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*] - how should the article handle Coulter's comments on Canadian television in which she claimed that Canada sent troops to Vietnam? Should a C-SPAN interview in which Coulter admitted being wrong about this be referred to in the article? Should a TIME Magazine article that mentioned the controversy be referred to and/or a FAIR report on TIME's article? See ] 07:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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Are AI-generated images (generated via text prompts, see also: ]) okay to use to depict BLP subjects? The ] example was mentioned in the opening paragraph. The image was created using ], {{tq|a text-to-image model developed by xAI, to generate images...As with other text-to-image models, Aurora generates images from natural language descriptions, called prompts.}} ]]] ] (]) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)}}
*] Please comment on dispute involving link placement in Zodic killer entry. 18:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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It's been three years since the ] in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a ] so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture ''or'' of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: {{ping|Chieharumachi}}, {{ping|Crisantom}}, {{ping|Object404}}, {{ping|Unilimited247}}, {{ping|Lochglasgowstrathyre}} ] (]) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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'''Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi'''{{Efn|{{langx|ar|عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي}}}} (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, ],<ref name="dictator">
*] - An editor who has made considerable contributions to the page now seems to be unwilling to accept a copyedited form of the article which removes several unsourced criticisms and comments about the subject's sister. 19:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator:
* Illinois Congressman Peter Roskam belongs to a contoversial breakaway sect of the Episcopal church known for its anti-gay views, and headed by a controversial leader who wants to imprison gays. How much of this church's stances should be included in the article? - 11:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
{{bulleted list|{{Cite news |title=Egypt’s rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous |url=https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/10/03/egypts-rushed-election-shows-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-is-nervous |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613 |quote="Last month Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt’s military dictator..."}}|{{Cite web |last=Dunne |first=Michele |date=2019-04-08 |title=Why Is Trump Helping Egypt’s Dictator Entrench His Power? |url=https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/donald-trump-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-egypt-226579/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO Magazine |language=en}}
* ] - to my mind, this is not neutrally written, and there are many citation needed tags, as well as disputes. I have added a {{tl|totallydisputed}} tag, but it keeps being taken off by ]. I suppose I should also note that Jimbo Wales has already spotted this (it's how I found out about it), and he has written "No, it seems extremely biased to me. It looks like a legitimate topic, but as written now, it's a bit horrible". Now I'm not cowtowing to him as a God-king or anything, but I agree. 06:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
|{{Cite web |title=President Trump, Condemn This Sham Egyptian Election {{!}} The Washington Institute |url=https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/president-trump-condemn-sham-egyptian-election |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=www.washingtoninstitute.org |language=en |quote="...issued a statement praising the Egyptian dictator's magnificent work for the country"}}
|{{Cite news |title=A Blank Check for Egypt's Dictator |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-26/u-dot-s-dot-gives-egypts-dictator-a-blank-check?embedded-checkout=false |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=Bloomberg.com |language=en}}
|{{Cite web |last=Toosi |first=Nahal |date=2021-07-12 |title=In D.C. visit, Egypt spy boss claims U.S. agreed — in writing — to jail American activist |url=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/egypt-spy-boss-jail-american-498983 |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO |language=en |quote="...Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian dictator who has imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents."}}{{Cite web |last=Lawler |first=Dave |date=2019-04-23 |title=Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi could rule until 2030 after winning referendum |url=https://www.axios.com/2019/04/23/sisi-referendum-rule-egypt-2030-constitution |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Axios |language=en |quote="He has now cemented his status as Egypt's dictator without losing his position as a U.S. ally."}}
|{{Cite web |last=Greenwald |first=Glenn |date=2015-03-31 |title=Obama Personally Tells the Egyptian Dictator That U.S. Will Again Send Weapons (and Cash) to His Regime |url=https://theintercept.com/2015/03/31/obama-lifts-freeze-weapons-transfer-egyptian-dictator/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=The Intercept |language=en-US}}
|{{Cite web |last=Williams |first=Jennifer |date=2017-04-03 |title=Egypt’s president is a bloodthirsty dictator. Trump thinks he’s done a “fantastic job.” |url=https://www.vox.com/world/2017/4/3/15160358/trump-egypt-abdel-fattah-el-sisi-white-house |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Vox |language=en-US}}|{{Cite news |date=2020-12-01 |title=Egypt President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi: Ruler with an iron grip |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730 |access-date=2024-11-22 |work=BBC News |language=en-GB}}|{{Cite news |title=Egypt is again under military rule, but Sisi lacks Nasser's appeal |url=https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal |access-date=2024-11-25 |url-access=subscription|work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613|archive-url=https://archive.today/2021.08.26-144020/https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal|archive-date=2021-08-26|url-status=live}}|{{Citation |last=Grewal |first=Sharan |title=Egypt: A Coup against Democracy |date=2023-07-25 |work=Soldiers of Democracy? |pages=136–176 |url=https://academic.oup.com/book/46755/chapter-abstract/414394851?redirectedFrom=fulltext |access-date=2024-11-25 |publisher=Oxford University PressOxford |doi=10.1093/oso/9780192873910.003.0007 |isbn=0-19-287391-1}}|{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}}}</ref> and retired military officer who has been serving as the ] and current ] since 2014.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}</ref>


