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== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way ==
== Provocateur, a term to watch out for ==


Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:
Here is another label we could add to the list of Candace Owens' professions in the opening sentence: an agent provocateur. Obviously, I am not going to add it yet since I am wary about being seen as digging up dirt about a political figure, especially if it means without consensus. However, the five sources I have below suggest that it is a term worth considering or at least watching out for. Of the sources I listed as of this post, the first is a George Washington University publication by a department that specializes in extremism, one is a ], another is one of the American ] news broadcasting stations, another a reputable fact-checking website, and the last a conservative newspaper ] as a situational source. The list may expand in the future, but at the moment, I would be most professional to discuss the changes first. ''']]]''' 12:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/
:No, we should really avoid labels like these. They can be controversial and in this case this limited set of sources is not sufficient to say she is widely known as X. Also, provocateur is a label that can have different meanings to different readers. It would be better to describe her actions rather than apply a subjective and vague label. ] (]) 18:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"


⚫ <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
::I see. While I could dig up a few more sources describing her as a provocateur, it seems that that label is best saved for individuals who are widely known to espouse fringe views or advocate for extreme measures such as ]. Actually, now that I think of it, "far-right" is more descriptive of people like Jones (and entities like ]) since it strongly implies that they get things riled up, but in a particular way that "provocateur" cannot. Owens, however controversial, does not seem to espouse strictly bizarre views.


== Update required - controversies ==
::I was going to suggest a different improvement based on yours, but then I realized that the lead is a comprehensive, if still concise, summary of the subject. What I get from it, however, is scant information about the extent of her notability and how she earned it. A black liberal-turned-conservative who supports Donald Trump is appropriately written as one factor, but I think another factor contributing to her notability is the tendency of her views to prove controversial, and they in turn have sometimes been characterized as "far-right" or "alt-right". It is the same kind of thing that helped ] be brought to notability, minus the "far-right" part. Correct me if I am wrong, but I imagine that she would have received less coverage overall and considerably less about her views if not for the controversy. ''']]]''' 04:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
::Oh that is hilarious considering yesterday she published a tweet encouraging an invasion of Canada. Just like she encouraged the same in Australia last year. Do as you wish though. I'm certainly too biased to do anything. ] (]) 04:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour
===References===
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
* {{cite report|url=https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/terrorism-study/rise-of-the-reactionaries-comparing-the-ideologies-of-salafi-jihadism-and-white-supremacist-extremism/|format=PDF|title=Rise of the Reactionaries: Comparing the Ideologies of Salafi-Jihadism and White Supremacist Extremism|department=Program on Extremism|last1=Meleagrou-Hitchens|first1=Alexander|last2=Crawford|first2=Blyth|last3=Wutke|first3=Valentin|publisher=]|date=December 2, 2021|access-date=December 20, 2021|page=32}}
* {{cite web|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/04/07/candace-owens-reichstag-fire-tucker-carlson/|url-access=subscription|title=Candace Owens compared the Capitol insurrection to the Reichstag fire. Here’s why that’s absurd|last=Brockell|first=Gillian|work=]|date=April 7, 2021|access-date=December 20, 2021}}
* {{cite web|url=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/how-larry-elder-upended-california-recall-n1277815|title=How Larry Elder upended the California recall|last=Seitz-Wald|first=Alex|publisher=]|date=August 29, 2021|access-date=December 20, 2021}}
* {{cite web|url=https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-deputies-compton/|title=Is BLM To Blame for the Shooting of 2 Deputies?|last=Lee|first=Jessica|work=]|date=September 15, 2020|access-date=December 20, 2021}}
* {{cite web|url=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/candace-owens-quits-as-communications-director-for-turning-point-usa|title=Candace Owens quits as communications director for Turning Point USA|last=Rosas|first=Julio|work=]|date=May 2, 2019|access-date=December 20, 2020}}


== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 ==
== LGBT ==


{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}}
On 12/28/21 Candace tweeted:
Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages
“Any adult who encourages transgenderism in children is a child predator, bar none.“


I feel this is a very important detail to add to the LGBT portion of her page, as it certainly changes the narrative of what the current entry suggests. ] (]) 07:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC) Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
* Well, then you need to find a secondary source that agrees with you. ]] 23:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">&mdash;&nbsp;] <small>]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 ==
== Canada convoy protest ==


