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204.15.72.92 I have been reading through your walls of green text and I believe I have found a solution - we should delete all references Alan Shepard's spaceflight. You have previously stated that Shepard was the {{tq|First human space mission that landed with pilot still in spacecraft and thus the first complete human spaceflight by then ] definitions.}}. However note that he never "landed", he "splashed down in water". Note that "landed" contains the word "land" and I found this reference that notes and their are plenty of sources that highlight Shepard made a big splash. What do you think? See if we can get consensus?


Sarcasm aside, I note that


*] &ndash; ]: ] were the first dogs to fly in space and the first to safely return.<ref name="Siddiqi">{{cite book |last1=Siddiqi |first1=Asif|title= Challenge to Apollo: The Soviet Union and the Space Race, 1945–1974 |year=2000 |publisher=NASA |page=95 |url=https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/SP-4408pt1.pdf}}</ref>
*] &ndash; ]: '']'' spacecraft flies erratically several minutes after launch and has to be destroyed.




==Aftermath==
Once the referendum result became clear on the night of 14 October, Yes23 campaign co-chair ] called for a week of silence "to grieve this outcome and reflect on its meaning and significance".<ref>{{Cite web |title=Indigenous yes advocates have called for a week of silence post-referendum |url=https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/indigenous-yes-advocates-have-called-for-a-week-of-silence-post-referendum/upp1jn4ak |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=NITV |language=en |archive-date=19 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231019232959/https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/indigenous-yes-advocates-have-called-for-a-week-of-silence-post-referendum/upp1jn4ak |url-status=live }}</ref> After this period, an unsigned ] was distributed by the public relations firm that had worked for the Uluru Dialogue (a key yes group based at the Indigenous Law Centre of ])<ref>{{Cite web |last=Foley |first=Mike |date=2023-10-23 |title='Shameful victory': Indigenous leaders' bitter lesson from Voice campaign |url=https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/declaration-of-war-mundine-rejects-criticism-from-yes-campaign-20231022-p5ee3g.html |url-access=subscription |access-date=2023-10-24 |website=] |publisher=] |language=en |archive-date=22 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231022054900/https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/declaration-of-war-mundine-rejects-criticism-from-yes-campaign-20231022-p5ee3g.html |url-status=live }}</ref> that decried the result as "unbelievable and appalling" and concluded that constitutional recognition would no longer be possible.<ref>{{Cite web |last= |date=22 October 2023 |title=Open Letter: Statement for Our People and Country |url=https://fpdn.org.au/open-letter-statement-for-our-people-and-country/ |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231026080612/https://fpdn.org.au/open-letter-statement-for-our-people-and-country/ |archive-date=26 October 2023 |access-date=26 October 2023 |website=First Peoples Disability Network Australia}}</ref> It also highlighted the role the Liberal and National parties had in the defeat, stating "there was little the yes campaign could do to countervail" the impact of their opposition.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Canales |first=Sarah Basford |date=2023-10-22 |title=Yes supporters say voice referendum 'unleashed a tsunami of racism' |language= |work=The Guardian Australia |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/22/indigenous-groups-say-voice-referendum-unleashed-a-tsunami-of-racism |access-date= |issn=0261-3077 |archive-date=23 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231023010825/https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/22/indigenous-groups-say-voice-referendum-unleashed-a-tsunami-of-racism |url-status=live }}</ref> Warren Mundine responded to the letter, saying it was a "disgraceful attack on Australia and Australian people".<ref>{{Cite web |last=Staveley |first=Patrick |date=2023-10-23 |title='Disgraceful attack on Australia': Warren Mundine tees off on Yes supporters' open letter |url=https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/warren-mundine-hits-back-at-yes-camp-over-open-letter-that-accused-australians-of-shameful-act-for-voting-no-in-referendum/news-story/c2bf88a02f48bf4f0ea1b0c1446db62f |access-date= |website=Sky News Australia |publisher=News Corp |language=en |archive-date=26 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231026081413/https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/warren-mundine-hits-back-at-yes-camp-over-open-letter-that-accused-australians-of-shameful-act-for-voting-no-in-referendum/news-story/c2bf88a02f48bf4f0ea1b0c1446db62f |url-status=live }}</ref>{{rp|Part 1 p267}}


