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List of The Next Step characters

List of The Next Step characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Entirely in-universe page, based around plot summaries, no attempt to fix this since the article was tagged over four years ago. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to The Next Step#Cast: Fails WP:NLIST. No evidence that the characters are notable, either as a group or individually. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

List of Doom Patrol enemies

List of Doom Patrol enemies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a mostly unsourced spin off from the Doom Patrol article. Misplaced Pages implores us to not immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criteria nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. There is nothing here to preserve that isn't covered at the main article (not to mention other villain group articles like Brotherhood of Evil or Brotherhood of Dada). The target article is also missing sources but at least provides a valid redirect target. Jontesta (talk) 18:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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List of Dick Tracy villains

List of Dick Tracy villains (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a mostly unsourced spin off from List of Dick Tracy characters. Misplaced Pages implores us to not immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criteria nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. Misplaced Pages also implores us not to create endless splits of similar articles without sources when those topics can be covered together in a single article. The target article is also missing sources but at least provides a valid redirect target. Jontesta (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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List of James Bond villains

List of James Bond villains (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a mostly unsourced spin off from List of recurring characters in the James Bond film series, which is also questionably sourced and possibly WP:OR. This article is almost completely unsourced and there is nothing to preserve that hasn't already been covered at similar articles, including List of recurring characters in the James Bond film series and the mentions in List of James Bond films. Misplaced Pages implores us to not endlessly make new splits of the similar topics based on WP:SYNTH and arbitrary scope. Jontesta (talk) 18:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete one , or Merge the two - This 2004 list has only one source, which is a now-dead link from 2008 USA Today. Prefer we keep the 2009 List of recurring characters in the James Bond film series; much more informative and has 24 varied sources. — Maile (talk) 19:52, 26 December 2024 (UTC).

• Clarification comment. Suggest either delete one, or merge one into the other. We don't need two lists doing the same thing. This is not about whether or not Bond characters have been listed/covered. Both lists do that, to one degree or another. This is about list duplication, and which one is the most accurate and most within Misplaced Pages standards to do so. — Maile (talk) 04:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Keep: the subject has been covered as a set in reliable sources so that the list meets WP:NLIST -Mushy Yank. 00:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Sources include: Ian Fleming and James Bond:The Cultural Politics of 007; The Terrible Fitzball:The Melodramatist of the Macabre and  plenty of other books. And plenty of articles including https://metro.co.uk/2014/12/04/weve-been-expecting-you-the-top-41-james-bond-villains-from-worst-to-best-4972989/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/11089346/Top-ten-James-Bond-villains-in-pictures.html etc, -Mushy Yank. 01:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per the following sources:

Kavanagh, C., Cavanna, A. (2020). James Bond villains and psychopathy: A literary analysis. Journal of Psychopathology, 26(4), 273-283 . link

Grandy, C. (2014). The shape of villainy: Profiteering and money-men. In Heroes and happy endings: Class, gender, and nation in popular film and fiction in interwar Britain (pp. 83-132). Manchester: Manchester University Press. https://doi.org/10.7765/9781526111210.00010 (note: not able to access full view of this)

DiLeo, M. (2002). The Spy who Thrilled Us: A Guide to the Best of the Cinematic James Bond. Hal Leonard Corporation. Though just snippet view, this book includes multiple pages on how Bond villains attempt to kill Bond and fail.

Hall, J. (2017, May 24). All 104 James Bond Villains, Ranked. Esquire. link

Huver, S. (2023, September 6). The top 25 James Bond villains, ranked. AV Club. link

Ultimately "Bond villain" is not an unencyclopedic cross-categorization, but a topic that's talked about and written about in the popular and scholarly press. Jclemens (talk) 00:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per others citing WP:NLIST. In addition to the above, I found these:

• The Arch Archenemies of James Bond
• "I ate one of their famous secret agents for breakfast": Psychopathy in Ian Fleming's James Bond Villains
• Why don't they just shoot him? The Bond villains and Cold War heroism

Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Pretty obvious that "Bond villains" are discussed as a set. Toughpigs (talk) 20:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per the sources provided above. It does appear that James Bond's villians are often discussed as a group, which makes the list meet WP:NLIST. Aoba47 (talk) 02:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Passes WP:LISTN due to being notable as a group. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

List of Ibis the Invincible enemies

List of Ibis the Invincible enemies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is complete unsourced. The main article Ibis the Invincible is notable but Misplaced Pages implores us to not immediately split new articles if it would fail the general notability criteria and specific notability criteria for their topic. There is nothing to preserve, and for those who disagree, any fixes can occur at the main Ibis the Invincible article. Jontesta (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - Completely unsourced list that is almost entirely made up of minor, one-shot characters. Searches are not showing any kind of sources that would support or justify a spinout character list, let alone a specific enemies list, for Ibis. Rorshacma (talk) 06:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Gameplay of Pokémon

Gameplay of Pokémon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article falls afoul of multiple different rationales and guidelines, which I'll go over now.