{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}}
If '']''<ref>{{cite news |last1=Wade |first1=Peter |date=21 February 2022 |title=MAGA Chuds to Ukraine: Drop Dead |work=Rolling Stone India |location=Lower Parel (w), Mumbai, India |url=https://rollingstoneindia.com/maga-chuds-to-ukraine-drop-dead/ |access-date=21 February 2022}}</ref> and '']''<ref>{{cite news |last1=Palmer |first1=Ewan |title=Candace Owens calls to "send American troops to Canada" as police quell protests |url=https://www.newsweek.com/candan-owens-canada-justin-trudeau-vaccine-protest-1680950 |access-date=March 4, 2022 |work=] |date=February 20, 2022 |language=en}}</ref> aren't sufficient to include the following, would '']'',<ref>{{cite news |last1=Graziosi |first1=Graig |title=Candace Owens calls for US to invade Canada in support of truckers |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/candace-owens-canada-trucker-convoy-usa-b2020033.html |access-date=March 5, 2022 |work=] |date=February 21, 2022 |language=en}}</ref> or '']'',<ref>{{cite news |last1=Porter |first1=Tom |title=Candace Owens called for the US to invade Canada to stop Justin Trudeau cracking down on trucker protests |url=https://www.businessinsider.com/candace-owens-wants-us-invade-canada-defend-truckers-trudeau-2022-2 |access-date=March 5, 2022 |work=] |date=February 21, 2022}}</ref> or '']'',<ref>{{cite news |last1=Martin |first1=Lawrence |title=Opinion: Is polarization in Canada comparable to the U.S.? Not even close |url=https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-is-polarization-in-canada-comparable-to-the-us-not-even-close/ |access-date=March 5, 2022 |work=] |date=February 23, 2022 |language=en-CA}}</ref> or '']''<ref>{{cite news |last1=Jong-Fast |first1=Molly |title=A Taxonomy of Right-Wing Dog Whistles |url=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/taxonomy-right-wing-dog-whistles/622930/ |access-date=March 5, 2022 |work=] |date=March 4, 2022 |language=en}}</ref> do?
Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
: In February 2022, during the ], Owens called for American troops to be sent to Canada "to deal with the tyrannical reign of ] ]."
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:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:This is the sort of content that needs to be included carefully. No reasonable person would read what she is saying and assume she literally means we need to use the military to invade Canada. That she is making a rhetorical point about Canada's action towards non-violent protesters is something worth noting but then the question is how? Ideally we don't report the rhetorical statement, rather we note that she was critical of the actions of the Canadian authorities. That gets the factual information across without including quotes that, absent context imply something that isn't true to her message. This is especially true when, in context, the rhetoric's meaning is clear but when presented out of context it can be used to imply a message that is not true to the original. What we should not do is include the quote with no context. That is a bad partisan journalism type thing that would have no place in an encyclopedia. ] (]) 04:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
:BTW, reviewing the sources, most are not great sources for politics. The Atlantic often is but that particular article is actually poor. It said of Owen's tweet, "take on Russia’s war against Ukraine". However, Owens made the statement on 18 Feb, a few days after Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act to deal with a non-violent protest. Russia's invasion was still a week in the future at that point (25 Feb). To imply that Owens said this while there was an active war in the Ukraine is misleading at best. ] (]) 04:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

== Russian propaganda and false claims regarding NATO ==

The currently stated piece has only two citations, both opinion pieces from newspapers. Currently stated is that she has promoted Russian propaganda (itself a questionable statement as what constitutes propaganda, what constitutes personal view, and what constitutes vocal support for a cause based on personal belief is not determined).

it further states "including false claims that NATO promised Russia not to accept new members" This is controversial in the extreme. Such statements were repeatedly made by various heads of state of NATO countries, but never by NATO itself - as shown in the cited NSA documents and explained in detail -citing necessary sections- by the National Security Archive of George Washington University (as opposed to an opinion piece in a newspaper). Politifact rates it as "mostly false" and cites that the primary reason given by prominent academics is that although Russia was given these assurances, they were never included in agreements, and although it was done on record and publicly, it was never from NATO, but from ministers and heads of state of NATO countries.

⚫ This is not impartial. Ms. Owens must be held accountable for her words and They must be public knowledge, but we do so in a factual and impartial manner. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== 14 April large edits ==

