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== Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for 2024 are open! ==
== Rewriting article about Reserve officer training in Russia ==
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I would like to rewrite the article ]. This article is devoted to training reserve officers in Russia but it doesn't contain the description of process of training at all. I've created 2 new articles (] and ]), using the most of information presented in the article ]. Please check out my new articles and also the subsection "The problem with interwiki links" in Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2022/02 where I described the problem with English, Russian and Belarusian articles devoted to the process of military education in civilian universities and to an organizational structures conducting such training. ] (]) 09:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. In addition to the Military historian of the year, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate a promising newcomer that they feel deserves a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months for the ]. The award is open to any editor who has become active in military history articles in the last 12 months.
I've finished rewriting of the article ]. Please take a look at this. Now the article describes the process of military training itself. But I would like to remove the section "List of Russian civilian institutions of higher education having military training centers", and I will do when the article ] has been accepted, because this list organically looks in new article but not in aforementioned one. ] (]) 19:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


Like the Military Historian of the Year, the nomination process will begin at 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November 2024. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period will commence on 00:01 1 December 2024 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2024, the top editor will be awarded the Gold Wiki; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.
== Virginia units needing disambiguation ==


Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self-nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! On behalf of all the coordinators, ] ] 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Looks like there are a good number of similarly named Revolutionary War and ACW units from Virginia without any disambiguation or hatnotes. Using the "1st Virginia Regiment" as an example:
*], a Continental Army infantry regiment
*], a state infantry regiment
*], a ACW infantry regiment
*], a ACW cavalry regiment
:and we could also include
*], a ACW infantry unit


#{{user|CommissarDoggo}}: A new joiner to the project this year, their work includes bringing the American VC winner ] to GA and expanding ] from stub to B class. ] (]) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Seems like we need dab pages and hatnotes. Presuming all of these names are consistent with ] and other naming conventions and prior consensus, we could keep the continental units as ] and create dab pages with (disambiguation) qualifiers to link to in hatnotes. Probably other states have similar issues, but let's start here. There are also some West Virginia ACW units that will be in the mix due to their names prior to statehood.
#{{user|Matarisvan}}: Significant additions to Indian military history, a notoriously difficult topic on Misplaced Pages - they have also since been voted a coordinator of the WikiProject. ] (]) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
#{{user|Klutserke}}: Second World War naval history, including the significant expansion and re-writing of ] and the creation of articles including ]. ] (]) 21:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
#{{user|Wahreit}}: Can I nominate Wahreit for extensive editing to ] articles like the ] and the ]. He joined Misplaced Pages in April 2024 and has done good work from the beginning. Oh and plus 25k to ] ] (]) 00:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


=== Voting===
Thoughts? ] (]) 02:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Nominations for this year's "military history newcomer of the year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.
: At least to me, it looks like the cavalry regiment and the battalion are fine as is, since the titles are naturally disambiguated. The "1st Virginia State Regiment" does appear to be known as that to distinguish from the other Continental unit, see among other things. I do think that the ] and ] do need dabbing though. This situation is not unique to Virginia - there's also ] (ARW) vs ] (ACW) (as well as the ]), and similar situations also exist for all of the other 13 colonies. Maryland is especially fun, because you have ], ], ], and ]. For distinguishing between ACW and ARW units where there is no primary topic, I'm not sure if dabbing by army or by war is the better option. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 03:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, we at least need some hatnotes. I do think dab pages would be best, as all of the examples above except the battalion article are a "1st Virginia Regiment", even if naturally disambiguated. One could even argue we should have dab pages such as ], since units are often referred to by these short names (e.g. ]), which would encompass all of the military units and probably bring in other things like ] (though perhaps most of these non-military uses wouldn't be referred to as just " " and run afoul of ]). I was thinking of congressional districts too, but these are usually or and not the former. But, I can't find any examples of such pages, so it seems like existing consensus is to defer to search results, which is probably best as we'd be talking about ''a lot'' of dab pages. ] (]) 04:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
:::My instinct is maybe ] and ] or something like that. The state one is probably fine as-is, as I'm not seeing that the others are ever known with "state" in the title. Unless there's a lot of non-military uses of "1st Virginia" (I don't think the assembly is ever known as "1st Virginia" alone, and the congressional districts are known as "Virginia's 1st" or "VA-1", the dab page would be at ] and could be linked as a hatnote for all 5 units. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 22:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
::::I think for now, I will slowly work on creating dab pages at Regiment (disambiguation) for use in hatnotes as appropriate, leaving natural disambiguation in place for the titles (unless there are any glaring issues that come up). This would at least be an improvement over the status quo. The ARW articles aren't really primary over the ACW articles, but I don't think typical volunteer infantry regiments in the ACW were referred to as, for example, "1st Virginia Regiment" very often (except in contexts where this would be unambiguous), whereas use of other shorthand combinations of the full name like "1st Virginia", "1st Virginia Volunteers", and "1st Virginia Infantry" were more commonplace. So I think for now we should favor natural disambig until it is shown that parenthetical disambig would be better, unless there are objections. ] (]) 02:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


