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== Redisgn == |
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In early 2023, Misplaced Pages redesigned their site to punish competent professionals who still use desktop computers. The new design completely discards the old format for a new one that destroys the linearity of articles and implements reduced line length. The reduction in line length is intended to cater to those with poor reading comprehension, though they did not beta test the design on simple.wikipedia.org for an unknown reason. |
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I put this in talk so as to not get an IP ban from wikipedia. |
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== Citation & Wikilink overkill == |
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There's heavy citation and wikilink overkill in the ] section of the article. I'm not sure how to fix it without screwing it up, so I'm just posting it here. |
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] (]) 17:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== What is ]? == |
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'''Neelix''' is a former Wikipedian user. It was created on 2006, then retired on 2018, then created in 2020 called ] and have blocked indefinitely in 2020 for abusing multiple accounts. Following ] and ] have blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts in 2020, ] have been blocked indefinitely for abusing ] in 2021. ] (]) 01:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== If the 'recession' dispute meets the definition of a controversy. == |
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@] Even if many of the reports are, so to say, misguided, off-base or exaggerated, the fact that the 'Recession' edit dispute did get a lot of critical comments about it makes it meet the definition of controversy, which did get mentioned by several reliable sources as well. <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>]</small></u></sup> <small>(])</small> 13:08, 6 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:AFAICT, what sources say is that editing got heated so the article was protected for a while. That's extremely common and not a "controversy". ]] 14:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC) P.S. Your opening text ({{tq|After U.S. President Joe Biden rejected claims that the current situation in the United States was a recession, which contradicted the generally accepted definition}}) seems a bit loaded. |
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::But they also mention a fair amount of debate surrounding the incident, though, even if it ''is'' trivial in terms of Misplaced Pages. As for the opening sentence, I probably could've phrased that better. I don't live in America, and I have never heard anything about the recession thing until now, and I was just parroting off the ''Washington Post'' article (which was stupid). <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>]</small></u></sup> <small>(])</small> 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:::If it's really a controversy, there should be some sustained coverage. Time will tell. ]] 15:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::::@] Someone else added it to the page. <span style="color:#7f4bad">'''— V<small>ORTEX</small>'''</span><sup><u><small>]</small></u></sup> <small>(])</small> 08:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Bruce McMahan == |
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I propose this is added to the page. The article's creation, alleged PR-scrubbing, and deletion were notable at the time, and still are. Note that WP:BLP no longer applies, as he died in 2017. |
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] (]) 17:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Relevant external links: |
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▪https://www.villagevoice.com/2006/09/26/daddys-girl/ |
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▪https://www.villagevoice.com/2007/06/12/daddys-dog/ |
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▪https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/10/07/memo-to-bruce-mcmahan-daughter-seducer-updated/ |
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(Reply from User:FizzleDrunk) first of all, Misplaced Pages has an option built into preferences to revert back its 2010 user interface. Second of all, I have never seen any controversy surrounding the change in design. Third of all, the point you are attempting to make is being done so in a rude and bad faith manner. Fourth of all you should not be complaining about others reading comprehension when you both do not know how to format the talk page and have misspelled “redesign” in your header. Fifth of all, you will not get an IP ban for making such an edit. You will likely have your edit reverted alongside a justification for why. |
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== Add target of Virgil Griffith list == |
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I think that we should add a list because the share number of targets individually listed looks horrible on small devices like phones. Also it's just inconvenient and an eye sore to have such a big block of blue. ] (]) 18:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC) |
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▪https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/Archive_84 |
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== Revert of short description == |
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▪https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive644 |
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Hi {{U|Babysharkboss2}}, You reverted a recent edit adding a descriptive and disambiguating short description with the edirt summary ]. Could you clarify what yo mean by this please, as WP:SDNONE is not of itself a reason to remove a suitable short discription. Cheers, · · · ] ]: 14:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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It's worth noting that (from what I can tell) the original Wiki article was created around the time of the first VV article's publication, and soon gained an AfD nom (which resulted in the nomination being withdrawn), followed by another AfD nom again just one month later (resulting in "keep"). From what I can gather, the article was allegedly scrubbed by a PR firm (speculated to be with at least indirect assistance from Jimbo, at threat of legal action), and made into a puff piece, removing all mentions of his incestuous relationship with his daughter. A third AfD nom in 2009 ended up finally deleting it, because at that point it resembled nothing but self-promotion. |
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:"none" is preferred when the title is sufficiently descriptive ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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It really wasn't until 2010 (when Ortega's article came out) that the wider internet became aware. ] (]) 18:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::That is not what it says, and not what it means. Something that ] actually does say, though, is that the short description is part of the content, and can be edited at any time to improve its usefulness to the reader, which I suggest the new short description does, since it informs the reader that the article is about controversies about Misplaced Pages, rather than about controversial topics covered by Misplaced Pages. Cheers, · · · ] ]: 14:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::your right, because I wasnt quoting from WP:SDNONE, I was qouting the hidden tab located next to the short desc of this page explaining why we don't need one. ] <sup>(])</sup> 15:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::That makes more sense, but was not obvious, as short descriptions are commonly edited with the gadget which does not show the comment. Anyway, that explains some of the confusion. Back to the point. I suggested that the short description added was better than none, so should stay. It is now a matter of finding consensus for the page. Cheers, · · · ] ]: 16:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::It is a comment in the wikitext. It should also be visible in VisualEditor. · · · ] ] |
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:::::::Unfortunately, the practical issue here is that short descriptions can't be seen or edited in the visual editor. Most editors use the gadget but, as you say, that doesn't show the hidden text, making the addition of such text of limited use. ] (]) 18:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::The text is still useful in annotated links, also just because visual editor still has shortcomings does not mean things should not be done by those who can do them. Cheers, · · · ] ]: 05:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:The title is sufficiently explanatory, and an additional explanation would not be helpful. The proposal was also overlong. ] (] / ]) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{tq| overlong}} what does overlong mean? ] <sup>(])</sup> 01:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Too long. See ]. ] (] / ]) 02:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::''Not'' "too long" ''Read'' ]. · · · ] ]: 05:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::Clearly we differ on this point. If you see a link to the article in a 'see also' section, you are left wondering whether it is about "Controversies about Misplaced Pages, its communities, and the Wikimedia Foundation", or controversies covered by articles in Misplaced Pages. In my opinion the short description clarifies that point. · · · ] ]: 05:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::A short description is part of the content of an article, if it can be improved, it should be improved. It is a service to the readers and a convenience to the editors. · · · ] ]: 05:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Too long == |
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Also, this is a copy of the WP page shortly before it was deleted: |
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This page is very long. The best split would seem to be by decade. Would that be OK? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 15:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC) |
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https://web.archive.org/web/20090320125845/http://en.wikipedia.org/Bruce_McMahan ] (]) 19:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC) |
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I think that we should add a list because the share number of targets individually listed looks horrible on small devices like phones. Also it's just inconvenient and an eye sore to have such a big block of blue. 91.223.100.28 (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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