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== Misinformation should not be there == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2024 == |
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User made absolutely no argument other then this person said no so I believe then instead. ] (]) 09:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC) |
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I agree this is absurd I represent a veteran research community with medical doctors and other related professionals. It is urgent continuously with overwhelming data that this is complete defamation an absolute misinformation on behalf of those who seek to eliminate the credible reputation of Dr PhD John Campbell. There’s absolutely no justification for any of the misleading comments such as this information false claims or any other related defamation currently posted on this very prestigious webpage. It is evidently false and rather insulting to anyone who knows the truth and anyone who doesn’t being misled. The editor of this sea of lies is the miss information corporate not Dr. John Campbell ] (]) 13:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:We go with what RS say, you are not an RS. ] (]) 13:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2022 (2)== |
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I'm suggesting a change to the description of ivernectin against COVID-19 as new research and papers have been released. One of which is: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/ ] (]) 22:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> not new, likely a crap analysis/crap data as per the from that journal's editor ] (]) 22:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::"This Expression of Concern does not imply that the methodology used by Mr. Andrew Bryant and his collaborators was incorrect. The use of summary data published by others is a generally accepted approach in biomedical metanalytic research" |
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"In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment." |
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::An expression of concern is not the "debunking" of a study. Not only that, your conclusion of "crap analysis/crap data" is unsubstantiated, versus the opinion of a systematic review and meta-analysis from multiple PHDs. You would have to provide better sources/substantiation as to why that study is moot. ] (]) 23:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:This is put in the top summary section as if a single video on a single treatment should define a long career including multiple years of creating youtube educational content. The significance of a single video in his larger body of work is miniscule and should not be promoted as his defining characteristic.] (]) 19:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:::We just say "no" and move on. The Misplaced Pages is not a platform for your antivaxxer agenda. ] (]) 00:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I could demonstrate the fallacy of this argument "well I am not saying you do eat dogs for breakfast, but it would be a question worth asking", is not a valid question and is ("pun" fully intended) dog-whistling. ] (]) 09:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:The reference is a violation of ]. It states "false claims" as if this were established facts and it uses the phrase "anti-parasitic drug ivermectin" implying that use of ivermectin in non-"anti-parasite" usages is somehow odd or unusual. For reference, Ivermectin has been studied as an anti-viral since at least 2012 <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22417684/</ref>. Clearly it is its use as an antiviral that is relevant, but the statement would be seen by most readers as mocking the idea of using ivermectin on viruses. |
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:The source provided is an unreliable source. See ] for more information. From this page, for medical references, "Ideal sources for biomedical assertions include general or systematic reviews in reliable, independent, published sources, such as reputable medical journals, widely recognised standard textbooks written by experts in a field, or medical guidelines and position statements from nationally or internationally reputable expert bodies. It is vital that the biomedical information in all types of articles be based on reliable, independent, published sources and accurately reflect current medical knowledge.". The source provided is a non-verified blog that contradicts a variety of medical references and should be considered a self-sourced work (]). The source makes the claim "the second, that old staple of conspiracy theorists and fake news peddlers - the anti-parasitic medicine ivermectin, which is has yet to be shown to be effective against COVID-19 in any reputable medical trial." with a reference supposedly supporting the "yet to be shown..." but links to a reference that does not seem to address this directly. This claim contradicts multiple medical papers, eg <ref>https://linklegal.net/covid/outros/2021_04-Ivermectina_en_COVID19-Hirsch&Carvallo-eBook.pdf</ref>, <ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304684#bib0013</ref>, <ref>https://www.diannalynnrobinson.com/site-backups/Controlled%20randomized%20clinical%20trial%20on%20using%20Ivermectin%20with%20Doxycycline%20for%20treating%20COVID-19%20patients%20in%20Baghdad,%20Iraq%20%7C%20medRxiv.html</ref>. Sensational self-contradictory self-publishing references should not be considered references for claims made by actual medical journal research papers even if they are loosely associated with organizations that have in other forums provided fact-checked and peer-reviewed works, especially when they are written with sensationalist and uncritical language.] (]) 19:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{not done}}. Per ], they are not for controversial changes that require consensus. See also ] regarding the ] you refer to. ] (]) 19:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2022 == |
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Please remove the following: |
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"In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment." |
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Change to "Campbell was accused of making false claims" |
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It contravenes ] in that “false” implies that he made claims knowing them to be untrue, which is opinionated an unproven. The source is opinionated and inadequately sourced; by a tweet which doesn’t validate it. ] |
