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| {{cite book |editor1-last=Ging |editor1-first=Debbie |editor2-last=Siapera |editor2-first=Eugenia |title=Gender Hate Online: Understanding the New Anti-Feminism |date=2019 |publisher=Palgrave Macmillan |location=Cham |isbn=978-3-319-96226-9 |doi=10.1007/978-3-319-96226-9 |url=https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/book/10.1007/978-3-319-96226-9 |url-access=registration |via=]}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=O’Donnell |first1=Jessica |title=Gamergate and Anti-Feminism in the Digital Age |date=2022 |publisher=Palgrave Macmillan |location=Cham |isbn=978-3-031-14057-0 |pages=109–138 |doi=10.1007/978-3-031-14057-0_4 |chapter=The Militaristic Discourse of Anti-feminism |chapter-url=https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-14057-0_4 |chapter-url-access=registration |via=]}} |
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| {{cite book |last1=Ribieras |first1=Amélie |editor1-last=Carian |editor1-first=Emily K. |editor2-last=DiBranco |editor2-first=Alex |editor3-last=Ebin |editor3-first=Chelsea |title=Male Supremacism in the United States: From Patriarchal Traditionalism to Misogynist Incels and the Alt-Right |series=Routledge Studies in Fascism and the Far Right |date=2022 <!--|edition=1st--> |publisher=Routledge |location=London |isbn=978-1-0005-7622-1 |pages=67–93 |doi=10.4324/9781003164722 |chapter='I Want to Thank My Husband Fred for Letting Me Come Here,' or Phyllis Schlafly's Opportunistic Defense of Gender Hierarchy}} |
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== Excessive United States perspective == |
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==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment== |
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] This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ], ]. |
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{{small|Above undated message substituted from ] by ] (]) 14:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)}} |
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== Men's rights == |
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{{formerly|Biased to womens rights,totally neglecting mens rights}} |
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As in the reasoning section, only words of feminists and pro feminists had been taken into account,totally neglecting the voice of men's right activists, their reason for voicing against feminism. I have added some concepts that sees antifeminsm from men's right activists like divorce laws favoring women, women domestically abusing men seen as a lower crime,while complying with ] and ]. ] (]) 12:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for your efforts to bring this page closer to Misplaced Pages‘s normal standards of objectivity in representation of philosophical ideas. I think he might find this conversation/debate/exchange of mine with another editor interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:EvergreenFir (scroll down to “reversion of anti-feminism page“). ] (]) 06:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Misplaced Pages is written from a ]. This article is about antifeminism, not mens' rights - there are separate articles for that. –] (] '''·''' ]) 16:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::> Misplaced Pages is written from a ]. |
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::Misplaced Pages *should be* written from a ]. |
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::Uunfortunately due to left-wing agitators, it is not. ] (]) 18:23, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Revert == |
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Reverted removal of sourced content. –] (] ⋅ ]) 20:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
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I've just removed several references to US antifeminism for UNDUE. Looking through this article, I think it definitely skews to a US-centric perspective, although feminism is a global issue. <span style="color:#ef5224">]</span> (]) 12:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC) |
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There is no need for this article to contain offensive content. Stop reverting the edit please. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:28, 17 November 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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:] just because you find something offensive. If there is a better reason to remove the content feel free to discuss. –] (] '''·''' ]) 16:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== One editor's opinion == |
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== Men's rights movement == |
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{{Cot|one editor's perspective, but nothing to improve the article}} |
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This article reads like a hit-piece which seeks to criticize and invalidate views and perspectives the author does not agree with. |
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This has been inserted and removed and re-inserted in the lead; it probably ''should'' be covered in the article body, if only in a summary-style section linking to ], but it currently isn't. It'd be easy enough to cover - just a little bit summarizing ], with a toplink to that article. But where should it be placed in this article's structure? As a top-level subsection? Or does it fit into one of the existing subsections? -- ] (]) 21:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Feminism is chiefly a left-wing ideology that is disputed and contested by almost all conservative thinkers, and by large portions of the non white, English speaking world. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thank you for coming to the Talk page. You are wrong btw, it isn't a hit piece, and it isn't a left wing ideology. You need to have pretty strong sources to say something like that. -] ] 16:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::Why are you thanking me? Who are you? And feminism forms the core of most left-wing thought, and is widely disputed by both conservatives and Christians alike. ] (]) 16:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:::I'm Roxy the dog, it says so at the end of all my comments on talk pages like this >>>>>> -] ] 17:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:The men's rights movement was placed in the 21st century section so it is in the body, although I'm also not sure exactly where it should go because it originated in the 20th century. —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 22:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== In the mid and late 20th century antifeminists often opposed the right to abortion == |
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::Well, we could always move it to the 20th century. If we did that we might add a sentence about how it started in the 70's as a generally pro-feminist men's liberation movement and then split into pro- and anti-feminist strands (which is covered in the history section of its own article.) --] (]) 03:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Yep that sounds like a good idea. —<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 05:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Feminism infobox == |
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Are they really antifeminists in general, sounds more like Christian groups and I think most reliable sources would back that up. |
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In the feminism infobox in this article, in the sub-section "Opposition to feminism", I believe the "Pro-feminism" and "Protofeminism" do not belong there. Those are clearly pro feminist topics and not about opposition to the movement. I would edit it myself, but wanted to check first here if I'm missing something. I also don't know how to edit the infobox! It somehow appears fully empty for me. ] (]) 15:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Antifeminists were more opposed to things like no-fault divorce, child-support, false accusations, family courts, depiction of men in the media, etc. |
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:I believe that "Opposition to feminism" is bolded not because it is a section header but because it redirects to Antifeminism. Compare to the infobox on <nowiki>]</nowiki> ] ] 17:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Pretty strange those things aren't mentioned in the introduction, huh? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: None of this offers any justification for your ] behaviour. Don't do that. ] (]) 18:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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I've just removed several references to US antifeminism for UNDUE. Looking through this article, I think it definitely skews to a US-centric perspective, although feminism is a global issue. BrigadierG (talk) 12:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
In the feminism infobox in this article, in the sub-section "Opposition to feminism", I believe the "Pro-feminism" and "Protofeminism" do not belong there. Those are clearly pro feminist topics and not about opposition to the movement. I would edit it myself, but wanted to check first here if I'm missing something. I also don't know how to edit the infobox! It somehow appears fully empty for me. DuxCoverture (talk) 15:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)