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== Using a terrorist organization as a source ==
==Your draft article, ]==
In these edits and , you used Samidoun, an organization proscribed as a terrorist group in Germany and the Netherlands, to support claims about ]’s innocence according to his own account. Samidoun is reported by sources to have ties to or act as a proxy for the ], itself designated a terrorist organization by the US, EU, Canada, and the UK. This is particularly concerning in light of your other recent edits, such as this one , where you introduced a definition of ] as a "resistance group" in WP:VOICE in the article's very first sentence (especially strange after seeing this ). I believe this falls short of the standards expected in our topic area. ] (]) 17:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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:Oh ffs, that a government says some group is a terrorist organization has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is a reliable source for some statement. The IDF is a proscribed terrorist organization in Iran, should we not cite it for anything? VR, delete this at your leisure. ''']''' - 18:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::Tagging @] and @], who seem to be the main admins monitoring this area right now, as well as @], @]. More evidence regarding editor conduct that typically doesn’t reach AE can be found here and should be considered when deciding whether to accept the motion to start a case and afterwards, if it proceeds. ] (]) 19:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::If you have an issue with the reliability of the source bring it to ] to determine consensus. The views of nations can be evidence of unreliability, but don't immediately make a source unusable. ] (]) 20:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:Samidoun is a registered charity in Canada. That Israel and some of its allies have determined that suppporting the rights of Palestinian prisoners is an act of terror is not something that determines its reliability. That you can browbeat an editor who is actually editing in good faith and improving articles with these bogus insinuations is indeed one of the things that doesnt typically reach AE but in a rational world would. ''']''' - 19:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:I used Samidoun to cite the statement "Kantar denied the accusations and maintained his innocence", not for anything nefarious. Of course, I could have used plenty of much more reliable sources for that statement, and when my mistake was pointed out, I Guardian and CNN instead. Samidoun's lack of reliability has nothing to do with Germany's unfortunate of free speech. For example yet it remains reliable for wiki standards. When I get the chance, I do plan to write an article on ].''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 19:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)


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:Consecutive reverts count as a single one. I deliberately break my reverts into multiple reverts so as to make it easy to follow what I'm doing so that you may object to my edits partially rather than as a whole. That moves us more quickly towards consensus.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 13:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I would like to ask you something, since I cannot edit the page on the Israel and Hamas war, I would like to ask you if you would mind putting up some photos of the events, two photos, one of the events of the raid on the al-Aqsa hospital, and another of the children buried in the refrigerator.
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the first is called GZ0Ubx4XUAQPot3.jpg, the second GZ6tn3rWkAAQ3RJ.jpg, thank you very much in any case ] (]) 12:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)


:@] For the , we would have to get Waleed's permission or public domain release, otherwise it will be deleted. Would you like to enquire with him? ] <small>]]</small> 09:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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:{{re|Gerda Arendt}} thanks! I appreciate it :-) ''']''' <sub>]</sub> 05:44, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