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== Medal of Honor Recipients ==


All project members are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.
I have been doing extensive work on Civil War Medal of Honor recipients and I have noticed some problems. For example, I finished the T-Z sorting page and I found that a link that was blue actually linked to a different person and not the medal recipient it should have been. Later whilst looking around the A-F article, I noticed 3-4 blue links that linked back to the A-F page. I want to know if there is a way to find out how many of these false blue links there are and how widespread this issue is. Thanks in advance, ] (]) 13:29, 4 March 2022 (UTC).
:Assuming I didn't mess up my regexes along the way, ] should now show a table containing every linked person from those lists where the link is not the trivial case of "Link Firstname Lastname to a Misplaced Pages article entitled Firstname Lastname. The first column of the table is the link as it appears in the MH tables, the second column is the combined Firstname Lastname as used for sorting those tables, and the third column is the manually modified link for that entry. The items you want to find should be entries where the third column is neither "{{tq|dab=''something''}}" nor something that is obviously correct for the name, such as "{{tq|John Smith (Medal of Honor)}}". No warranty that I didn't mess the parsing, tho. To find cases where the entry for "John Smith" links to a ''wrong'' John Smith, I don't think there's any way of automating that. So you'd just have to manually go through the original tables for that. -] (]) 06:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
::One of our editors most devoted to MOH recipients was the now banned User:Kumioko. I acquired ] from him. It may be somewhat useful. ] (]) 19:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, ] ] 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
== ] ==
====CommissarDoggo====


# <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> (]<big>·</big>]<big>·</big>]) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span>
I thought this was an inspiring article, for all sorts of reasons and wondered if there has been any subproject or contest by this group to gather war images by country/battle/artist/museum? My focus is generally paintings, but old photographs are equally fascinating (mostly because they were such a production to do in situ). Thanks for tips about WP article category trees or Commons category trees. ] (]) 10:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
# ] (]) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 05:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 16:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 13:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


====Klutserke====
== ] ==
Can anyone suggest a source for "Edmonds died on 2 August 1956 at Brecon House, Sherborne, Dorset, after a brief illness." please. ] (]) 10:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC) # ] (]) 11:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
: I don't know about the "brief illness", but all the rest is in his Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry ] ] 11:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
# ] (]) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
: Nothing in ? It probably contains biographical information, but unfortunately I can only see a few pages. ] 11:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks I have a copy, It's my main source for the article but it ends when he retires (it's Green's PhD thesis). Some sections are all over the place so I might find a decent cite as I plug away but I'm not optimistic. Regards ] (]) 11:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
:::It's the sort of thing that would be in a ''Times'' etc obit, wouldn't it? Do you have access to ]? ] might have one. ] 12:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


====Matarisvan====
== Nice war overview templates? ==
# ] (]) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] ] 04:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 07:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 11:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 19:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# - ] (]) 01:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] <sub> '']''</sub> 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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====Wahreit====
Hi! I want to make an overview template of the ] to place at the bottom of articles (listing battles, major operations, and other miscellaneous articles) and I was wondering if there were any that would be good references to base my work on. Thanks! ] &#8258; ] 21:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
# ] (]) 11:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 13:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