The result was perceived by many as a significant setback to ].<ref>{{Cite news |last1=Menon |first1=Praveen |last2=Jackson |first2=Lewis |last3=Cole |first3=Wayne |date=15 October 2023 |title=Australia rejects Indigenous referendum in setback for reconciliation |url=https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/voting-begins-australia-landmark-indigenous-voice-referendum-2023-10-13/ |work=Reuters}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Hobbs |first=Harry |author-link=Harry Hobbs |title=Reconciliation Rejected: Is Constitutional Change Possible after the Voice Referendum in Australia? |url=https://constitutionnet.org/news/reconciliation-rejected-constitutional-change-possible-after-voice-referendum-australia |access-date=2024-01-29 |website=ConstitutionNet |language=en}}</ref> Aboriginal academic and pro-Voice campaigner ] declared that Australian voters' rejection of the Voice made it "very clear that Reconciliation is dead".<ref>{{Cite web |last=Langton |first=Marcia |date=2023-10-14 |title=Marcia Langton: 'Whatever the outcome, reconciliation is dead' |url=https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/indigenous-affairs/2023/10/14/marcia-langton-whatever-the-outcome-reconciliation-dead |url-access=subscription |access-date=2023-11-29 |website=The Saturday Paper |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=As Australians reject the Voice, Marcia Langton declares Reconciliation 'dead' |url=https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australians-say-no-to-the-voice-before-polls-close-in-the-west/yt2y7eb9s |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=SBS News |language=en |archive-date=19 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231019213828/https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australians-say-no-to-the-voice-before-polls-close-in-the-west/yt2y7eb9s |url-status=live }}</ref>
When quoting a WP policy you really need to stop cherry picking the wording. I note that [
] also states “However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when they're available and of equal quality and relevance.” As we already have this English reference I see no need for a non-English. As JustinTime has already noted, it is ].


After the referendum, in which over 64% of South Australians voted against the Voice, state Liberal leader ] cast some doubt on the ]. ] MP ] announced plans to introduce a bill to repeal the ''First Nations Voice Act 2023''.<ref>{{Cite web |title=This state had the second-highest No vote, so why is it introducing its own Voice? |url=https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/this-state-had-the-second-highest-no-vote-so-why-is-it-introducing-its-own-voice/qxrasyk03 |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=SBS News |language=en |archive-date=19 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231019225044/https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/this-state-had-the-second-highest-no-vote-so-why-is-it-introducing-its-own-voice/qxrasyk03 |url-status=live }}</ref>
I see that JustinTime55 has reverted your addition on ] on the basis of ] and I have reverted your additions to ] and ] as their is no consensus for this addition. Do you really believe that adding which 99% of English Wiki reader cannot read helps in any way?


On 19 October 2023, the Queensland opposition ] (LNP) leader ] announced that they would be dropping their support for a state based treaty. The LNP had previously supported a treaty in early 2023.<ref>{{Cite news |last1=Gillespie |first1=Eden |last2=Smee |first2=Ben |date=2023-10-18 |title=Queensland LNP abandons support for treaty with First Nations people |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/19/queensland-lnp-abandons-support-for-treaty-with-first-nations-people |access-date=2023-10-20 |issn=0261-3077 |archive-date=20 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231020064642/https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/19/queensland-lnp-abandons-support-for-treaty-with-first-nations-people |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |date=2023-10-18 |title=Queensland Opposition Leader David Crisafulli says Path to Treaty 'will only create further division', retracts support for laws |first1=Kate |last1=McKenna |first2=Rachel |last2=Riga |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-19/david-crisafulli-backflips-on-path-to-treaty-support-queensland/102984166 |access-date=2023-10-20 |archive-date=20 October 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231020064648/https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-19/david-crisafulli-backflips-on-path-to-treaty-support-queensland/102984166 |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=October 18, 2023 |title=LNP flips on support for treaty |url=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/queensland-lnp-flips-on-support-for-indigenous-treaty/news-story/74219eafa2f25e58befb099516381851 |first1=Lydia |last1=Lynch |first2=Michael |last2=McKenna |url-access=subscription |url-status=live |archive-url=https://archive.today/20231018094740/https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/queensland-lnp-flips-on-support-for-indigenous-treaty/news-story/74219eafa2f25e58befb099516381851?amp&nk=91c17c2ce0acfd9b343ec54198fe27fd-1697622469 |archive-date=18 Oct 2023 |website=The Australian}}</ref>
Reverted as no consensus to add this non-English reference, refer ] for discussion


