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| == Drake == | |||
| == Celine Dion Record Sales == | |||
| The RIAA database claims that Drake has 291.5 Million certified units, so how come his entry cites sales of over 400 million? Is this a typo? | |||
| https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=awards_by_artist#search_section | |||
| ] (]) 07:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :The 291.5 million certified units of Drake only include his certifications as a lead artist. The 400M+ figure includes his certifications as both a lead and featured artist, and this applies to all artists listed on the page." ] (]) 19:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ah, that makes sense. ] (]) 23:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Please Celine's figures are up to 250 million confirmed by multiple reliable sources, she also sold 50 million albums only in Europe, so how is she at only 200 million? ] (]) 22:08, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Mariah Carey has 5,315,000 certified units in Canada, Can someone update? ] (]) 06:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Did you read the ''Definitions'' on the main page where it says 1)''This list uses claimed figures that are closest to artists' available certified units: inflated claimed figures that meet the required certified units amount but are unrealistically high, are not used.'' 2)The claimed figures are upgraded only when there is a significant progress in artists' certified units. In other words, the available certified units for each artist should get relatively closer to already listed claimed figure in order for higher figures to replace the listed ones.--] (]) 22:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :{{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> ]<sup>]</sup> 00:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == The Doors == | |||
| First off the certified units are not even updated, you can see any celine dion record sales analysis and the figure is up to even more than 250m, that was the first published and most reliable source of Celine Dion sales, it was reported by their label, inflated sales are really the one that losts of artists have here like Rihanna, when its clear that Celine Dion is the second best-selling female artist of all time after Madonna, it's a fact, there's no sense in putting Mariah or Whitney above her cause its well known that she's best seller out of the 3. ] (]) 00:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :The certified sales for Celine Dion are actually up to date. Just because reliable sources or record labels claim such inflated figures as the 250 million is, it doesn't Celine Dion's her records (albums, singles, videos) have sold that much combined. I have her detailed certified sales which you can go over . And based on her available certified sales, the 200 million figure at the moment is the highest number we can work with.--] (]) 00:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::The certified sales for Celine Dion are not up to date. She is eligible for 100m (26m songs+72M albums+around 2M DVDs) units in the US alone. Her certified sales are currently at 61.5m units in the US. If her catalog was certified properly, her total certified sales would be around 175M units. But as long as this list is based on the available certification, Celine’s 250m figure would be still inflated. ] (]) 14:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I don't understand why the entry The Doors sales of recordings in America is not updated. The total sales of the RIAA in the US of 42,850 million are wrong. See the link below of the RIAA in the description. The exact sales are 47 million in the US. Then there would be to add the 600,000 of the video albums for a total of 47,600,000 of total certified sales. The Doors have obtained 47 million certified by the RIAA in US with Gold Units: 32 Platinum Units: 22 Multi Platinum Units: 8 Diamond Units: 1 Format: All types | |||
| You're so hypocritical to your statement, then why you removed Ariana's 90 million claim who has certified more than 130 million and 90 comes closer to that claim. ] (]) 21:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&type_option=ST&type=all#search_section ] (]) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :First I suggest you to remain ], second your source The Gamer isn't a reliable source for us to replace a more reliable one with that. As for the new artists like Ariana Grande, you should refer to the ''Definitions'' where it clearly states ''The certified units of the newer artists may sometimes be higher than their listed claimed figures. This is because Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and almost all other certifying bodies count streaming towards Gold and Platinum thresholds required for Digital Single Award certification.'' However replacing current 85 million with 90 million would be ok if there is a reliable source, since the difference is only 5 million.--] (]) 22:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Billy Murray == | |||
| Literally a whole other editors have been calling me that dumb and bitch, and i've never seen an editor telling them to remain civil. The gamer is a reliable source, its a game news operated by korea naver, Ariana got her own fornite concert so it was mostly to a press release, so it can be consider 95% reliable. ] (]) 04:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| all sources show he had 300 million sales, why is he not included on this list? ] (]) 15:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Also Ariana Grande "85 million" claim came from her usa certified sales, she has sold 85.5 million copies in the united states and there you go here calling it "worlwide" everywhere in wikipedia, 85 million was made up by an user and since then a lot sources started putting in articles cause they got from here, so unless a label report then we can put it here or in her wikipedia. ] (]) 04:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::"85 million was made up by an user" and that user is ME. Do you have any problem with that?. You shoud be grateful I make Ariana Grande join the list. She will never be on the list, if not because of me. ] (]) 14:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Bing Crosby and Henry Burr? == | |||
