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== De facto, de jure == |
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== Taiwan == |
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] This mostly uncited section (only specific examples are cited) seems ORish. It is a subsection of Recognition so one can assume it is referring to de facto and de jure ''recognition''. |
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"However, states which are only de jure states are sometimes recognised as being the legitimate government of a territory over which they have no actual control." |
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State recognition is not the same thing as government recognition. ] (]) 17:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::The defacto v. dejure state language can be found in virtually any textbook on statehood.] (]) 20:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Then there will be no difficulty in providing a citation.(de jure/de facto recognition, de jure/de facto sovereignty, de jure/de facto annexation, even de facto state is a recognizable short form for unrecognized states but de jure state seems duplicative, since states are of course legal if they are states. ] (]) 20:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::: ] (]) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::The first two are about recognition de jure/de facto, I don't have a problem with those. The third one is a special case referring to the Baltic states claim of continuing de jure existence following alleged illegal annexation. What I am really looking for is a general discussion of de facto/de jure states as implied by the section title, it is less easy to find such in standard references. The section needs fixing up, I will give some thought to how to do it. ] (]) 09:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::The Baltics were the first one to come to mind regarding de jure states that aren't de facto. Another example that springs to mind is failed states. But you are correct that they are relatively uncommon cases, especially so in the very structured post-WWII world. ] (]) 11:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::There are several other cases throughout history, such as the various Allied aligned governments of states annexed by Nazi Germany during World War Two, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (although it now no longer claims to be a "state") and some examples during the Napoleonic Era as well.] (]) 21:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Why is this island nation not discussed here? It is baffling why this obviously germane and salient focus is missing from Misplaced Pages's discussion of "Sovereign State". I cannot perceive a rationale explanation for this blatantly obvious oversight, and unfortunately I am left to conclude that the PRC in some significant way has influence over Misplaced Pages's content. ] (]) 19:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Merger proposal == |
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:Taiwan is discussed in the ], which is linked in the article. This is a general article where the concept of a sovereign state discussed. ] (]) 19:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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I propose merging ] into ]. I think the content in Westphalian sovereignty can easily be explained in the context of sovereign state. None of the current articles are of great quality, and perhaps they stray into content of each other. The "State extinction", "Westphalian sovereignty" and "Ontological status of the state" sections are overlapping with ] article very much. ] (]) 15:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC) |
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== See Also == |
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:'''Oppose''' Not a good idea. ] (]) 22:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC) |
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I added a Misplaced Pages article related to Sovereign States called Non-interventionism. This is a relevant topic because to be a sovereign states means to respect borders and the principle of non-intervention is the formal expression of that requirement of sovereignty. ] (]) 00:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' ] (]) 11:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose:''' Separate ideas with separate contexts and applications. Certainly not interchangeable terms. Content is not so terrible that it needs merging. ] (]) 11:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' Very obviously separate. <span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400 !important;font-weight:bold;">/]::]</span> 23:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Why is this island nation not discussed here? It is baffling why this obviously germane and salient focus is missing from Misplaced Pages's discussion of "Sovereign State". I cannot perceive a rationale explanation for this blatantly obvious oversight, and unfortunately I am left to conclude that the PRC in some significant way has influence over Misplaced Pages's content. 2601:14B:4082:5260:E119:83E7:BF1A:92A9 (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
I added a Misplaced Pages article related to Sovereign States called Non-interventionism. This is a relevant topic because to be a sovereign states means to respect borders and the principle of non-intervention is the formal expression of that requirement of sovereignty. TwohandleS11I (talk) 00:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
level-5 vital article is rated C-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