The ] were divided in the aftermath of the referendum over whether to continue supporting the state's treaty process.<ref>{{cite web | url=https://theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/21/victorian-liberals-moderate-credentials-looking-shaky-as-commitment-to-treaty-wavers | title=Victorian Liberals' moderate credentials looking shaky as commitment to treaty wavers |website=The Guardian |date= 20 Oct 2023 |first1=Benita |last1=Kolovos | access-date=22 October 2023 | archive-date=23 October 2023 | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231023035826/https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/21/victorian-liberals-moderate-credentials-looking-shaky-as-commitment-to-treaty-wavers | url-status=live }}</ref> Alongside their fellow Coalition partners, the ], in January 2024 both parties withdrew their support for treaty, leaving Victoria without bi{{nbh}}partisan backing for the proposal.<ref>{{Cite news |last1=Kolovos |first1=Benita |last2=Ore |first2=Adeshola |date=2024-01-22 |title=Treaty could make people 'feel more divided', Victorian opposition leader says, as Coalition withdraws support |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/22/victoria-opposition-drops-support-for-indigenous-treaty |access-date=2024-01-24 |work=The Guardian |language=en-GB |issn=0261-3077}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Love |first1=Simon |last2=Roulston |first2=Amy |date=2024-01-21 |title='We don't believe we should proceed with Treaty': Leader of Nationals confirms Coalition U-turn on support for Treaty in Victoria |url=https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/we-dont-believe-we-should-proceed-with-treaty-leader-of-nationals-confirms-coalition-uturn-on-support-for-treaty-in-victoria/news-story/310d54e27b55a0c43fb587ebed8a7163 |work=] |publisher=] |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240124140550/https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/we-dont-believe-we-should-proceed-with-treaty-leader-of-nationals-confirms-coalition-uturn-on-support-for-treaty-in-victoria/news-story/310d54e27b55a0c43fb587ebed8a7163 |archive-date= Jan 24, 2024 }}</ref>


Former Prime Minister ] said the result was a rejection of ] and a chance to reject or reduce Aboriginal "separatism" with the wider Australian community, such as by no longer flying Aboriginal flags equally with the national flag or by not giving an acknowledgment of country prior to speaking at an official event.<ref>{{cite web |last1=Abbott |first1=Tony |date=2023-10-20 |title=Voice defeat delivers opening salvo against identity politics |url=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/voice-defeat-delivers-opening-salvo-against-identity-politics/news-story/e8bbab6b2d88e5bf8745dbf4232c773b?amp&nk=774b7314400033826f07ccabec5f0a9e-1697941680 |url-access=subscription |access-date=22 October 2023 |work=]}}</ref>
Rather than request for comment, would suggest a ] of this discussion would be more appropriate. As per ] I believe this discussion has reached the level where "'''When further contributions are unlikely to be helpful''': ...when further responses are likely to result in little more than wasting everyone's time by repeating the same widely held view, then it should be closed sooner rather than later.".