| both sold well over 200 million records, why does it seem like this list only includes arists from the 1950s to present? ] (]) 15:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :The Gamer may be a reliable source for games, it's certainly not for records sales. As for her US sales, her US certified sales are 87 million, which is streaming generated, meaning she may or may not have sold 50 million records (albums, singles) in the US. ] (]) 12:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :I would like to respond in kind to your well researched information on the following turn of the century entertainers, such as Henry Burr, Bill Murray, perhaps Tino Rossi and of course Bing Crosby. In earnest, any sales in music that predates March 14th 1958 would have never been able to be certified by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which was introduced on that date. A thorough analysis will indicate that in those days that predated the RIAA, record labels tabulated the sales and thus made their certification listings on available sales data. For example, the first record to be certified "Gold" was bestowed on Glenn Miller for his iconic "Chattanooga Choo Choo given to Miller by his record label (RCA) in 1942. On the other hand Crosby's record label was "Decca" which claimed Crosby sales of upward to 300 million by 1970 according to the Guinness Book of World Records. This best selling listing directory goes by what is considered certification of sales data which is largely nonexistent in correlation to entertainers such as the ones mentioned above. Many contributors including myself and the fine editors of this best selling listing directory are well aware of this issue, and of course are trying to somehow make the proper modifications between Claimed Sales as opposed to Certification of sales. I hope this analogy helps. ] (]) 22:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Bee Gees career sales == | |||
| ⚫ | == Billie Jean == | ||
| Hey Harout. I saw some figures for their career sales at 200 million by reliable sources. How many certified sales do they need for their claimed sales to increase? Thank you. ] (]) 09:12, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Recently, the page for Billie Jean only had the physical singles listed for Canada. But the actual certification website cited an additional 800,000 units for it's digital sales as of April 2024, which i had to add. Is this already accounted for here? ] (]) 04:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Bruce Springsteen > U2 == | |||
| :"Music Canada's recent updates typically combine physical and digital sales. As a result, separate digital certifications for songs like 'Billie Jean' (Gold, Platinum, and Double Platinum) are not listed individually in the database. My latest edit fills this gap by adding certifications for 'Billie Jean', 'Beat It', 'Black or White', and 'This Is It', which were previously missing from the list." ] (]) 14:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| The picture of Bruce should be put above the U2 one, as the chart says ] (]) 12:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Tank you ] (]) 17:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx ( CLAIMED AND CERTFIED) == | ||
| ] (]) 07:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Brookville Record sales cannot at present be certified (7 x platinum – 2 albums) Another 5 to 7 million sales of Pickwick releases cannot be fully certified. Numbers are known, but they come from an audit report and not from actual sales accounting Missing sales info on pre computer sales Missing international sales reports. Elvis was not with RCA in many countries Missing SUN sales figures (small numbers I know, but!!!) About 400 U.S. album releases (RCA, Special products and more) all between one of other level of certification. RIAA only counts full millions. So if any album sold 1.999,999, it still counts as 1 million ] (]) ]]] | |||
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| : There is also the fact that in the four months after his death, an estimated 200 million Presley records were sold worldwide. None of those sales have ever been certified. Henceforth the billion records he sold worldwide figures. ] ( | |||
| Gaga's 124m figure is outdated. Here is a source for 170m which her certs easily support: | |||
| ⚫ | ] (]) 14:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == The subject of raising sales figures == | |||
| https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions/19231/ ] (]) 18:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Just came up with this idea, so we have a threshold of 100,000 units minimum before new sales are added. Well how about if a artists certified sales go up by 100 million their claimed sales will be increased or adjusted. Like let's say using ABBA as a hypothetical scenario, right now they are claimed to have sold 150 million as of 2021, but we also have claims citing sales upwards of 300 million or more. If they were to have their sales units increase by 100M since 2021, then that would be enough of a jump for us to adjust their claimed sales figure to the higher estimate (300 Million) ] (]) 01:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == I really doubt Rihanna's sales == | |||