It is about international humanitarian law as it relates to Islamic law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kuAG7lU-as
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Also, I replied to your comment on my talk page, but didn't notice the request to ping you upon doing so. Note that you can use the Subscribe button to have Misplaced Pages do so automatically. ] (]) 05:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
You left a comment that the first paragraph of the lead needed clarifying. Any suggestions? It, of course, seems clear to me because I have been immersed in it for so long, so I am at a loss for new ideas right now. If you can point to, well, anything, it would be a great help. I have really struggled with this article. Help? {{Smiley}} ] (]) 19:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
:I'm a bit unclear about what the article is about. Is it about a theory that Christianization of the Roman Empire was associated with the diffusion of innovation? Or is it about using diffusion of innovation to model the Christianization of the Roman Empire? Or something else? ''']''' <sub>]</sub> 05:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Groan... this is bad. What am I gonna do for people who are unfamiliar with sociology? Diffusion of innovation is a theoretical approach to explaining how society's of all kinds change. It's been applied to the Roman empire in order to explain how the empire was changed. Yes, it's a model. It's a new explanation that's kind of, well, actually, it's revolutionary. It overturns earlier scholarship. I thought the lead explained that. I am apparently completely blind. I cannot see why it doesn't. I am hanging my head in shame, weeping copiously, with no hope. I have no idea what to do with this now. It's a truly important concept - undoing the previous 200 years - that WP should have an article on! And I have failed at communicating this. I am truly at a loss. How would you explain it? Is there another statement in the lead that helps at all? How would you restate? Diffusion is a new alternative explanation for how the Roman empire was Christianized. That's it. That's all there is. Please read the article! Does it get any clearer? Argghh! Sob! ] (]) 22:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Okay! I tried something! I can't tell if it's an improvement! ] (]) 22:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
::: Can you look at it and tell me what you think? Is it any clearer? I'm sorry for the melodrama, but you have no idea what I have been through with this article in. the last year. It has been a fight from the get-go, and I am determined not to give up on it. Please help me insure its success.] (]) 19:00, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::::{{re|Jenhawk777}} Sorry for the delay. The first sentence is now much clearer, thanks. I haven't looked at the rest of the article yet. Thanks for taking the time to engage with me.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 19:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ditto! ] (]) 21:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::You know, if you are actually going to go to the trouble of reading it, and commenting, it would be a good use of your time if you went ahead and picked up the GAN as the reviewer... how's that for impeccable logic? {{Smiley}} Hah! Of course, any input is appreciated - but you might consider it. No hard feelings if you don't - just sayin', you know? ] (]) 22:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::That is a good point and I might just do that if that article remains unreviewed for a few months. But I'm more interested in providing input at ] - a more interesting topic, I'm sure you'd agree.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 23:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::: I find this article much more fascinating than the one on Bible. To each his own. ] (]) 04:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
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== Putting in American financial support for Israel in the very first paragraph of the lead ==
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@] The original goalpost was, ```"Can I write in the Israel lead that it has extensive financial and military backing from the USA?"``` Most people after that, commented about the first paragraph probably because they realized that certain articles already have leads with information included that you have implied shouldn't be in the lead based on WP, but instead are simply not in the first paragraph. Which as my response, to ], '''"Possibly, get some sources together and go to the Israeli talk page. I'm not saying that exact wording would be agreed specifically because the USA normally gives around 3-4 billion and Israel spends 27-28 billion on military spending itself. So the word "extenstive" is doing a lot of work. But ~10% is ~10%."'''
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You took my words out of context (as a response to what I assume was a hyperbolic statement from Selfstudier), didn't even cite correctly because lead includes way more than just the first paragraph.
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I'm pretty certain we are not supposed to have discussions, regardless of maturity level, across article talk pages. I have no idea what policy it is but either remove the question on Israel talk page and apologize to those you, without consent, pinged across to another article's talk page. Or if you are sincere in wanting to make that change to the Israeli article, rewording and remove those users you pinged including myself.
Assalamu Alykum, dear @]. I pray that you are in the best state of everything. I started a Wikimedia user group last year and it was recognised by the AffCom in January 2022. This recognised affiliate user-group aims to add/improve information related to global Deobandi scholarship on Misplaced Pages and its sister projects at a global level. In case you find yourself interested, please feel free and have a look at ]. I'm looking forward to arrange some contests and other international collaborations. Our recent meet in ] was by ]. Looking forward to hear from you! ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 19:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
:Walaikum assalam, {{u|TheAafi}}. Eid Mubarak! And that is why I haven't been online lately. I actually wanted some help from the Islamic scholarly community. Recently I started writing an article ] on a complicated topic. I haven't had much progress, but once I do, I would like a scholar to take a look at it and give me feedback before publishing this article. Would it be possible to find someone like that?''']''' <sub>]</sub> 14:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
::@]. Eid Mubarak to you too. I'm mentoring @], a Mufti, and an alumnus of Deoband seminary who's likely interested in such topics. I'm taking this to my notes as well and seeking assistance/feedback offline from someone interested in Islamic economics and finance. Best wishes, ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 14:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
:::@]. I've tried to reach certain scholars through ]. Mufti Faisal Mahmudi from Darul Ifta Canada is willing to help on this. He has responded stating, "when done, please contact me, I'll have a couple of ulama go through it and point out". I hope this helps. ─ ] <sup>]</sup> 07:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
:::] Thanks for mentioning me here, it will be a plus for me to be a part of such research because I have been attending webinars of under ] to understand Islamic banking.]Kindly let me know how may I help.] (]) 08:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


