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In English, this word is spelled zloty in most dictionaries, with a regular English L. I think we should use the English spelling of the currency in the English Misplaced Pages, and not the Polish-language spelling.--] (]) 20:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC) In English, this word is spelled zloty in most dictionaries, with a regular English L. I think we should use the English spelling of the currency in the English Misplaced Pages, and not the Polish-language spelling.--] (]) 20:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:But, złoty is the ''quote and quote "proper"'' way of spelling the currency. I think we should still use the Polish spelling. ] (]) 20:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus.''' It seems unlikely that consensus in favour of moving is going to arise any time soon. The two supporters cited several sources that left off the diacritic, while the many opposers preferred consistency with other subjects keeping the diacritics. <small>(])</small> — ''Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung'', '']''''']''' (]) 03:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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] → {{no redirect|Polish zloty}} – The official English form is "zloty", without the character "ł", which is difficult to produce if not using a Polish keyboard&#32;] (]) 11:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC) ] → {{no redirect|Polish zloty}} – The official English form is "zloty", without the character "ł", which is difficult to produce if not using a Polish keyboard&#32;] (]) 11:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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**And what do unrelated Biblical quotes have to do with this matter? ] (]) 03:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC) **And what do unrelated Biblical quotes have to do with this matter? ] (]) 03:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
***] is one of the users who made an opposing argument. blindlynx is saying that their vote is for the same reasons as elaborated prior. ] (]) 15:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC) ***] is one of the users who made an opposing argument. blindlynx is saying that their vote is for the same reasons as elaborated prior. ] (]) 15:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
****'''Comment''' The facts of the case seem to be very simple to me if one ignores the blatant ] citing unrelated Biblical passages and tennis players:<p>] states "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage, e.g. the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources, whereas for the same reason the anglicized title forms Nuremberg, Delicatessen, and Florence are used (as opposed to Nürnberg, Delikatessen, and Firenze, respectively). ". Nowhere does it say that diacritics must ALWAYS be used, only when they are predominantly used. Even the Polish National Bank does not use the diacritic on their English website.] (]) 04:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC) *'''Comment''' The facts of the case seem to be very simple to me if one ignores the blatant ] citing unrelated Biblical passages and tennis players:<p>] states "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage, e.g. the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources, whereas for the same reason the anglicized title forms Nuremberg, Delicatessen, and Florence are used (as opposed to Nürnberg, Delikatessen, and Firenze, respectively). ". Nowhere does it say that diacritics must ALWAYS be used, only when they are predominantly used. Even the Polish National Bank does not use the diacritic on their English website.] (]) 04:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


*'''Support'''. I took a quick look around online, and I found that most dictionaries and websites use the "Zloty" spelling. For example: , , . Not to mention, Wiktionary ALSO prefers the spelling "Zloty". See how ] is listed as an alternative form to ]. ] (]) 15:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC) *'''Support'''. I took a quick look around online, and I found that most dictionaries and websites use the "Zloty" spelling. For example: , , . Not to mention, Wiktionary ALSO prefers the spelling "Zloty". See how ] is listed as an alternative form to ]. ] (]) 15:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''. See ] for a similar case. See ] for a discussion. If spelled as Zloty most English readers will pronounce it as "Zlot-y" whereas złoty is pronounced "Zwot-y". The Ł changes the sound from "l" to "w". ] (]) 21:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC) *'''Oppose'''. See ] for a similar case. See ] for a discussion. If spelled as Zloty most English readers will pronounce it as "Zlot-y" whereas złoty is pronounced "Zwot-y". The Ł changes the sound from "l" to "w". ] (]) 21:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
*:I doubt most English speakers are even aware of what sound "Ł" is supposed to represent. ] (]) 03:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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In English, this word is spelled zloty in most dictionaries, with a regular English L. I think we should use the English spelling of the currency in the English Misplaced Pages, and not the Polish-language spelling.--67.219.254.84 (talk) 20:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

But, złoty is the quote and quote "proper" way of spelling the currency. I think we should still use the Polish spelling. PolskiSlaskiegokowa! (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Picture of the day Polish złoty A five-złoty banknote, issued by the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth on 8 June 1794 under the authority of Tadeusz Kościuszko. This issue, which also included denominations of 10, 25, 50, 100, 500, and 1,000 złotych, marked the currency's first use of banknotes; złoty coins had been in use since the fifteenth century. See other denominations.Banknote: Kingdom of Poland; image courtesy of the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution Archive – More featured pictures...