-The article's scope is unclear. It's titled "Gameplay of Pokémon", but is primarily discussing Pokémon battling. Additionally, it is only covering the gameplay of the main series of Pokémon video games, and not the gameplay of any game that diverges from that basic gameplay style. I've already merged some of this content to Pokémon (video game series), and while it needs work, this content really only pertains to that article and not to the franchise as a whole, making a spin-out unnecessary.

- This article fails WP:VGSCOPE. It goes into excessive detail about various game mechanics, and is a gross violation of guideline 7 in VGSCOPE, which states that excessive listing of gameplay concepts is not a valid spin-out rationale.

-A source search for notability only yields WP:ROUTINE coverage on gameplay changes when new games come out, as well as WP:VALNET articles that do not provide notability per WP:VG/RS. A search through Books yields only WP:Trivial mentions or is discussing Pokémon Go's gameplay, which is unrelated to the scope of this article. Scholar yields more of the aforementioned finds, but also has a few sources discussing it in correlation with competitive Pokémon. Notability is not WP:INHERITED from the competitive Pokémon topic, which is notable and is an article I'm working on a rewrite for right now, so these sources are not helpful for determining the gameplay's individual notability.

-In short, nothing inherently dictates that Pokémon's gameplay is separately notable from the Pokémon franchise as a whole, and gameplay can easily be summarized at each game's individual article's "Gameplay" sections, as each game has such a varying style of being played that it is impossible to make one article that covers everything without falling afoul of VGSCOPE. I've mentioned a viable AtD target above (Pokémon (video games series)) that could be helpful for preserving page history on the off-chance this article turns out to be notable in the future, but as it stands, this article isn't individually notable and is better off redirected, merged, or what have you. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 20:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete or merge. Standalone gameplay article can be had but only if there is significant coverage of that from sources (beyond just being a gameplay guide), such as the case for Overwatch or Mahic: The Gathering. This has very little sourcing to support it. Masem (t) 21:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Merge - to the game series article, per nom. Unnecessary spin out. Sergecross73 msg me 22:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Revised to just delete. There already seems yo be no shortage of info about the gameplay elsewhere, no need to merge. Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I don't understand nom's rationale that "The article's scope is unclear". The article describes the gameplay of the games described in Pokémon (video game series) as "The main series of role-playing video games (RPGs), referred as the 'core series' by their developers". Separately, I'm not against a merge of the current content of the article, which is largely duplicative of the series and individual game articles. However, from trying to navigate between the various Pokémon game articles, it's currently already frustrating to actually understand the gameplay of any individual game, due to the articles being structured with descriptions of "like previous entries" or "the same as X", plus a "new features" section. I think merging this makes that problem worse, necessitating the reader to read back through the line of individual game articles. ~ A412 22:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think they're saying it veers off-topic a lot, which I agree with. For starters, why would you put a "release timeline" in a gameplay article? There's lots of that sort of stuff, the more you look and think about it. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  I will also add that if there's any issues that are caused by this article's removal, I am willing to and will handle the fixing of those issues editorially. I've been working on improving the Pokémon topic area for a while now, so I know what areas and articles this will affect and what will need to be changed. If you have any more specific advice for this problem, let me know and I'll try to implement these into the articles. At worst, also, we can link a hatnote to the relevant subsection (In this case, Pokémon (video game series)#Gameplay) in place of the previous hatnote to the Gameplay of Pokémon article, as this subsection currently covers the bulk of the important information as is. If you have any more suggestions on if anything else should be merged to that section, then feel free to say it here, and if closed as redirect/merge, we can add it there. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or partial merge, per nom. Gameplay of X" or "Story of X" is essentially the same as "X". Beyond some point, it begins to violate WP:GAMEGUIDE and WP:UNDUE. Once you clean up the violating material, you'd find it redundant with the game article itself, with very little new ground to cover. The main Pokémon (video game series) article is a good place to summarize the essential features across these many games, and is already surplus coverage that isn't covered at the individual game articles. (In addition to the main Pokémon article about the whole multi-media intellectual property.) If Pokelego999's opinion is that this is excessive, then other editors should take that seriously. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to the relevant gameplay section of the series article. The only reason to separate what is functionally identical subject matter to the game itself is to cover a topic with significant coverage and/or analysis, rather than to expand on detail to the point of WP:GAMEGUIDE or WP:UNDUE. The content and sources seem purely descriptive, and a shorter summary of this could be merged in the game itself. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 23:09, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete It appears to fail WP:GAMEGUIDE, IMO. As said by the nominator, it lacks evidence the gameplay is standalone notable. Wikibooks does accept game guides nowadays, but it's not something typical for Misplaced Pages. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per above. The current article goes beyond being a reasonable spinout article and is simply a WP:GAMEGUIDE. The main article on the game series already has a very good section on the common gameplay elements of the series at Pokémon (video game series)#Gameplay, and I honestly don't see it being improved by merging anything from here. I would not object for this to Redirect to that section, though, if people think it would be a useful search term. Rorshacma (talk) 01:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Not a reasonable spinout. Video game topics are supposed to be written with full context including reception. An article about the gameplay of the series and its reception would just be Pokémon (video game series). Jontesta (talk) 18:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Death's Head

