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== Bing Crosby and Henry Burr? == | ||
| both sold well over 200 million records, why does it seem like this list only includes arists from the 1950s to present? ] (]) 15:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Gaga's 124m figure is outdated. Here is a source for 170m which her certs easily support: | |||
| :I would like to respond in kind to your well researched information on the following turn of the century entertainers, such as Henry Burr, Bill Murray, perhaps Tino Rossi and of course Bing Crosby. In earnest, any sales in music that predates March 14th 1958 would have never been able to be certified by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which was introduced on that date. A thorough analysis will indicate that in those days that predated the RIAA, record labels tabulated the sales and thus made their certification listings on available sales data. For example, the first record to be certified "Gold" was bestowed on Glenn Miller for his iconic "Chattanooga Choo Choo given to Miller by his record label (RCA) in 1942. On the other hand Crosby's record label was "Decca" which claimed Crosby sales of upward to 300 million by 1970 according to the Guinness Book of World Records. This best selling listing directory goes by what is considered certification of sales data which is largely nonexistent in correlation to entertainers such as the ones mentioned above. Many contributors including myself and the fine editors of this best selling listing directory are well aware of this issue, and of course are trying to somehow make the proper modifications between Claimed Sales as opposed to Certification of sales. I hope this analogy helps. ] (]) 22:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions/19231/ ] (]) 18:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
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== The subject of raising sales figures == | ||
| Just came up with this idea, so we have a threshold of 100,000 units minimum before new sales are added. Well how about if a artists certified sales go up by 100 million their claimed sales will be increased or adjusted. Like let's say using ABBA as a hypothetical scenario, right now they are claimed to have sold 150 million as of 2021, but we also have claims citing sales upwards of 300 million or more. If they were to have their sales units increase by 100M since 2021, then that would be enough of a jump for us to adjust their claimed sales figure to the higher estimate (300 Million) ] (]) 01:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| It can't be true. Faked. ] (]) 09:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :I think is an excellent idea. We could also apply the same adjustments in the tabulations of acts such as Julio Iglesias, The Doors and others whose claimed sales have been disputed or have been tagged as erroneous. That would be a step in the right direction. To reiterate, an excellent idea. ] (]) 16:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Green Day == | |||
| ::And yet, I wonder if the acts mentioned can still sell that many units through certifications in order to make the aforementioned adjustments. Food for thought..... ] (]) 16:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :True, but it's probably the least conflict method of updating them. Pretty full proof for the most part since it's much harder for older acts to get large jumps in certifications, so we could take them at face value compared to newer artists. ] (]) 22:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes I agree. Moreover we must keep striving in making the proper adjustments in order to somehow satisfy all Wikipedian contributors. And yet, you have raised a good point; "it's the least conflictive method of updating the sales data. ] (]) 22:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Julio Iglesias == | |||
| Harout. Any update from Green Day?. Thanks ] (]) 09:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :Actually, they're still at with their certified sales, they need 54.6 million to get back on the list.--] (]) 12:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| The values on Julio Iglesias '''are not even close to be correct'''. The values are '''wrong with over 150 million''' in both certified and claimed values. '''The source referenced in this article does not say anything about records sales at all'''. Almost all souces states that it is claimed that Julio has sold over 300 million records (for example the official Julio Iglesias website) which means the 150 million stated in this article is very wrong and cannot be backed up by any reliable source. And the certified sales is also just plain wrong. A simple google search shows that julio has much much more than 51.7 million sales. For example according to "JULIO IGLESIAS album sales" from the bestsellingalbums.org Julio has sold over 220 million records worldwide which is ceritified. Thats a '''326% increase''' and '''wrong with about 168 million records''', so the '''values in this article is extremely wrong'''. Julio also got a guiness world record for most sold latin artist of all time, where it is stated that he has sold 250 million records. Julio sold most of his records in the 70-90s which means the values in this arcticle has never been close to being correct'''. The claimed record sales should be changed to 300 million and the total certified units should be changed to 220 million +. I cannot change in this article so maybe someone else can help. Thanks''' ] (]) 14:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Beatles's 600m (inflated) == | |||
| == The Doors == | |||
| Harout. I begin to think that their 600m claim sales look too much and inflated. I will remove their 600m claim and let them just have only 500m claim for their sales. Thanks ] (]) 06:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :I still want to wait and see what RIAA's certifications for their singles in digital format will bring in. The RIAA hasn't issued any certs for their singles in digital format, and they would not necessarily be entirely streaming generated, they'd be retroactively issued certs. Besides, the 600 million figure is the one that's supported by reliable sources at the moment, the 500 million is supported by Daily Express, which is a tabloid. Are there reliable sources for the 500 million also?--] (]) 12:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::I put Daily Express only for temporary, at least it's a newspaper not a pop culture or a humour magazine. Once I found the better one, I will replace it immediately. Let's see if a newspaper like Times or Herald come with 500m Sales of The Beatles and there is no progress in their certified Sales. We should not used their 600m in the list. ] (]) 14:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree. Surely if you think the Beatles are inflated, which I do as well by about 50 million, you must think Elvis is inflated as well, ] (]) 03:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| '''I don't understand the reason, why the entry The Doors total sales in America, certified by the RIAA in the link below in the description of 47 million, then we should add the 600,000 of the sales of video albums, for a total of 47,600 is not corrected, instead it is always stopped at 42,850.''' | |||
| == Iron Maiden sales are up to 100 million!!! == | |||
| https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&type_option=ST&type=all#search_section ] (]) 14:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Roberto Carlos == | |||
| So about Iron Maiden? They sold 100 million plus!!! With total sales up to 200 millions!!! Number of the Beast alone sold 20 millions!!! ] (]) 23:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| The link for the Brazilian artiste ] on this page links to the ] rather than the singer. Can it be corrected? ] (]) 00:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Kylie Minogue == | |||
| :{{done}} ] (]) 00:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Question... On Kylie album discovraphy page... It noted her having aprox 80 million sales...why does this not allow her to reflect on this list. ] (]) 20:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Danke ] (]) 00:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Bing Crosby and Henry Burr?