== Nominations for military historian of the year for 2024 are open! ==
== ] and "cope cages" ==
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File:Destruction of Russian tanks by Ukrainian troops in Mariupol (3).jpg|This is a "cope cage".
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Can we get some additional eyes on ] to watch for disruptive editing from new editors? There's been a lot of nonsense edits due to the ongoing ], likely due to a popular twitter trend (, , , , ) among those who follow ] circles.


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For context, during the invasion it was observed that the Russian military has attached makeshift, improvised slat armour made from steel grilles above the turrets of their T-72s and T-90s to protect against top-down missile attacks, however because these improvised countermeasures have proven to be ineffective against Javelins and NLAWs, they've been commonly and humourously dubbed "cope cages". All of this is factual, well-documented and sourced (e.g. and ), and I don't have an issue with ''that''. The ''problem'' is that every 14 year old kid who browses OSINT threads on twitter now thinks that it's funny to change the lead paragraph so that it reads "Cope cage is a type of vehicle armor designed to protect against..." or something along those lines.
<div style="text-align: center;"><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:2.50em; font-weight: bold; width:100%; height: 100px; line-height: 50px; font-weight: bold; font-family: helvetica, impact, sans-serif; text-decoration: none; "><span style="color:#6e98c2">Military historian</span> ] <span style="color:#6e98c2">of the year 2024</span></span></div>


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To clarify, a "cope cage" is a specific subset ''type'' of improvised ] specifically mounted to the top of the turret; ''not all slat armors are cope cages'' (more often than not, slat armour is put around the skirts of the hull, and anywhere the crew might reside), so the disruptive meme edits don't make sense from a factual standpoint. --]<sub>]•]•]</sub> 08:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Image:Goldenwiki 2.png|''First place''
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As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. As part of the first step to determining this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate those that they feel deserve a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months.
== Pakistani medals ==


The nomination process will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period of will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 1 December during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 on 30 December, the top three editors will be awarded the Gold, Silver and Bronze Wiki respectively; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.
Can I have an opinion as to whether being posthumously awarded the ] is sufficient for notability? ] (]) 18:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
:] has been depreciated, so it comes down to whether sources on each individual recipient are sufficient to meet ]. ] (]) 07:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
::In general sense only, it is uncommon for a recipient of a second tier non-operational gallantry award to have sufficient coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject to meet the notability guidelines. The key would be to look for sources and assess it that way. ] (]) 13:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, ] ] 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
== ] favour please ==


# {{user|noclador}}: Since 2005 has been working mainly on articles about the Italian Army. In 2023 started a project to write articles for all the Italian Army units active after WWII. Since August 2023 noclador has brought to B-class 298 articles about units of the Italian Army, of which 289 were created from scratch. Created 145 articles in 2023 and 2024. ] ] 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
] has the image of an inside page of OH 1914 I. Does anyone know how to do the same thing with the image of the OH in the infobox (page 11 of the volume) in the Edmonds article? I've had a stab and got nowhere. The red cover is a very nice red but I'd rather it showed page 11. Thanks ] (]) 14:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
# {{user|MSGJ}}: Has worked on our ] and the ] ] and ] to implement changes required for our A-class reviews. ] ] 19:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|Keith-264}} Are you the ]? ] 16:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
::I would be if was good enough; I'm having a 90s trance revival at the moment. ;O) Thanks for the edit, much appreciated. Regards ] (]) 16:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC) #:Thanks. A barn star would be appreciated but this nomination ... seems excessive &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 13:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
# {{user|Zawed}}: Another year, another seemingly endless quantity of New Zealand-related articles. From the Second World War and articles such as ], to the 1869 ], Zawed consistently produces a variety of high quality content. ] (]) 21:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:I think I've done this before, see ] for an example. ] (] / ]) 16:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
# {{user|Donner60}} - for extensive behind-the-scenes work as a coordinator, especially their tireless work with the assessment process. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 15:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
# {{user|Pickersgill-Cunliffe}} - prodigious output of articles relating to British naval ships, e.g. ] and personalities, and also heavily involved in reviewing articles. ] (]) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
# {{user|Hog Farm}} - another editor with a strong article output, this time relating mostly to the US Civil war, e.g. ]. ] (]) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
# {{user|Hawkeye7}} - yet another editor with tremendous output, particularly in military logistics e.g. ]. Does a lot of backroom stuff for the project. ] (]) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
# {{user|Simongraham}} - works away on naval ships, with many articles created and taken up to GA, e.g. ]. ] (]) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)