| :I think is an excellent idea. We could also apply the same adjustments in the tabulations of acts such as Julio Iglesias, The Doors and others whose claimed sales have been disputed or have been tagged as erroneous. That would be a step in the right direction. To reiterate, an excellent idea. ] (]) 16:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ::And yet, I wonder if the acts mentioned can still sell that many units through certifications in order to make the aforementioned adjustments. Food for thought..... ] (]) 16:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :True, but it's probably the least conflict method of updating them. Pretty full proof for the most part since it's much harder for older acts to get large jumps in certifications, so we could take them at face value compared to newer artists. ] (]) 22:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes I agree. Moreover we must keep striving in making the proper adjustments in order to somehow satisfy all Wikipedian contributors. And yet, you have raised a good point; "it's the least conflictive method of updating the sales data. ] (]) 22:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Julio Iglesias == | ||
| The values on Julio Iglesias '''are not even close to be correct'''. The values are '''wrong with over 150 million''' in both certified and claimed values. '''The source referenced in this article does not say anything about records sales at all'''. Almost all souces states that it is claimed that Julio has sold over 300 million records (for example the official Julio Iglesias website) which means the 150 million stated in this article is very wrong and cannot be backed up by any reliable source. And the certified sales is also just plain wrong. A simple google search shows that julio has much much more than 51.7 million sales. For example according to "JULIO IGLESIAS album sales" from the bestsellingalbums.org Julio has sold over 220 million records worldwide which is ceritified. Thats a '''326% increase''' and '''wrong with about 168 million records''', so the '''values in this article is extremely wrong'''. Julio also got a guiness world record for most sold latin artist of all time, where it is stated that he has sold 250 million records. Julio sold most of his records in the 70-90s which means the values in this arcticle has never been close to being correct'''. The claimed record sales should be changed to 300 million and the total certified units should be changed to 220 million +. I cannot change in this article so maybe someone else can help. Thanks''' ] (]) 14:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Harout. Any update from Green Day?. Thanks ] (]) 09:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :Actually, they're still at with their certified sales, they need 54.6 million to get back on the list.--] (]) 12:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== The Doors == | ||
| '''I don't understand the reason, why the entry The Doors total sales in America, certified by the RIAA in the link below in the description of 47 million, then we should add the 600,000 of the sales of video albums, for a total of 47,600 is not corrected, instead it is always stopped at 42,850.''' | |||
| Harout. I begin to think that their 600m claim sales look too much and inflated. I will remove their 600m claim and let them just have only 500m claim for their sales. Thanks ] (]) 06:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&type_option=ST&type=all#search_section ] (]) 14:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I still want to wait and see what RIAA's certifications for their singles in digital format will bring in. The RIAA hasn't issued any certs for their singles in digital format, and they would not necessarily be entirely streaming generated, they'd be retroactively issued certs. Besides, the 600 million figure is the one that's supported by reliable sources at the moment, the 500 million is supported by Daily Express, which is a tabloid. Are there reliable sources for the 500 million also?--] (]) 12:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::I put Daily Express only for temporary, at least it's a newspaper not a pop culture or a humour magazine. Once I found the better one, I will replace it immediately. Let's see if a newspaper like Times or Herald come with 500m Sales of The Beatles and there is no progress in their certified Sales. We should not used their 600m in the list. ] (]) 14:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree. Surely if you think the Beatles are inflated, which I do as well by about 50 million, you must think Elvis is inflated as well, ] (]) 03:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Drake
The RIAA database claims that Drake has 291.5 Million certified units, so how come his entry cites sales of over 400 million? Is this a typo?
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=awards_by_artist#search_section
Never17 (talk) 07:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 291.5 million certified units of Drake only include his certifications as a lead artist. The 400M+ figure includes his certifications as both a lead and featured artist, and this applies to all artists listed on the page." TheWikiholic (talk) 19:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that makes sense. Never17 (talk) 23:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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Mariah Carey has 5,315,000 certified units in Canada, Can someone update? Ricsalles (talk) 06:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. cyberdog958 00:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
The Doors
Hi, I don't understand why the entry The Doors sales of recordings in America is not updated. The total sales of the RIAA in the US of 42,850 million are wrong. See the link below of the RIAA in the description. The exact sales are 47 million in the US. Then there would be to add the 600,000 of the video albums for a total of 47,600,000 of total certified sales. The Doors have obtained 47 million certified by the RIAA in US with Gold Units: 32 Platinum Units: 22 Multi Platinum Units: 8 Diamond Units: 1 Format: All types https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&type_option=ST&type=all#search_section 82.55.102.140 (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Billy Murray
all sources show he had 300 million sales, why is he not included on this list? 2600:1015:B10F:CA54:4166:7EC5:1555:381C (talk) 15:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Bing Crosby and Henry Burr?