{{u|NikolaosFanaris}} recently added then restored the "far-right" description as well as material in the body which was sourced to Newsweek and Rolling Stone. The restored content is here . The material sourced to Newsweek and Rolling Stone should be removed both because the sources are questionable and because it comes across as not summarizing a view. Sadly many BLP articles include such "outrange of the day" sort of media bites. The other major part of the edit was an attempt to put "far-right" in the opening sentence in Wiki voice. This is problematic on several fronts. "Far-right" is both subjective (when does someone move from "right" to "far-right") and can be viewed as a contentious/value-laden label thus LABEL applies. To put "far-right" in wiki-voice the sourcing needs to be especially strong and support the view that "far-right" is a near universal term. The sources here don't rise to that level. The Atlantic is effectively a letters to the editor section. The other two are behind paywalls so it's harder to verify exactly what is claimed but both appear to be cases where we have a generalized statement, "the far right media" followed by mention of specific quotes but it doesn't say "Owens is a far-right...". These descriptions may be DUE with attribution in the body but in the opening sentence they fail IMPARTIAL as well as LABEL. ] (]) 19:07, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Both articles have been removed and replaced with ] and ]. In regards to the far-right label, I don't see an issue with specifying her true ideological components as we should in an ]. Since I don't really want to discuss ideology in depth here, there is no doubt that she sits in the far-right position of the ]. Everything in the views section of Owens already points to that direction : anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, pro-Russian, pro-Trump views can back the far-right label easily. Not sure why this is debatable. Her views are out there, why not highlight their true nature? ] (]) 19:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

:The problem is that sort of "she said X, isn't that outrageous" type additions are not encyclopedic and should be avoided. They don't illustrate ideology so much as her rhetorical style. If the issue is how should we discuss her rhetorical style then find sources that actually talk about that. This outrange of the week sort of stuff just isn't what we should have in a BLP. Absent consensus to include the content should be removed. Your opinion that her views back the far-right label isn't sufficient. Please review LABEL. ] (]) 19:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

::It's not my opinion, it's logic. These are ideological aspects of political figures, part of the ]. Are you familiar with GAL/TAN? If not I highly suggest you do some reading. ] (]) 19:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

:::We can say what her positions are without using contentious labels. There isn't consensus (]) to make these changes. Please self revert. ] (]) 20:06, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

::::The controversial nature of her positions should be summarised by one clear label, which accurately describes her ideological positioning. There is nothing procovative about ideology or the political spectrum. It's pure political analysis. Reverting now, but hopefully more users will contribute to this conversation. ] (]) 20:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::That violates ]. Misplaced Pages isn't supposed to pick sides. We can say what her positions are but applying labels, especially value-laden ones, puts us into the area of picking sides vs just telling the readers. ] (]) 20:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

::::::Political Science and the GAL/TAN scale are not POV. No one is picking any sides here - it's just political analysis of rhetoric and views, hence its widespread use on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:33, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

{{comment}} I just re-read ]'s original post. It is quite misleading to claim that the two sources I added cannot be accessed because of paywall. Both articles are peer-reviewed papers in open access - one is published in Information, Communication & Society, and the other in Journal of Policing, Intelligence and Counter Terrorism </nowiki>] </nowiki>]. I find the points on POV quite misleading as well. I am using two academic articles to back claims about the GAL/TAN scale, which are being used by political scientists globally. What's POV is the continuous promotion of the misleading argument that the GAL/TAN scale should not be used on Misplaced Pages or in politics. This is exactly what far-right actors like Owens claim; ideologically speaking they are trying to convince audiences that they don't belong anywhere. What's at stake here is that we might end up misleading readers on the ideological positioning of such political actors, who are desperately trying to whitewash their ideological contradictions. I consider Owens to be the definition of far-right activism on social media. There is no doubt that her ideas on race, sexuality, human rights and globalisation are often radical. With that said, I am patiently awating for other contributors to decide on this matter. ] (]) 21:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:Please make sure you check what sources I was referring to before you accuse me (or other editors) of "misleading". The sources in question were the ones you added here . One of those sources was USA Today. It said I had to subscribe to read the article. The second was the article, "''What they do in the shadows: examining the far-right networks on Telegram''". It also showed as requiring a subscription. That doesn't mean those sources are unusable. It means I cannot verify they support your claims. This is important because editors often will use a source that suggests or implies a label applies to a person as proof that we can use the label in Wiki-voice. That is not acceptable when dealing with value-laden labels. Since you mentioned another article, "''Islamophobes are not all the same! A study of far right actors on Twitter''", it should be noted that it too requires a subscription to access. Perhaps you are on a university campus where your university has access to those journals without seeing the paywall. ] (]) 02:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way

Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:

" I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings, it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ "HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.8.0.81 (talk) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Update required - controversies

Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html 61.68.185.198 (talk) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024

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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages

Ron Jeremy 2601:807:100:DB0:108B:E1C2:E454:A782 (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
@LizardJr8 Per MOS:LABEL, contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. — gabldotink 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following MOS:LEADCITE. Re-opening the request. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
This is now sourced. Whether or not this is MOS:LABEL is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate MOS:EUPHEMISM. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Remove that she is an anti semite. Naseehaaaaaa (talk) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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