===Voting===
== Warning of doxxing of Misplaced Pages editors seen as opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ==


Nominations for this year's "Military History Newcomer of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.
Editors working on topics relating to the ] should read post by Maggie Dennis, the Wikimedia Foundation's Vice President of Community Resilience & Sustainability. It discusses "an effort ... being made to identify Misplaced Pages editors whose activities are seen as opposing the Russian narrative of the war". See also ]. ] (]) 10:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Evidence? ] (]) 11:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
::. Doxxing was done on Telegram. -] (]) 13:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Mark Bernshtein, Wiki-activist, was detained in ]. He is accused of the "spread of anti-Russian materials". We discussed this here ]. ] (]) 14:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to the nominee's section below. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.
* Misplaced Pages's coverage should be neutral and not pro to either side, not simply non-pro Ukrainian / anti-Russian. ] (]) 17:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
*:That's not how ] works. Neutral is "neutral according to the best sources". ] (] / ]) 18:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
::* Fine, I gave a simple explanation, not implied anything counter to WP:NPOV. Regards, ] (]) 18:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:::*The issue is that editors are being targeted/at real risk of being targeted for posting material that runs counter to Russian propaganda. ] (]) 22:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
::::: Understood, though I did not comment on it. ] (]) 22:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Russian law punishes anyone who calls the war anything other than a "special operation" and spreads "misinformation" about the topic with up to 15 years in prison. In the past people have ended up in prison for far less (posting memes).--] (]) 23:29, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
==Merger discussion for ]==
] An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;]&mdash;has been '''proposed for ]''' with another article. If you are interested, please participate in ]. Thank you. ] (]) 20:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)


All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.
== ] ==


Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, ] ] 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Please comment on how the infobox might be reduced to better serve our readers. ] (]) 11:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


====Donner60====
:{{u|Cinderella157}} at this point I feel like I want to make a "this user believes the size of infoboxes in military conflicts over time trends towards infinity". Too many damn infobox-articles! ] &#8258; ] 19:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
# ] ] 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 15:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] <sub> '']''</sub> 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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====Hawkeye7====
== ''Staffel'' strength ==
# ] (]) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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====Hog Farm====
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# <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> (]<big>·</big>]<big>·</big>]) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span>
There is some confusion regarding the strength of ''Staffeln'' in Nazi Germany's air force. Can someone with access to relevant sources please help sort it out? The ] article and similarly the section ] say without references that a ''Staffel'' consisted of nine to twelve planes and was subdivided into three ''Schwärme'' of four to six planes. That can't both be true since three times four to six planes would be twelve to 18 planes. The ] says they had three ''Schwärme'' of four fighters or four ''Ketten'' of three bombers; the ] says that a Staffel consisted of three to four ''Ketten'' which would yield the result of nine to twelve planes for bombers. The German source (which I cannot access) is {{cite book|author=Ulf Balke |title=Der Luftkrieg in Europa 1939–1941 |publisher=Bechtermünz Verlag |location=Augsburg |year=1998 |ISBN=3-86047-591-6 |pages=25-26 |language=de}} I also found a photo of three ''Staffeln'' of nine planes each flying in parade formation in 1937; I would assume that on parade they'd be at full strength, and to me those planes don't look like fighters, but I'm not enough of an expert to be sure. It seems likely that our description is correct for fighters, but for bombers it should be three to four ''Ketten'' of three bombers each, not three ''Schwärme'' of six bombers each. ] (]) 23:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
# ] (]) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Huon}} ; with ; taken from ; seems to support the first option (9 planes or thereabouts). ] (] / ]) 02:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
# ] (]) 19:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