Speaking one year after the referendum, Megan Davis and Yes23 campaign director Dean Parkin argued that the referendum debate had been unduly captured by politicians, with Indigenous voices shut out. Davis also stated that the Albanese government and the Commonwealth has subsequently endorsed leaving Indigenous policy to the states and territories who "aren't committed".<ref>{{Cite news |last=Chambers |first=Geoff |last2=Taylor |first2=Paige |date=28 September 2024 |title=Invisible, voices unheard: Yes, PM |url=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-special-investigation-yes-campaign-leaders-felt-invisible-as-referendum-became-toxic/news-story/b7892352acbe8fb53ea532bdd4fec821 |url-access=subscription |work=] |publisher=] |pages=1, 8–9}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Grattan |first=Michelle |author-link=Michelle Grattan |date=2024-10-03 |title=Grattan on Friday: As the anniversary of the Voice vote nears, the high costs of Albanese’s misjudgement are clear |url=https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-as-the-anniversary-of-the-voice-vote-nears-the-high-costs-of-albaneses-misjudgement-are-clear-240347 |access-date= |website=] |language=en-AU}}</ref> Key figures in the No voice campaign Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Nyunggai Warren Mundine stated that Australians want the best for “the vulnerable and needy in our country (but) the voice failed to realise this”<ref>{{cite news |last1=Chambers |first1=Geoff |last2=Taylor |first2=Paige |title=Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, Warren Mundine hit back at Yes activists for ‘blaming others for their failures’ |url=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/jacinta-nampijinpa-price-warren-mundine-hit-back-at-yes-activists-for-blaming-others-for-their-failures/news-story/a897d04ff381136c08d2b5ba5033027b |url-access=subscription |access-date=21 October 2024 |publisher=The Australian |date=29 September 2024}}</ref> and “…they didn’t want racial separation and race-based rights in the constitution and that they want all Australians to be treated equally“.<ref>{{cite web |title=White demographics did not drive the Voice vote |url=https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/opinion/white-demographics-did-not-drive-the-voice-vote/ |access-date=21 October 2024 |publisher=The Centre for Independent Studies |date=14 October 2024}}</ref>
I believe a simple summary of this discussion is 193.233.171.17 is advocating changes that the majority of Editors consider are ], ] and lately ] and none of the changes should be included. Thoughts?

Pinging all involved Editors TompaDompa PaulT2022 North8000 Randy Kryn ke4roh

TompaDompa, I believe your last couple of posts sums up the current situation with 193.233.171.17

"Rough" is certainly one way to describe the consensus with adding the FAQ. You support, I oppose but happy to see other Editors opinions, @TompaDompa: does not mind it being removed and @PaulT2022: stated "If an FAQ is made, it probably should be maintained under Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spaceflight/Timeline of spaceflight working group rather than one of the pages." In other words, their is no consensus to add the FAQ to Talk:Space Age, Talk:Timeline of space exploration or Talk:Timeline of the Space Race

IMO this isn't a scientific question, it is a question on the mere definition of a mere word in the English language "spaceflight" and other synonyms. In most areas it goes by the common meaning of the term and IMO what Yuri did is included within that. But the article can and should cover "who was first" under other prominent definitions. North8000

Gargarin made the first human spaceflight, the full trip. If he felt safer or had a reason to parachute down (I haven't read the full discussion) he carried the most important object which defined his mission as a human spaceflight: himself. Mentioning it on pages is an interesting fact, but it should be worded so it does not diminish, in any way, Gargarin's pioneering accomplishment and actually promotes it (although Albert II would have something to clear his throat about). Randy Kryn

Hi,folks - just stepping in the middle here, following an invitation from 193.233.171.17 yesterday. I'm surprised to see so many bits spilled over this bit of esoterica. If the USSR had been vying for a cash prize and they didn't meet the conditions as verified by some outside observer, then they wouldn't have gotten it. Absent the cash prize and observer at the landing, and considering the FAI has since recognized Gagarin's flight as the first human spaceflight (because he did, after all, go to space and come back alive), Gagarin was the first. Any reader is free to research these matters more thoroughly and come to a different personal conclusion, but the conclusion throughout the corpus of literature on space exploration is unamibguous: the USSR was leading the space race. -- ke4roh

Wouldn't this logic imply that Apollo 11 article needs to be amended to state that "although FAI later recognised the Apoolo 11 flight records, Apollo 11 mission isn't deemed a true spaceflight according to FAI requirements, as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin exited the spacecraft, failing to complete flight to the Moon by FAI regulations" as well?
Sarcasm aside, my position is still the same: as FAI never recognised who was the first person to complete a spaceflight (or fly to the Moon for that matter), a WP:RS should be provided that would establish how FAI rules relevant to such determination, outside of their intended scope for establishing FAI-recognised records. (Where the 'leaving the ship' rule is consistently ignored by FAI both for Vostok 1 and Apollo 1.) I believe no sources (apart from a lengthy synth from FAI rule book) surfaced since this was discussed last time. PaulT2022



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<ref name = 'Siddiqi'>{{cite book |last1=Siddiqi |first1=Asif |title=Challenge to Apollo : the Soviet Union and the space race, 1945-1974 |date=2000 |publisher=National Aeronautics and Space Administration, NASA History Div. |pages=83-84|location=Washington, D.C |url=https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4408pt1.pdf |access-date=3 July 2022}}</ref>