both sold well over 200 million records, why does it seem like this list only includes arists from the 1950s to present? 2600:1015:B10F:CA54:4166:7EC5:1555:381C (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to respond in kind to your well researched information on the following turn of the century entertainers, such as Henry Burr, Bill Murray, perhaps Tino Rossi and of course Bing Crosby. In earnest, any sales in music that predates March 14th 1958 would have never been able to be certified by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which was introduced on that date. A thorough analysis will indicate that in those days that predated the RIAA, record labels tabulated the sales and thus made their certification listings on available sales data. For example, the first record to be certified "Gold" was bestowed on Glenn Miller for his iconic "Chattanooga Choo Choo given to Miller by his record label (RCA) in 1942. On the other hand Crosby's record label was "Decca" which claimed Crosby sales of upward to 300 million by 1970 according to the Guinness Book of World Records. This best selling listing directory goes by what is considered certification of sales data which is largely nonexistent in correlation to entertainers such as the ones mentioned above. Many contributors including myself and the fine editors of this best selling listing directory are well aware of this issue, and of course are trying to somehow make the proper modifications between Claimed Sales as opposed to Certification of sales. I hope this analogy helps. Victor0327 (talk) 22:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Billie Jean
Recently, the page for Billie Jean only had the physical singles listed for Canada. But the actual certification website cited an additional 800,000 units for it's digital sales as of April 2024, which i had to add. Is this already accounted for here? Never17 (talk) 04:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Music Canada's recent updates typically combine physical and digital sales. As a result, separate digital certifications for songs like 'Billie Jean' (Gold, Platinum, and Double Platinum) are not listed individually in the database. My latest edit fills this gap by adding certifications for 'Billie Jean', 'Beat It', 'Black or White', and 'This Is It', which were previously missing from the list." TheWikiholic (talk) 14:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Tank you Never17 (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx ( CLAIMED AND CERTFIED)
Brookville Record sales cannot at present be certified (7 x platinum – 2 albums) Another 5 to 7 million sales of Pickwick releases cannot be fully certified. Numbers are known, but they come from an audit report and not from actual sales accounting Missing sales info on pre computer sales Missing international sales reports. Elvis was not with RCA in many countries Missing SUN sales figures (small numbers I know, but!!!) About 400 U.S. album releases (RCA, Special products and more) all between one of other level of certification. RIAA only counts full millions. So if any album sold 1.999,999, it still counts as 1 million 24.218.114.189 (talk) 22:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is also the fact that in the four months after his death, an estimated 200 million Presley records were sold worldwide. None of those sales have ever been certified. Henceforth the billion records he sold worldwide figures. Victor0327 (
161.11.160.60 (talk) 14:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
The subject of raising sales figures
Just came up with this idea, so we have a threshold of 100,000 units minimum before new sales are added. Well how about if a artists certified sales go up by 100 million their claimed sales will be increased or adjusted. Like let's say using ABBA as a hypothetical scenario, right now they are claimed to have sold 150 million as of 2021, but we also have claims citing sales upwards of 300 million or more. If they were to have their sales units increase by 100M since 2021, then that would be enough of a jump for us to adjust their claimed sales figure to the higher estimate (300 Million) Never17 (talk) 01:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think is an excellent idea. We could also apply the same adjustments in the tabulations of acts such as Julio Iglesias, The Doors and others whose claimed sales have been disputed or have been tagged as erroneous. That would be a step in the right direction. To reiterate, an excellent idea. Victor0327 (talk) 16:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- And yet, I wonder if the acts mentioned can still sell that many units through certifications in order to make the aforementioned adjustments. Food for thought..... Victor0327 (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- True, but it's probably the least conflict method of updating them. Pretty full proof for the most part since it's much harder for older acts to get large jumps in certifications, so we could take them at face value compared to newer artists. Never17 (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I agree. Moreover we must keep striving in making the proper adjustments in order to somehow satisfy all Wikipedian contributors. And yet, you have raised a good point; "it's the least conflictive method of updating the sales data. Victor0327 (talk) 22:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Julio Iglesias
The values on Julio Iglesias are not even close to be correct. The values are wrong with over 150 million in both certified and claimed values. The source referenced in this article does not say anything about records sales at all. Almost all souces states that it is claimed that Julio has sold over 300 million records (for example the official Julio Iglesias website) which means the 150 million stated in this article is very wrong and cannot be backed up by any reliable source. And the certified sales is also just plain wrong. A simple google search shows that julio has much much more than 51.7 million sales. For example according to "JULIO IGLESIAS album sales" from the bestsellingalbums.org Julio has sold over 220 million records worldwide which is ceritified. Thats a 326% increase and wrong with about 168 million records, so the values in this article is extremely wrong. Julio also got a guiness world record for most sold latin artist of all time, where it is stated that he has sold 250 million records. Julio sold most of his records in the 70-90s which means the values in this arcticle has never been close to being correct. The claimed record sales should be changed to 300 million and the total certified units should be changed to 220 million +. I cannot change in this article so maybe someone else can help. Thanks JannePotatis (talk) 14:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
The Doors
I don't understand the reason, why the entry The Doors total sales in America, certified by the RIAA in the link below in the description of 47 million, then we should add the 600,000 of the sales of video albums, for a total of 47,600 is not corrected, instead it is always stopped at 42,850. https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&type_option=ST&type=all#search_section 82.55.102.140 (talk) 14:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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