====MSGJ====
== Holbeach Air Weapons Range or RAF Holbeach? ==
# ] ] 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 14:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


====Noclador====
Dear all, at ] {{u|Nightsturm}} and I are reaching an impasse. There's been an air weapons range at RAF Sutton Bridge, now Holbeach, for decades. In 2006 the Defence Training Estate took control of all RAF (Strike Command?) air weapons ranges. Later DTE was folded into the new ]. I found the listing of all the AWRs (actually on the Holbeach article, where Nightsturm had helpfully collected the list) and because they no longer appeared to be under RAF control, and because a previous user had tried to change the page title, I moved the page to ] (simplifying the clumsy full DIO title "DIO Holbeach AWR.")
# ] (]) 19:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 12:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 17:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 14:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


====Pickersgill-Cunliffe====
Both Nightsturm and I have collected a number of official documents accessible on the web which use '''both''' designations. Nightsturm has helpfully located ] photos of the main gate sign(s) which on the left of the entrance say RAF Holbeach; and the right of the entrance say DIO Holbeach AWR!!
# ] ] 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] <sub> '']''</sub> 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


====Simongraham====
It appear to me that this is virtually a tie: different groups of people use both designations at different times for different reasons!!
# ] (]) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


====Zawed====
Which title should be the article be at? Please give third opinions at ]. Please {{u|Nightsturm}} if you have anything to add, or if you are concerned about the way this post has been worded, you are warmly invited to comment.
# ] (]) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 11:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
# ] (]) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== Help needed for draft ==
Kind regards ] ] 06:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I am currently working on a ], may I ask if anyone has any feedback or extra third-party sources on the unit?

Also the article already ]. ] (]) 07:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

== AJ3 Tiger? ==

about the ] mentions some firefighting aircraft, the last of which is described as "an AJ3 Tiger, a post war navy bomber". I'm baffled what that might be - neither the ] nor ] (originally A3J) seem likely. Does anywhere here have any clues? ] (]) 04:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
: The only references to "AJ3 Tiger" I'm finding on the Internet appear to originate with that newspaper article, so I think it's probably an error in the original reporting. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 04:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:: I'd suspect it was a ], as several were used as water bombers by AJ Air Tankers, first flying missions during 1961. "AJ Tanker" could easily be corrupted into "AJ Tiger" depending on the quality of the draft writing, with the 3 coming from a scribbled AJ-2? - ] <sub>]</sub> 05:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Pi.1415926535}} And looking at this more - seeing as the source describes it as "a post-war navy bomber", it's all but certain that yeah, it's a North American AJ Savage! - ] <sub>]</sub> 05:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::* Good deal. That seems much more likely for a ''post''-war bomber to be in use around 1961. ] (]) 05:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::*:@]@]@]: Thank you all for your help! That seems very likely indeed. ] (]) 02:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for ] ==
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 23:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for ] ==
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 04:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== The state of A-Class Review ==

Based on ], the project has 23 promoted A-Class articles so far in 2024, with only a few days left in the year. ] lists 33, ] had 48, ] had 61 if I counted right, and ] had 84. Part of this is just less nominating (I imagine the 2020 total is partially driven by all of the extra time a lot of us had during the COVID shutdowns), but this trend is a bit concerning. The robust A-Class has been a calling card of our WikiProject for years, and is a big part of why our project has historically been a leader in producing high-quality content.

