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	== African Pledge and Principles of Blackness ==
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	The article states ''"A Kwanzaa ceremony may include ... a reading of the African Pledge and the Principles of Blackness"'' No explanation is given for what the African Pledge states or what constitute the Principles of Blackness. Misplaced Pages has no page for either, and this page is the only place either of those phrases appear on Misplaced Pages. A citation link is given to an article on Epicurious, a food site, that makes no mention of these, and another citation to a book on Google books, ''The Nguzo Saba and the Festival of First Fruits''. The Google books search says that neither the phrase "African Pledge" nor the phrase "Principles of Blackness" appear in that book. Can anyone provide an explanation with referenced citations? If this can't be done after a reasonable time, I suggest those claims be omitted from the article as unsupported. ] (]) 16:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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	Karanga was convinced that the women were trying to poison him. He and three members of his cult had tortured the women in an attempt to find some nonexistent “crystals” of poison. Karenga thought his enemies were out to get him. Heck even the scam’s creator, Maulana Karenga admitted it was a fraud. In 1978 he told the Washington Post’s Hollie West:
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	“I created Kwanzaa,” laughed Ron Karenga like a teenager who’s just divulged a deeply held, precious secret. “People think it’s African. But it’s not. I wanted to give black people a holiday of their own. So I came up with Kwanzaa. I said it was African because you know black people in this country wouldn’t celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that’s when a lot of bloods (blacks) would be partying!”
	Kwanzaa ceremonies have no discernible African roots. No culture on earth celebrates a harvesting ritual in December, for instance, and the implicit pledges about human dignity don’t necessarily jibe with such still-common practices as female circumcision and polygamy. The inventors of Kwanzaa weren’t promoting a return to roots; they were shilling for Marxism. They even appropriated the term “ujima,” which Julius Nyrere cited when he uprooted tens of thousands of Tanzanians and shipped them forcibly to collective farms, where they proved more adept at cultivating misery than banishing hunger.
	So what is Kwanzaa? It’s the ultimate fraud. It is a holiday created by a man responsible for violently torturing two women–and it has a fascist goal of separating the races. If Black people in America would like to come up with a holiday that celebrates their valuable contribution to America I would not object. Nor would I object to a celebration of the rich Western Africa culture that many of them lost when they were dragged from their homeland to become slaves.

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	It is hard to understand why anybody would want to follow a violent felon, in a made-up holiday that mistakes racism and segregation-ism for spirituality, and fiction for history. And especially in the days of “me too,” I don’t understand why black women would encourage the celebration of this holiday when one considers its inventor. But then again, t then I never understood why white women continued to stand behind and promote Ted Kennedy and/or Bubba Clinton. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

		⚫	Please delete or fix the link "Pan American" which leads to a disambiguation page. I don't know what the term is referring to in the context of the article. ] (]) 20:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
	== Wasn't this Fellow Karenga an Ex-Convict? ==

		⚫	:Wonder what that was doing there? Gone. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:12, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
	This article really seems to gloss over the facts, which are that this "holiday" was made up by an ex-convict. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Edit request ==
	:It doesn't mention his shoe size, either. This article isn't about him, it's about the holiday, so how is that relevant to the holiday? However, ] Misplaced Pages page mentions it. -- ] (]) 16:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
	::Also, that's not true. This no-quotes holiday was invented by a ''future'' convict. But that still has nothing to do with the holiday. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 16:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