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There does seem to be a consensus growing on this.] (]) 04:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{notdone}} Please establish consensus for an edit before using this template. ] (]) 05:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Claim of misinformation needs citation == |
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The claim made of Dr. John Campbell being guilty of wrongthink needs substantial corroborating evidence. ] (]) 23:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:That's the best referenced part of the article. ] (]) 09:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:Technically they are correct, none of our sources say he is "guilty of wrongthink". But we have cites for his claims being misinformation.] (]) 10:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC) |
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I entirely agree with due diligence, entirely agree ] (]) 14:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:With what, there is more than one person here. ] (]) 14:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Sources Please read American Journal of Theraupeutics 28, e434-460 (2021). == |
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Please read |
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This needs to be considered when examining this page. ] (]) 22:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:See ] regarding the snake oil. ] (]) 22:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:In particular see ]. ] (]) 22:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::Or, even more pertinently, see ] (]) 05:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Time for a FAQ? ] (]) 10:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Misplaced Pages is being bought into disrepute == |
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My edits on this page have been reverted : |
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== Is this article ] compliant? == |
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''Campbell has made repeatedly made false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment and allegedly spread misleading commentary about vaccine safety, '''though Dr Campbell is triple vaccinated and recommends vaccination to all those at significant risk from Covid'''. It is claimed Campbell wrongly asserted that deaths from COVID-19 have been over-counted '''though this does depend on the definition of a Covid death'''..'' |
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After scanning through the references I'm seeing a lot of Politifact, AFP FactCheck, Atlantic, Guardian, BBC, and so on, but not a lot of ] sources, which is arguably required for over half of this article. Perhaps ] is relevant here, but probably a lot of these references should be replaced with references to the medical research cited in each fact-check. The sources in the "Current Consensus" template at the top of this page are good examples. ] (]) 16:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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'''Both additions are cited.''' |
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:I think then issue is, that as nothing he says is, we do not really need any to refute it. ] (]) 16:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::Yes the sourcing is fine for what it is especially given the need for ], but there'd be no harm in 'pulling up' some of the underlying references assuming ] can be avoided. ] (]) 17:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Misinformation == |
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I am very saddened by this, it is the very worst of Misplaced Pages. Saying one cannot use the actual comment from the subject of the article, but only use a comment from some other site quoting the subject of the article is utterly ludicrous and basically certain editors are using esoteric Misplaced Pages rules to promote their own agenda. |
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Dr Campbell is triple vaccinated (fact 1), and he recommends vaccinations to all those at significant risk of Covid (fact 2). The article, and certainly the introduction, is implying Campbell is somehow anti-vax and is therefore inaccurate. |
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I will accept alteration of my edits provided that the form of words used still makes clear Campbell is in favour of vaccination. |
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--] (]) 15:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:It does not matter if both edits were cited, they need to be cited to ], one of your sources does not even mention (so violated either ] or ], and maybe both). Edits must obey our policies (as must talk page comments). ] (]) 15:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC) |
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easally claimed! But Come with specific examples! ] (]) 12:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::Yes. And in fact Campbell said he now didn't think the vaccine was safe in one of his recent videos. Basically, it's all about courting loonies for money and his repeatedly grift has been document by reliable sources which Misplaced Pages faithfully mirrors, per core policy. The OP must not insert daft personal musings into Misplaced Pages and should be aware repeated disruption like that will get them banned, as it's that kind of damage which actually "brings Misplaced Pages into disrepute". ] (]) 15:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:There are in the article. ] (]) 12:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::No, using terms like "courting loonies" proves you are indeed pushing your own agenda by using obscure rules to delete provable facts that disagree with the narrative you want to push. Banning me, after 16 years editing Misplaced Pages, might be doing me a favour anyway, it takes up so much time. I will only accept an edit that acknowledges that Campbell cannot be "anti vax" because he is triple vaccinated. ] (]) 15:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC) |
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After scanning through the references I'm seeing a lot of Politifact, AFP FactCheck, Atlantic, Guardian, BBC, and so on, but not a lot of WP:MEDRS sources, which is arguably required for over half of this article. Perhaps WP:PARITY is relevant here, but probably a lot of these references should be replaced with references to the medical research cited in each fact-check. The sources in the "Current Consensus" template at the top of this page are good examples. 0xchase (talk) 16:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Not done: not new, likely a crap analysis/crap data as per the Expression of Concern from that journal's editor Cannolis (talk) 22:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)