Thank you,
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:{{re|Schierbecker}} thanks for the reminder, I'll take a look at it asap.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 13:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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:I'm confused. When you said "go to the Israeli talk page", you meant ], right? And can you clarify what you mean by "because lead includes way more than just the first paragraph"? I believe the context of yours (and selfstudier's comments) was the ''first'' paragraph of the lead. Did I misunderstand that? ''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 00:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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::@] Don't play that misunderstanding argument. You didn't just ping me and selfstudier to the Israeli talk page. You were trying to make a statement and it wasn't appropriate.
::Either delete the topic and apologize to those you pinged over to the Israeli talk page without their consent or reword your Israeli talk page topic (removing those you pinged) and apologize to them. Failure to do either, I will go to dispute resolution.
::] ] (]) 02:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
:::You're welcome to pursue dispute resolution, but a few points:
:::*Discussions about changes to a particular article, in this case the article ], should happen at the appropriate talk page. There is nothing wrong with starting a discussion there.
:::*It is assumed that it is ok to ping anyone, unless they have clearly said otherwise. There ] to pinging everyone in a discussion. You also have the option of ].
:::*You ] (let alone "delete the topic") after others have responded to it.
:::Finally, I'd rather get back to the substance of the issue, which is what should be in the first paragraph as opposed to the rest of the lead.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 14:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Responding to , I don't disagree, and I'm sure there is other sourcing that presents the information differently. With what was presented and taking a quick look the report wasn't flagrantly incorrect. My point is that AE isn't the venue to look at 40 such diffs, compile or have other editors compile sources for an analysis, and compare the language used, sources available, and how that changes depending on the subject of the article. That's what the evidence and workshop phases of an Arbcom case are for. The fact that you wanted to (and should!) present counter-evidence and analysis shows that the limitations of AE can't handle that. It would be one thing if there were a few examples given, as is often the case, and the subject of the report can reply, but as I'm you're well aware if we start setting up diff analysis tables and wording examinations we'll have a hundred thousand words there in a week. ] (]) 19:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi just checking in to see what's going on with ]. I have chunks of holiday time for the foreseeable future so not in any major rush, but wanted to make sure you know I have replied. Cheers! ] (]) 13:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
:AE not being the venue does not mean it should be referred to ArbCom. It means you should decline to take action. If a user wants to go to ArbCom with that complaint that is their prerogative, you referring a case however is the admins saying ArbCom '''should''' deal with this, not that AE should not. ''']''' - 20:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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::They should deal with it as there is a case on its way. There were also (and have been in the past) accusations that the report and behavior is tendentious. That is something Arbcom should be looking at in the coming case. ] (]) 21:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::Hiya any further comments on this? Thanks! ] (]) 22:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
:@], got it, thanks.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 20:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello. In June, you changed the infobox here to be materially different than those of the other bombardments mentioned the first paragraph of this article: Hamburg, Dresden, London. Your edit comment refers to Talk, but there was no discussion of this issue there. Would be appreciative if you could fill me in on the rationale for this very obvious inconsistency. Thx.
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Using a terrorist organization as a source

In these edits and , you used Samidoun, an organization proscribed as a terrorist group in Germany and the Netherlands, to support claims about Samir Kuntar’s innocence according to his own account. Samidoun is reported by sources to have ties to or act as a proxy for the PFLP, itself designated a terrorist organization by the US, EU, Canada, and the UK. This is particularly concerning in light of your other recent edits, such as this one , where you introduced a definition of Hezbollah as a "resistance group" in WP:VOICE in the article's very first sentence (especially strange after seeing this ). I believe this falls short of the standards expected in our topic area. ABHammad (talk) 17:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh ffs, that a government says some group is a terrorist organization has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is a reliable source for some statement. The IDF is a proscribed terrorist organization in Iran, should we not cite it for anything? VR, delete this at your leisure. nableezy - 18:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Tagging @ScottishFinnishRadish and @Barkeep49, who seem to be the main admins monitoring this area right now, as well as @Aoidh, @ToBeFree. More evidence regarding editor conduct that typically doesn’t reach AE can be found here and should be considered when deciding whether to accept the motion to start a case and afterwards, if it proceeds. ABHammad (talk) 19:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
If you have an issue with the reliability of the source bring it to WP:RSN to determine consensus. The views of nations can be evidence of unreliability, but don't immediately make a source unusable. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Samidoun is a registered charity in Canada. That Israel and some of its allies have determined that suppporting the rights of Palestinian prisoners is an act of terror is not something that determines its reliability. That you can browbeat an editor who is actually editing in good faith and improving articles with these bogus insinuations is indeed one of the things that doesnt typically reach AE but in a rational world would. nableezy - 19:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
I used Samidoun to cite the statement "Kantar denied the accusations and maintained his innocence", not for anything nefarious. Of course, I could have used plenty of much more reliable sources for that statement, and when my mistake was pointed out, I used Guardian and CNN instead. Samidoun's lack of reliability has nothing to do with Germany's unfortunate repression of free speech. For example Al-Jazeera has been banned in Israel yet it remains reliable for wiki standards. When I get the chance, I do plan to write an article on Suppression of free speech during the Israel-Hamas war.VR (Please ping on reply) 19:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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1 2 Andre🚐 18:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Consecutive reverts count as a single one. I deliberately break my reverts into multiple reverts so as to make it easy to follow what I'm doing so that you may object to my edits partially rather than as a whole. That moves us more quickly towards consensus.VR (Please ping on reply) 13:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Would you mind showing me where in the policy that is? Andre🚐 13:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
WP:3rr: "A series of consecutively saved reverting edits by one user, with no intervening edits by another user, counts as one revert." VR (Please ping on reply) 13:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Photo