(The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place)
*] &mdash; Akon is a Senegalese-American singer, and in some interviews he has claimed his name is Aliaune Damala Bouga Time Puru Nacka Lu Lu Lu Badara Akon Thiam. However, some users claim that is either nonsense or profanity in ] and can't be his name, but we can't find a ref saying that. Plus, he said it himself. What should we do? Right now I put in a questionable source saying his name is "Alioune Badara Thiam", which most commenters say is a more believable Senegalese name. --] 23:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:
*] &mdash; the article's a bit of a mess, but there seems to be disagreement concerning what counts as PoV language and content (and what counts as copyvio). 14:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''A.''' Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of ], ], ], ]
*'''B.''' No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of ], ], ], ]
*'''C.''' No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead.
*'''D. ''' No he should not be, and he should '''not''' be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body.
*'''E.''' Other (please elaborate)
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*] - should the reference to Kiri Jewell contain unsourced allegations of perjury to Congress? 13:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
* ] ] is using this article to defame a current ESPN personality. I have attempted to clean up the article, put in various references, but I believe the user should be censured in some manner. 04:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


''Due to his considerable influence over American government policy, politics, media, industry, and public discourse, some academics and politicians have characterized Musk as an American oligarch.</small>
* ] - should she be described as a "self-proclaimed medium" or as a medium at all? What does the word "medium" mean? You decide! 06:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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Does this addition have any support? Are there any other suggestions? (Some editors have argued that Musk should directly be referred to as an oligarch in the lead. I now agree with those that oppose doing so per ].)
*] ] has recently broken the three strikes reversion rule, and has been generally editing the article considerably without any discussion. 23:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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*] Dispute about the article's lead. 23:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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*] Someone wants to use a petition from petitiononline (with 200 signatures) to show that listeners/fans don't like this radio co-host. ] We're having a dispute.01:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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The current lead contains a simple mention of Trumpism. Should a brief description be added to this mention? A proposed wording for the added text, which is also up for debate here: {{tq|characterized by ], "]" nationalism, and economic ].}} — ] (]) 04:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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Should the article about the ] contain a section about the "Association to Tulsi Gabbard and her family"?<br>Should it say that "Tulsi Gabbard has since distanced herself from SIF"?


* '''A:''' Yes to both
*] I have added statements given by Natasha Khan in interviews to UK newspapers (e.g. growing up in Hertfordshire) and added her to the British Singers category. Mel Ettis has reverted my edits twice. I feel that as I have provided verifiable cites to interviews in British newspapers my edits regarding growing up in Hertfordshire are definitely acceptable, and that adding her to British singers is a reasonable assumption and in line with a fair amount of media portrayal as such. Discussion in the Talk page is in my opinion going nowhere. ] 10:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
* '''B:''' Yes to the first question, no to the second one
* '''C:''' No to both


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*] There are many things at ] talk page that I have a hard time including in the article.--] 05:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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*]; ]. There is a dispute as to whether the is a NPOV dispute. One editor has placed a tag asserting that the NPOV of this article is disputed; at least three other editors, including an administrator has at one point objected to the adding of the tag. As of the post of this RfC, there is at least one clear objector to the placing of the tag. Comments are welcome. -] 01:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

*] I am trying to start a discussion of removing the articles - ] and ] - any comments about the reasons for the articles, reasons for removal, pros and cons of having such overlapping articles would be apprecitated there: ]. Thanks.-16:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
*] This is a dispute about whether the source provided for meets the burden of proof required by the Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines ], ], and ] to support the claim that the drawing was created by Ward Churchill. The uploader of the image is a Wikipedian who claims to have obtained the image directly from the artist, but provides no evidence that the image has been published by a reliable source nor provides any way verify the claim as to the authorship of the work. 05:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

*] and ]. There has been a content dispute on this article page for quite some time. A temporary consensus was reached in December, although it appears to have broken down now. Assistance is requested. ] 05:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

* ]. One of the original members of the Bachelors (Con Cluskey) has started editing the page. I have reverted some of his entries - specifically in the section headed “The Split and Beyond,” but Con Cluskey has changed the section back - however his re-writes have not been consistently the same information. I have left a message on his user page and further comments can be read on the talk page of the article. An independent review of the situation would be much appreciated. --] 23:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