both sold well over 200 million records, why does it seem like this list only includes arists from the 1950s to present? 2600:1015:B10F:CA54:4166:7EC5:1555:381C (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to respond in kind to your well researched information on the following turn of the century entertainers, such as Henry Burr, Bill Murray, perhaps Tino Rossi and of course Bing Crosby. In earnest, any sales in music that predates March 14th 1958 would have never been able to be certified by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which was introduced on that date. A thorough analysis will indicate that in those days that predated the RIAA, record labels tabulated the sales and thus made their certification listings on available sales data. For example, the first record to be certified "Gold" was bestowed on Glenn Miller for his iconic "Chattanooga Choo Choo given to Miller by his record label (RCA) in 1942. On the other hand Crosby's record label was "Decca" which claimed Crosby sales of upward to 300 million by 1970 according to the Guinness Book of World Records. This best selling listing directory goes by what is considered certification of sales data which is largely nonexistent in correlation to entertainers such as the ones mentioned above. Many contributors including myself and the fine editors of this best selling listing directory are well aware of this issue, and of course are trying to somehow make the proper modifications between Claimed Sales as opposed to Certification of sales. I hope this analogy helps. Victor0327 (talk) 22:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
The subject of raising sales figures
Just came up with this idea, so we have a threshold of 100,000 units minimum before new sales are added. Well how about if a artists certified sales go up by 100 million their claimed sales will be increased or adjusted. Like let's say using ABBA as a hypothetical scenario, right now they are claimed to have sold 150 million as of 2021, but we also have claims citing sales upwards of 300 million or more. If they were to have their sales units increase by 100M since 2021, then that would be enough of a jump for us to adjust their claimed sales figure to the higher estimate (300 Million) Never17 (talk) 01:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think is an excellent idea. We could also apply the same adjustments in the tabulations of acts such as Julio Iglesias, The Doors and others whose claimed sales have been disputed or have been tagged as erroneous. That would be a step in the right direction. To reiterate, an excellent idea. Victor0327 (talk) 16:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- And yet, I wonder if the acts mentioned can still sell that many units through certifications in order to make the aforementioned adjustments. Food for thought..... Victor0327 (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- True, but it's probably the least conflict method of updating them. Pretty full proof for the most part since it's much harder for older acts to get large jumps in certifications, so we could take them at face value compared to newer artists. Never17 (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I agree. Moreover we must keep striving in making the proper adjustments in order to somehow satisfy all Wikipedian contributors. And yet, you have raised a good point; "it's the least conflictive method of updating the sales data. Victor0327 (talk) 22:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Julio Iglesias
The values on Julio Iglesias are not even close to be correct. The values are wrong with over 150 million in both certified and claimed values. The source referenced in this article does not say anything about records sales at all. Almost all souces states that it is claimed that Julio has sold over 300 million records (for example the official Julio Iglesias website) which means the 150 million stated in this article is very wrong and cannot be backed up by any reliable source. And the certified sales is also just plain wrong. A simple google search shows that julio has much much more than 51.7 million sales. For example according to "JULIO IGLESIAS album sales" from the bestsellingalbums.org Julio has sold over 220 million records worldwide which is ceritified. Thats a 326% increase and wrong with about 168 million records, so the values in this article is extremely wrong. Julio also got a guiness world record for most sold latin artist of all time, where it is stated that he has sold 250 million records. Julio sold most of his records in the 70-90s which means the values in this arcticle has never been close to being correct. The claimed record sales should be changed to 300 million and the total certified units should be changed to 220 million +. I cannot change in this article so maybe someone else can help. Thanks JannePotatis (talk) 14:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
The Doors
I don't understand the reason, why the entry The Doors total sales in America, certified by the RIAA in the link below in the description of 47 million, then we should add the 600,000 of the sales of video albums, for a total of 47,600 is not corrected, instead it is always stopped at 42,850. https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&type_option=ST&type=all#search_section 82.55.102.140 (talk) 14:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Roberto Carlos
The link for the Brazilian artiste Roberto Carlos on this page links to the footballer rather than the singer. Can it be corrected? OskarJacobsen (talk) 00:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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