Hi, I would like to ask you something, since I cannot edit the page on the Israel and Hamas war, I would like to ask you if you would mind putting up some photos of the events, two photos, one of the events of the raid on the al-Aqsa hospital, and another of the children buried in the refrigerator. the first is called GZ0Ubx4XUAQPot3.jpg, the second GZ6tn3rWkAAQ3RJ.jpg, thank you very much in any case Bajricvasco (talk) 12:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bajricvasco For the first one, we would have to get Waleed's permission or public domain release, otherwise it will be deleted. Would you like to enquire with him? Andreas JN466 09:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

ICRC recently posted a video you may find very helpful

It is about international humanitarian law as it relates to Islamic law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kuAG7lU-as

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Putting in American financial support for Israel in the very first paragraph of the lead

@Vice regent The original goalpost was, ```"Can I write in the Israel lead that it has extensive financial and military backing from the USA?"``` Most people after that, commented about the first paragraph probably because they realized that certain articles already have leads with information included that you have implied shouldn't be in the lead based on WP, but instead are simply not in the first paragraph. Which as my response, to user:Selfstudier, "Possibly, get some sources together and go to the Israeli talk page. I'm not saying that exact wording would be agreed specifically because the USA normally gives around 3-4 billion and Israel spends 27-28 billion on military spending itself. So the word "extenstive" is doing a lot of work. But ~10% is ~10%."

You took my words out of context (as a response to what I assume was a hyperbolic statement from Selfstudier), didn't even cite correctly because lead includes way more than just the first paragraph.

I'm pretty certain we are not supposed to have discussions, regardless of maturity level, across article talk pages. I have no idea what policy it is but either remove the question on Israel talk page and apologize to those you, without consent, pinged across to another article's talk page. Or if you are sincere in wanting to make that change to the Israeli article, rewording and remove those users you pinged including myself.

Thank you,

RCSCott91 (talk) 19:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm confused. When you said "go to the Israeli talk page", you meant Talk:Israel, right? And can you clarify what you mean by "because lead includes way more than just the first paragraph"? I believe the context of yours (and selfstudier's comments) was the first paragraph of the lead. Did I misunderstand that? VR (Please ping on reply) 00:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
@Vice regent Don't play that misunderstanding argument. You didn't just ping me and selfstudier to the Israeli talk page. You were trying to make a statement and it wasn't appropriate.
Either delete the topic and apologize to those you pinged over to the Israeli talk page without their consent or reword your Israeli talk page topic (removing those you pinged) and apologize to them. Failure to do either, I will go to dispute resolution.
WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE RCSCott91 (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
You're welcome to pursue dispute resolution, but a few points:
  • Discussions about changes to a particular article, in this case the article Israel, should happen at the appropriate talk page. There is nothing wrong with starting a discussion there.
  • It is assumed that it is ok to ping anyone, unless they have clearly said otherwise. There are advantages to pinging everyone in a discussion. You also have the option of muting notifications from certain users.
  • You can't substantially edit your own comment (let alone "delete the topic") after others have responded to it.
Finally, I'd rather get back to the substance of the issue, which is what should be in the first paragraph as opposed to the rest of the lead.VR (Please ping on reply) 14:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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As to not drag out AE any longer

Responding to this, I don't disagree, and I'm sure there is other sourcing that presents the information differently. With what was presented and taking a quick look the report wasn't flagrantly incorrect. My point is that AE isn't the venue to look at 40 such diffs, compile or have other editors compile sources for an analysis, and compare the language used, sources available, and how that changes depending on the subject of the article. That's what the evidence and workshop phases of an Arbcom case are for. The fact that you wanted to (and should!) present counter-evidence and analysis shows that the limitations of AE can't handle that. It would be one thing if there were a few examples given, as is often the case, and the subject of the report can reply, but as I'm you're well aware if we start setting up diff analysis tables and wording examinations we'll have a hundred thousand words there in a week. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

AE not being the venue does not mean it should be referred to ArbCom. It means you should decline to take action. If a user wants to go to ArbCom with that complaint that is their prerogative, you referring a case however is the admins saying ArbCom should deal with this, not that AE should not. nableezy - 20:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
They should deal with it as there is a case on its way. There were also (and have been in the past) accusations that the report and behavior is tendentious. That is something Arbcom should be looking at in the coming case. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
@ScottishFinnishRadish, got it, thanks.VR (Please ping on reply) 20:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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Cite missing from Baalbek

Hi VR. You added a short form reference for "Daher 2024" to Baalbek but there's no "Daher 2024" cite in the article. Could you add the missing cites to the sources section? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind I was able to confirm that this was Daher 2019 Hezbollah: Mobilization and Power and fix the reference. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 01:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
@ActivelyDisinterested, sorry just saw this. Yes that's correct. I had copied and pasted references from other articles without copying and pasting the main sfn ref.VR (Please ping on reply) 17:18, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip

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