<ref name="R&P_Vol1">{{cite book |last1=Chertok |first1=Boris |title=Rockets and People |date=31 January 2005 |publisher=National Aeronautics and Space Administration |page=164 |edition=Volume 1 |url=https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/rockets_people_vol1_detail.html |access-date=3 July 2022}}</ref>

<ref name=Zaloga>{{cite book | last = Zaloga | first = Steven J | author-link = Steven Zaloga | author2 = James Grandsen | title = Soviet Tanks and Combat Vehicles of World War Two | url = https://archive.org/details/soviettankscomba00zalo | url-access = limited | publisher = Arms and Armour Press | year = 1984 | location = London | pages = 150–153 | isbn = 0-85368-606-8}}</ref>

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== Sources cited ==

* {{cite book |last1=Baker |first1=David |last2=Zak |first2=Anatoly |title=Race for Space 1: Dawn of the Space Age |date=9 September 2013 |publisher=RHK |url=https://books.apple.com/au/book/race-for-space-1-dawn-of-the-space-age/id634833085 |access-date=21 July 2022}}

* {{cite book |last1=Siddiqi |first1=Asif |title=Challenge to Apollo : the Soviet Union and the space race, 1945-1974 |date=2000 |publisher=National Aeronautics and Space Administration, NASA History Div. |location=Washington, D.C |url=https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4408pt1.pdf |access-date=21 July 2022}}

* {{cite book |last1=Chertok |first1=Boris |title=Rockets and People Volumes 1-4 |date=2005 |publisher=National Aeronautics and Space Administration |url=https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/rockets_people_vol1_detail.html |access-date=21 July 2022}}

Latest revision as of 13:36, 22 October 2024



Aftermath

Once the referendum result became clear on the night of 14 October, Yes23 campaign co-chair Rachel Perkins called for a week of silence "to grieve this outcome and reflect on its meaning and significance". After this period, an unsigned open letter was distributed by the public relations firm that had worked for the Uluru Dialogue (a key yes group based at the Indigenous Law Centre of UNSW Sydney) that decried the result as "unbelievable and appalling" and concluded that constitutional recognition would no longer be possible. It also highlighted the role the Liberal and National parties had in the defeat, stating "there was little the yes campaign could do to countervail" the impact of their opposition. Warren Mundine responded to the letter, saying it was a "disgraceful attack on Australia and Australian people".

The result was perceived by many as a significant setback to reconciliation in Australia. Aboriginal academic and pro-Voice campaigner Marcia Langton declared that Australian voters' rejection of the Voice made it "very clear that Reconciliation is dead".

After the referendum, in which over 64% of South Australians voted against the Voice, state Liberal leader David Speirs cast some doubt on the state based voice. South Australian One Nation MP Sarah Game announced plans to introduce a bill to repeal the First Nations Voice Act 2023.

On 19 October 2023, the Queensland opposition Liberal National Party of Queensland (LNP) leader David Crisafulli announced that they would be dropping their support for a state based treaty. The LNP had previously supported a treaty in early 2023.

The Victorian Liberal Party were divided in the aftermath of the referendum over whether to continue supporting the state's treaty process. Alongside their fellow Coalition partners, the National Party of Victoria, in January 2024 both parties withdrew their support for treaty, leaving Victoria without bi‑partisan backing for the proposal.

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the result was a rejection of identity politics and a chance to reject or reduce Aboriginal "separatism" with the wider Australian community, such as by no longer flying Aboriginal flags equally with the national flag or by not giving an acknowledgment of country prior to speaking at an official event.

Speaking one year after the referendum, Megan Davis and Yes23 campaign director Dean Parkin argued that the referendum debate had been unduly captured by politicians, with Indigenous voices shut out. Davis also stated that the Albanese government and the Commonwealth has subsequently endorsed leaving Indigenous policy to the states and territories who "aren't committed". Key figures in the No voice campaign Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Nyunggai Warren Mundine stated that Australians want the best for “the vulnerable and needy in our country (but) the voice failed to realise this” and “…they didn’t want racial separation and race-based rights in the constitution and that they want all Australians to be treated equally“.

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