I think at least part of this has been due to a decline in reviews - ACRs are often staying open for longer than in the past - I know that's caused me to skip ACR on a couple articles, and I imagine that's a factor for other potential nominators as well. This process has a strong peer-review value, especially for future FAC candidates. It's especially helpful to get subject-matter experts looking those articles over before a FAC. I know I've been remiss with my A-Class reviewing this past year, but I'm going to remedy that if my spare time holds up like I think it well for the next couple months. We've currently got an American admiral from both World Wars, a Cold War-era missile engine project, an early-20th century German warship, a battle from the Mongol conquests of the 13th century, a late-20th century radar system, and an American warship from the Civil War. It would be nice if A-Class could make a bounce-back in 2025. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 20:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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    Talk:Battle of the Java Sea#Recent edits changing scope of article

    An editor has effectively changed to scope of the article by incorporating subsequent engagements (with their own stand-alone articles) as being part of this battle. Further input would be welcome. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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    Good article reassessment for 1st Brigade, 7th Infantry Division (United States)

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    Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for 2024 are open!

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    As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. In addition to the Military historian of the year, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate a promising newcomer that they feel deserves a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months for the Military history newcomer of the year award. The award is open to any editor who has become active in military history articles in the last 12 months.

    Like the Military Historian of the Year, the nomination process will begin at 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November 2024. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period will commence on 00:01 1 December 2024 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2024, the top editor will be awarded the Gold Wiki; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

    Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self-nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! On behalf of all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

    1. CommissarDoggo (talk · contribs): A new joiner to the project this year, their work includes bringing the American VC winner William Henry Harrison Seeley to GA and expanding Michael Wettlaufer from stub to B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Matarisvan (talk · contribs): Significant additions to Indian military history, a notoriously difficult topic on Misplaced Pages - they have also since been voted a coordinator of the WikiProject. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. Klutserke (talk · contribs): Second World War naval history, including the significant expansion and re-writing of HMS Sheffield (C24) and the creation of articles including 8.8 cm SK C/25 naval gun. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
    4. Wahreit (talk · contribs): Can I nominate Wahreit for extensive editing to Second Sino-Japanese War articles like the Battle of Shanghai and the Battle of Sihang Warehouse. He joined Misplaced Pages in April 2024 and has done good work from the beginning. Oh and plus 25k to Battle of Nanking Alexysun (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

    Voting

    Nominations for this year's "military history newcomer of the year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

    The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done below by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to nominee's sections. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

    All project members are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.

    Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

    CommissarDoggo

    1. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
    2. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    4. Internationed (talk) 16:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    5. Kerbyki (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

    Klutserke

    1. Parsecboy (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Kierzek (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    3. simongraham (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Matarisvan

    1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    4. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 11:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    5. Donner60 (talk) 19:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    6. - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
    7. Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    8. TheRazgriz (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

    Wahreit

    1. Matarisvan (talk) 11:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
    2. Kerbyki (talk) 13:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

    Nominations for military historian of the year for 2024 are open!

    Military historian of the year 2024
    • First place First place
    • Second place Second place
    • Third place Third place

    As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. As part of the first step to determining this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate those that they feel deserve a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months.

    The nomination process will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period of will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 1 December during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 on 30 December, the top three editors will be awarded the Gold, Silver and Bronze Wiki respectively; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

    Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

    1. noclador (talk · contribs): Since 2005 has been working mainly on articles about the Italian Army. In 2023 started a project to write articles for all the Italian Army units active after WWII. Since August 2023 noclador has brought to B-class 298 articles about units of the Italian Army, of which 289 were created from scratch. Created 145 articles in 2023 and 2024. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. MSGJ (talk · contribs): Has worked on our Template:WikiProject Military history and the Lua Module:Banner shell and Module:WikiProject banner to implement changes required for our A-class reviews. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
      Thanks. A barn star would be appreciated but this nomination ... seems excessive — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. Zawed (talk · contribs): Another year, another seemingly endless quantity of New Zealand-related articles. From the Second World War and articles such as Mick Ensor, to the 1869 Battle of Te Pōrere, Zawed consistently produces a variety of high quality content. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
    4. Donner60 (talk · contribs) - for extensive behind-the-scenes work as a coordinator, especially their tireless work with the assessment process. Hog Farm Talk 15:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
    5. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) - prodigious output of articles relating to British naval ships, e.g. HMS Regulus (1785) and personalities, and also heavily involved in reviewing articles. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
    6. Hog Farm (talk · contribs) - another editor with a strong article output, this time relating mostly to the US Civil war, e.g. Edward W. Gantt. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
    7. Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) - yet another editor with tremendous output, particularly in military logistics e.g. Operation Matterhorn logistics. Does a lot of backroom stuff for the project. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
    8. Simongraham (talk · contribs) - works away on naval ships, with many articles created and taken up to GA, e.g. HMS Harpy (1909). Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