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Fails WP:GNG article is almost all list of apperences + plot summary. Very limited devolpement info and no reception best I could found was this everything else was related to him getting a toy Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Not that I'm expecting you to actually engage, but what exactly is wrong with Starburst and Amazing Heroes as sources? Beyond them not showing up when you mash words into Google? Not doing any digging until someone lays out what exactly is wrong with the sourcing present, because at the moment it looks like yet another I Don't Like It nomination from this editor. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 01:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to whatever list of fictional characters from his most relevant franchise is. Pure plot summary and least of appearances - fails WP:GNG. WP:NOTPLOT, WP:NOTCATALOGUE, WP:FANCRUFT... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge with List of Marvel Comics characters: D in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment there is a lot of publication history that goes beyond just plot summaries. The article is sourced to Wizard, Bleeding Cool, Amazing Heroes, and Starburst. If either the nature of the publications or the nature of the coverage is not adequate to establish notability, that should be demonstrated here before merging into the list. Rjj (talk) 16:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  • That, to be honest, is the nub of my dissatisfaction with this nomination. Those four sources have been considered reliable for plenty of comic articles I've submitted that have been approved as new articles, as have others I believe to have more detail that would help with this article (JDM, Slings & Arrows, Crikey!, possibly even Speakeasy or Back Issue), and generally seem to be considered strong specialist sources. I would like to hear why those sources aren't considered reliable and/or worthy of even consideration before I bother sourcing anything else as it they are somehow suddenly not good enough basically anything else featuring comics is also going to be. And that is going to call the notability of a number of articles I've built around similar sourcing into question, so we might as well nominate all of those and get this shit done. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 17:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    A brief overview of the avalible sources

    • Starburst: Interview doenst count for notability
    • Bleeding Cool 1: Just a recap of appearances
    • Bleeding Cool 2: "x posted a tweet about y"
    • Bleeding Cool 3: Literally just one passing mention
    • Amazing Heroes: Seems decent
    • Wizard: Cant tell as its not on the web but by the title it seems like its talking about Marvel UK and not the character.
    • Comic Book Resources: Another passing meniton of a different Death's Hand character.

    If you can WP:HAY this than by all means go ahead but I cant find anything else usable for notability Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait, are you dismissing a source that you haven't actually read? That and your begruding acceptance of Amazing Heroes goes to show that your before was entirely online. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, obviously. From memory, my re-write was performed largely using sources that had cropped up on another semi-related project, and was likely directed at sourcing up what was already there and possibly removing bald inaccuracies; as the article wasn't new it was never meant to be a finished, definite work (and not just because that's not how Misplaced Pages should work). As such I believe my decision to not write a "Reception" section was down to choice as I probably moved back to what I was 'meant' to be doing, rather than there being a lack of any material that could be used. As said, there are likely review sources of both character and selected appearances out there, just probably not on Google. I say this every time someone does a web-based before, but there are always some who choose to ignore it - a lot of decent specialist resources are not online, at least not in an easily-searchable format. But I am not pulling physical media from storage four days before Christmas if someone somewhere has just decided specialist publications don't count anymore. Once again though, this is a nomination of an article that just needs work but will likely get deleted because AfD is a broken system and you all just like deleting things. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  (personally I'd have centred the article around the publication with the development of the character and guest appearances as background and DHII as a separate article along the same lines, and probably left it unfinished with thoughts of going back one day, but there's no point in doing that at this juncture either until someone finishes deciding on the magic list of reliable sources) BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect Without anything other than primary and unreliable sources, there is nothing to keep here. Jontesta (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Which sources are unreliable? Some may or may confer notability, but I'd be interested to hear which are unreliable. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as I don't see a consensus. But if this article has a Redirect or Merge outcome, is List of Marvel Comics characters: D an acceptable target article/section?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz 23:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

If (ha, joking, when) the article is redirected to the increasingly unwieldy, poorly sourced, hard to edit and hard to read character list which editor is going to compressing and rewriting it to be an appropriate level of detail? Or is it just going to be the usual "Redirect and leave it to someone else at some point probably"? BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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