			{{Edit extended-protected\|Kwanzaa\|answered=yes}} Please make the following addition to the article, in the next to last paragraph in the section "History and etymology", after the last sentence that reads "Many African Americans who celebrate Kwanzaa do so in addition to observing Christmas."
	The simple fact that the guy was a convicted criminal is far more relevant than his shoe size, of course. There are good people who think this "holiday" is something organic and real, but the truth is that it was just made up by a criminal and calling him an "activist" is glossing over the reality. Misplaced Pages should be honest and non-partisan in its articles if it aspires to have credibility as a source. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:53, 14 May 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			In December 2022, Reverend ], Mayor ], businessman ], Reverend ], Rabbi ], and ] joined to celebrate ] and ] together at ].<ref name="auto">{{Cite web\|url=http://amsterdamnews.com/news/2022/12/21/mayor-eric-adams-the-rev-al-sharpton-others-gather-for-joint-kwanzaa-hanukkah-celebration/\|title=Mayor Eric Adams, Rev. Al Sharpton, others gather for joint Kwanzaa, Hanukkah celebration\|date=December 21, 2022\|website=New York Amsterdam News}}</ref><ref name="auto11a">{{Cite web\|url=https://forward.com/news/529652/kwanzakkah-a-way-to-celebrate-dual-heritage-and-combat-hate/\|title=Kwanzakkah: A way to celebrate dual heritage, and combat hate\|date=December 23, 2022\|author= Stewart Ain and TaRessa Stovall\|website=The Forward}}</ref><ref name="auto1">{{Cite web\|url=https://www.jns.org/wire/mayor-eric-adams-rev-al-sharpton-robert-f-smith-robert-f-smith-rev-conrad-tillard-rabbi-shmuley-boteach-and-elisha-wiesel-join-together-to-host-15-days-of-light-celebrating-hanukkah-and/\|title=Mayor Eric Adams, Rev. Al Sharpton, Robert F. Smith, Robert F. Smith, Rev. Conrad Tillard, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and Elisha Wiesel join together to host ’15 Days of Light,’ celebrating Hanukkah and Kwanzaa\|website=JNS}}</ref><ref name="auto13a">{{Cite web\|url=https://www.yahoo.com/now/black-jewish-leaders-gather-carnegie-032200862.html\|title=Black and Jewish Leaders Gather at Carnegie Hall to Take a Stand Against Antisemitism and Racism\|website=Yahoo\|date=December 20, 2022}}</ref> ] (]) 06:38, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
	== It's that time of year again! ==
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			== Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2022 ==
	Semi-protected until the middle of January 2022. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 16:40, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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			Change: The initial Karamu Ya Imani occurred on January 1, 1973 at a 200-person gathering at the Ridgeland club, followed by the airing of grievances and feats of strength.
			To: The initial Karamu Ya Imani occurred on January 1, 1973 at a 200-person gathering at the Ridgeland Club.

			Airing of grievances and feats of strength are hallmarks of Festivus, not Kwanzaa. This looks like vandalism. Thanks! ] (]) 21:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
	== And again... ==
		⚫	:Indeed. Thanks. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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⚫	Please delete or fix the link "Pan American" which leads to a disambiguation page. I don't know what the term is referring to in the context of the article. ] (]) 20:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

	~~:Wonder~~ ~~what~~ ~~that~~ ~~was~~ ~~doing~~ ~~there?~~ ~~Gone~~. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:12, 10 ~~December~~ ~~2022~~ (UTC)		It's vandal season, of course. Protected through January. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 21:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Please delete or fix the link "Pan American" which leads to a disambiguation page. I don't know what the term is referring to in the context of the article. Cerulean Depths (talk) 20:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Wonder what that was doing there? Gone. --jpgordon 02:12, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

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Please make the following addition to the article, in the next to last paragraph in the section "History and etymology", after the last sentence that reads "Many African Americans who celebrate Kwanzaa do so in addition to observing Christmas."

In December 2022, Reverend Al Sharpton, Mayor Eric Adams, businessman Robert F. Smith, Reverend Conrad Tillard, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, and Elisha Wiesel joined to celebrate Kwanzaa and Hanukkah together at Carnegie Hall. 2603:7000:2143:8500:2444:FA7E:10BC:53DD (talk) 06:38, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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"Mayor Eric Adams, Rev. Al Sharpton, others gather for joint Kwanzaa, Hanukkah celebration". New York Amsterdam News. December 21, 2022.
Stewart Ain and TaRessa Stovall (December 23, 2022). "Kwanzakkah: A way to celebrate dual heritage, and combat hate". The Forward.
"Mayor Eric Adams, Rev. Al Sharpton, Robert F. Smith, Robert F. Smith, Rev. Conrad Tillard, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and Elisha Wiesel join together to host '15 Days of Light,' celebrating Hanukkah and Kwanzaa". JNS.
"Black and Jewish Leaders Gather at Carnegie Hall to Take a Stand Against Antisemitism and Racism". Yahoo. December 20, 2022.

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Change: The initial Karamu Ya Imani occurred on January 1, 1973 at a 200-person gathering at the Ridgeland club, followed by the airing of grievances and feats of strength. To: The initial Karamu Ya Imani occurred on January 1, 1973 at a 200-person gathering at the Ridgeland Club.

Airing of grievances and feats of strength are hallmarks of Festivus, not Kwanzaa. This looks like vandalism. Thanks! 64.66.92.131 (talk) 21:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. Thanks. --jpgordon 05:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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It's vandal season, of course. Protected through January. --jpgordon 21:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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