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I am not a sock, i am currently appealing the ban

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== Yes. We <em>are</em> biased. ==
], founder of Misplaced Pages, once wrote:<ref>{{Cite web |title=Misplaced Pages founder responds to pro-alt-med petition; skeptics cheer |url=https://skeptools.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-responds-change-org-alt-med-alternative-medicine-cam/ |last=Farley |first=Tim |date=25 March 2014 |work=Skeptical Software Tools |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211019121426/https://skeptools.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/wikipedia-jimmy-wales-responds-change-org-alt-med-alternative-medicine-cam/ |archive-date=19 October 2021 |url-status=live |access-date=4 November 2021}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Jimmy Wales Gets Real, and Sassy, About Misplaced Pages's Holistic Healing Coverage |url=https://slate.com/technology/2014/03/jimmy-wales-denies-petition-from-advocates-of-holistic-healing-about-wikipedia-s-coverage.html |last=Hay Newman |first=Lily |date=27 March 2014 |work=] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140328000015/http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/27/jimmy_wales_denies_petition_from_advocates_of_holistic_healing_about_wikipedia.html |archive-date=28 March 2014 |url-status=live |access-date=4 November 2021}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=An excellent response to complaints about medical topics on Misplaced Pages |url=https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/03/25/an-excellent-response-to-complaints-about-medical-topics-on-wikipedia |last=Gorski |first=David |author-link=David Gorski |date=24 March 2014 |work=] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211019210902/https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/03/25/an-excellent-response-to-complaints-about-medical-topics-on-wikipedia |archive-date=19 October 2021 |url-status=live |access-date=4 November 2021}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Standards of Evidence&nbsp;– Misplaced Pages Edition |url=https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/standards-of-evidence-wikipedia-edition/ |last=Novella |first=Steven |author-link=Steven Novella |date=25 March 2014 |work=NeuroLogica Blog |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211020005024/https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/standards-of-evidence-wikipedia-edition/ |archive-date=20 October 2021 |url-status=live |access-date=4 November 2021}}</ref>

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⚫ And we are not going to change. ] (]) 10:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


:All encyclopedic content on ] must be written from a '''neutral point of view''' ('''NPOV'''), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, <big>'''without editorial bias.'''</big> ] :All encyclopedic content on ] must be written from a '''neutral point of view''' ('''NPOV'''), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, <big>'''without editorial bias.'''</big> ]
:NPOV clearly says not to include bias. Also you should use quotation marks. Bias is not good for anyone, if you want to clearly inform the public of the positions and their scholarly weight, that is commendable, but you cannot refuse to list other views because you don't like them, and I hope you understand the distinction between 1) proven science, ie, the earth is round (no other views NEED to be presented, it is a fact, it is proven and 2) theories that are unproven and contested, ie The Torah is a composite of 4 sources, for example, even if its popular amongst bible critics, that does not make it more of a fact; it is one view and other views have to be present also. Even if they are less popular. Popularity, even amongst scholars, does not make something more true, it does not become a fact because enough people agree on it. What you are imagining is nothing more than an appeal to authority, where all the authorities you don't agree with, you disqualify from having an opinion. ] (]) 10:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
::Your problem, not mine. For more than a hundred years, every other view than "the Book of Daniel is a 2nd century BCE writing" is dead in the water, as far as the mainstream academia is concerned. ] (]) 11:00, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
:::You know for a very very long time every mainstream scientist said the earth was infinitely old, with no beginning, until the 60s when it was discovered that it wasn't. Just because people believe something doesn't make it a fact... if there is another position to an UNVERIFIED, especially an unverifiable debate, it is crazy to choose one as fact for everyone else. You should disseminate all positions and allow readers to use their minds, wikipedia is not a propaganda machine it is an encyclopedia.
⚫ :::'''We should report ''what people have said about it'' rather than ''what is so''.''' ] ] (]) 11:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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== November 2022 ==

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:] (]) 02:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
::If my account is not going to be unbanned... am i allowed to make a new one to continue my discussion? This feels targeted and out of nowhere... I have only the one account... thanks. ] (]) 02:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
:::I think the whole point of blocking you is to stop you from continuing the discussion with multiple accounts. ] (]) 09:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


⚫ ::@] could you let me know what made you think i was that user, thanks ] (]) 14:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
== {{UTRS|Billyball998}} ==
:::Billyball998, based on technical data, my block was incorrect. I've therefore, unblocked you and removed the tag from your userpage. My apologies.--] (]) 14:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
⚫ ::::no problem, thank you and have a nice day! ] (]) 15:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


== Academic consensus ==
is closed. BTW, ''you'' are blocked. There would be no point in blocking one account and allowing you to continue with a new one. ] (]) 09:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

:{{re|Deepfriedokra}} The link above to the UTRS appeal does not work.--] (]) 12:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
::<small>]. --] (])</small> --] (]) 14:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC) ] belongs to ]. If you violate it repeatedly, you're in trouble. ] (]) 14:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

::https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/public/appeal/view?hash=ed2538da4011efadd0fe688545a65721 ] (]) 14:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
::deepfrieddorka... i do not know why my edits merited blocking... i don't believe they did merit blocking. I was actively engaged in an academic talk page discussion. I think i was blocked simply because bbb23 believed, spuriously, that i was a certain blocked troll user making a new account, not because of the nature of the edits. ] (]) 14:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC) :Fair enough, ill leave "most scholars." thanks. Let me know if you reject to the other changes ] (]) 18:04, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
::@] could you let me know what made you think i was that user, thanks ] (]) 14:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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@Bbb23 could you let me know what made you think i was that user, thanks Billyball998 (talk) 14:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Billyball998, based on technical data, my block was incorrect. I've therefore, unblocked you and removed the tag from your userpage. My apologies.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
no problem, thank you and have a nice day! Billyball998 (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Academic consensus

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Fair enough, ill leave "most scholars." thanks. Let me know if you reject to the other changes Billyball998 (talk) 18:04, 20 January 2023 (UTC)