Are we writing in English or not?

The article says in its lead section that in English the word for the unit is zloty (with plural zloty or zlotys); but the Polish form złoty (and the plural złotych) occurs far more frequently in the body of the article, and also in the title. This is the English-language Misplaced Pages. If the use of the Polish forms in English is correct, the article should not say otherwise. If it isn't, I think they should all be changed, starting by renaming the article. --69.159.61.172 (talk) 05:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

—= I think it should all be changed to zloty, as this is the English term see wiktionary. According to MOS:FOREIGN usage of zloty is correct and złoty is not. Corn Kernel (talk) 08:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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  • 1794 Polish five-złoty banknote 5 złotych
  • 1794 Polish ten-złoty banknote 10 złotych
  • 1794 Polish twenty-five-złoty banknote 25 złotych
  • 1794 Polish fifty-złoty banknote 50 złotych
  • 1794 Polish one-hundred-złoty banknote 100 złotych

The Polish złoty is the official currency of Poland. While originally existing only as coinage, radical changes to the currency were made during the Kościuszko Uprising in 1794. The second partition of the vast Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth resulted in the loss of approximately 200,000 square kilometres (77,000 sq mi) of land and precipitated an economic collapse. The widespread shortage of funds to finance the defense of remaining territories forced the insurrectionist government to look for alternatives. In June 1794, the Polish military leader Tadeusz Kościuszko began printing paper money as a substitute for coinage, which could not be minted in required quantities. The first Polish banknotes were issued on 8 July 1794. The banknotes depicted here, in five denominations from five to one hundred złotych, are from the first issue in 1794 and today form part of the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution.

Banknote design credit: Kingdom of Poland; photographed by Andrew Shiva

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. It seems unlikely that consensus in favour of moving is going to arise any time soon. The two supporters cited several sources that left off the diacritic, while the many opposers preferred consistency with other subjects keeping the diacritics. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Polish złoty → Polish zloty – The official English form is "zloty", without the character "ł", which is difficult to produce if not using a Polish keyboard TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 11:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943 (talk) 18:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Misplaced Pages main title headers for entries delineating national currencies (of countries that use the Latin alphabet), should retain whatever accents and diacritics the local language uses for those currencies. An English-language redirect that dispenses with accents and diacritics will attend to any uncertainties. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
@TheCurrencyGuy and Roman Spinner: Notify current participants. Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
A Polish traveller's cheque from the 1980s written in both English and Polish, "Narodowy Bank Polski will pay to the holder of this cheque one thousand zlotys"

Comment. I decided to see if any English sources use "złoty" in ENGLISH, I found that none at all do, not a single source anywhere. Quite the contrary the overwhelming torrent of evidence is that "zloty" is used in English in all circumstances.

Along with that, Misplaced Pages also states that "Złoty", in English, is an alternate form of the spelling "Zloty". Look at Zloty & Złoty. Both Misplaced Pages & Wiktionary are bound under the same entity - that being Wikimedia. This is obviously a problem when it come to being consistent across all Wikimedia sister projects. If we decide to keep this article in the spelling "Złoty", then we need to change the corresponding Wiktionary page accordingly. ಢೠೊೠಃಈ (talk) 19:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages's mission is to reflect, not to assert, and emphasising "złoty" over "zloty" as the "correct" English term is a bold assertion which appears to lack any substantiating citations. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
But Wiktionary does emphasis "Zloty" over "Złoty", and the Misplaced Pages article should reflect that by switching to "Zloty" for cohesion across sister projects. ಢೠೊೠಃಈ (talk) 19:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I was talking about Misplaced Pages's use rather than Wiktionary's. I do agree entirely. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 20:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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