* ] This is a request for comments on two issues in the Robert Latimer article:
# Should the article state that Tracey Latimer was in incurable, excruciating and almost unrelenting pain, or should it state that Robert Latimer believed she was in incurable, excruciating and almost unrelenting pain?
# Should the article describe the killing of Tracey Latimer as a mercy killing, or should it state that Latimer and his supporters consider it to be a mercy killing. 22:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

* ] -- Reversion by ] of ]'s edits to the entry. POV dispute. Should Hamsher's entry contain information on lawsuits regarding movies she worked on, including lawsuits which were not filed against Hamsher herself, all of which were (apparently) dismissed? POV problems were first raised ], and then edits were made and summarized ]. Those edits have since been reverted, and debate has ensued. The parties involved have been unable to resolve the dispute. 19:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

*] - A disagreement over whether to include the person's date of birth in the article. 04:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

* ] Debate over whether it is appropriate to call ] a terrorist.02:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

<s>*] - A disagreement between ] and ] whether the article should be moved to ] or not. The disagreement centers on what constitutes most basisi for ]. ] argues that biographical sources and historical literature should be given preference when determining common names. ] argues that taxonomic literature determine most common name.--] 18:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)</s>

*] Revert war etc. ostensibly over whether he can be called a rabbi. Multiple re-inclusion of unsourced negative claims. Now at the stage where some editors won't let others make any edits to the page. (It's been going on since the article started, but maybe the last 2 sections or so are relevant now.)17:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
*] - It appears probable that the subject of the article has been editing it (see ]). I have reinstated some well referenced statements which were removed; and left other removed sections out. Any comments or actions by others to ensure compliance with Misplaced Pages's norms would be welcome. 03:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
*<s>] - The main contributor has admitted original research. Article has been tagged before for speedy deletion several times for original research and advert. Please have a look to see if the article is salvageable. See ] for more. 21:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)</s>
*] - Whether or not to include ], in which article subject is mentioned, in the See also section at article on ] ]. 19:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

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Are AI-generated images (generated via text prompts, see also: text-to-image model) okay to use to depict BLP subjects? The Laurence Boccolini example was mentioned in the opening paragraph. The image was created using Grok / Aurora, a text-to-image model developed by xAI, to generate images...As with other text-to-image models, Aurora generates images from natural language descriptions, called prompts.
AI-generated image of Laurence Boccolini
Some1 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Imelda Marcos

It's been three years since the last discussion was held in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a cropped close up so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture or of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: @Chieharumachi:, @Crisantom:, @Object404:, @Unilimited247:, @Lochglasgowstrathyre: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Abdel Fattah el-Sisi

The opening to the Abdel Fattah el-Sisi article read:

Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, dictator, and retired military officer who has been serving as the sixth and current president of Egypt since 2014.

(The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place)

Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:

  • A. Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Kim Jong Un, Hafez al Assad, Pinochet
  • B. No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Mohammed bin Salman, Ilham Aliyev, Isaias Afwerki
  • C. No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead.
  • D. No he should not be, and he should not be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body.
  • E. Other (please elaborate)

Firecat93 (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Squad (U.S. Congress)

Should the Squad be described in the article as "far left?" TFD (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Elon Musk

Musk is the wealthiest person in the world. He has been described as an oligarch by prominent commentators, academics, and experts.

Should a variant of the following sentence be included in the lead?

Due to his considerable influence over American government policy, politics, media, industry, and public discourse, some academics and politicians have characterized Musk as an American oligarch.

Does this addition have any support? Are there any other suggestions? (Some editors have argued that Musk should directly be referred to as an oligarch in the lead. I now agree with those that oppose doing so per WP:UNDUE.) Firecat93 (talk) 08:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Taylor Lorenz

What is the appropriate due coverage of the comments Lorenz made about the murder of Brian Thompson and the controversy surrounding them? See details and sources in the previous discussion here.
  1. Whole section (2+ paragraphs)
  2. Whole paragraph (3-6 sentences)
  3. Short mention (1-2 sentences)
  4. No mention

Vegan416 (talk) 19:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi)

Should the article include the guard’s actions (grabbing the camera lens and touching Hersant’s shoulder) and the court’s findings regarding Sewell’s claims on racial motivation and self-defence?

Evoren (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

The current lead contains a simple mention of Trumpism. Should a brief description be added to this mention? A proposed wording for the added text, which is also up for debate here: characterized by right-wing populism, "America First" nationalism, and economic protectionism. — Goszei (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Science of Identity Foundation

Should the article about the Science of Identity Foundation contain a section about the "Association to Tulsi Gabbard and her family"?
Should it say that "Tulsi Gabbard has since distanced herself from SIF"?
  • A: Yes to both
  • B: Yes to the first question, no to the second one
  • C: No to both

~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


  1. Arabic: عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي
  1. Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator:
  2. "EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' | Human Rights Watch". 2024-03-15. Retrieved 2024-12-14.
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