    Voting

    Nominations for this year's "Military History Newcomer of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

    The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to the nominee's section below. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

    All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.

    Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

    Donner60

    1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    4. Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    5. simongraham (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Hawkeye7

    1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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    5. Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    6. Kerbyki (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

    Hog Farm

    1. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
    2. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. Donner60 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    4. Parsecboy (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    MSGJ

    1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Kerbyki (talk) 14:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

    Noclador

    1. Donner60 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
    3. TheRazgriz (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
    4. Kerbyki (talk) 14:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
    5. simongraham (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Pickersgill-Cunliffe

    1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    3. Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    4. Parsecboy (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Simongraham

    1. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    2. Parsecboy (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Zawed

    1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    2. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 11:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
    3. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
    4. simongraham (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Help needed for draft

    I am currently working on a draft on the Chinese 7th marine brigade(more commonly known as the Jiaolong commandos), may I ask if anyone has any feedback or extra third-party sources on the unit?

    Also the article already exists on chinese wikipedia. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 07:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

    AJ3 Tiger?

    This 1961 newspaper article about the Harlow Fire mentions some firefighting aircraft, the last of which is described as "an AJ3 Tiger, a post war navy bomber". I'm baffled what that might be - neither the Douglas A-3 Skywarrior nor North American A-5 Vigilante (originally A3J) seem likely. Does anywhere here have any clues? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    The only references to "AJ3 Tiger" I'm finding on the Internet appear to originate with that newspaper article, so I think it's probably an error in the original reporting. Hog Farm Talk 04:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'd suspect it was a AJ Savage, as several were used as water bombers by AJ Air Tankers, first flying missions during 1961. "AJ Tanker" could easily be corrupted into "AJ Tiger" depending on the quality of the draft writing, with the 3 coming from a scribbled AJ-2? - The Bushranger One ping only 05:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Pi.1415926535: And looking at this more - seeing as the source describes it as "a post-war navy bomber", it's all but certain that yeah, it's a North American AJ Savage! - The Bushranger One ping only 05:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Good article reassessment for Henry VIII

    Henry VIII has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    Good article reassessment for Battle of Badr

    Battle of Badr has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    The state of A-Class Review

    Based on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/2024/Promoted, the project has 23 promoted A-Class articles so far in 2024, with only a few days left in the year. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/2023/Promoted lists 33, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/2022/Promoted had 48, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/2021/Promoted had 61 if I counted right, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/2020/Promoted had 84. Part of this is just less nominating (I imagine the 2020 total is partially driven by all of the extra time a lot of us had during the COVID shutdowns), but this trend is a bit concerning. The robust A-Class has been a calling card of our WikiProject for years, and is a big part of why our project has historically been a leader in producing high-quality content.

    I think at least part of this has been due to a decline in reviews - ACRs are often staying open for longer than in the past - I know that's caused me to skip ACR on a couple articles, and I imagine that's a factor for other potential nominators as well. This process has a strong peer-review value, especially for future FAC candidates. It's especially helpful to get subject-matter experts looking those articles over before a FAC. I know I've been remiss with my A-Class reviewing this past year, but I'm going to remedy that if my spare time holds up like I think it well for the next couple months. We've currently got an American admiral from both World Wars, a Cold War-era missile engine project, an early-20th century German warship, a battle from the Mongol conquests of the 13th century, a late-20th century radar system, and an American warship from the Civil War. It would be nice if A-Class could make a bounce-back in 2025. Hog Farm Talk 20:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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