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=="Pelican shit"==
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== Archives AWB run ==


Would anyone object to me doing an AWB job to replace all the archived pages tagged with {{t|historical}} with a clearer tag? I already did so ] but didn't know there were many. ]]] 07:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
I am "pelican shit" guy, and yes, I am "bugger" guy, but I am ''not'' Willy on Wheels. Nor did I do the stunt mentioned above. I have no idea who appended "covered in..." to titles, though I saw it and was suitably impressed. My style is, as you first surmised, to Google bomb with repetitions of the phrase. So now you can ban yet another username. Oh, ye Pharisees, ye know not the FREQUENCY! How preach ye the Llangollwyen, yet believe it not? Yea, verily I say unto you, ye shall not inherit the Kingdom of the Llangollwyen unless ye bugger the pelican shit.
:Please do not do that unless there is a positive consensus first. Saying "This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference" (]) is nicely low-key. By contrast, the clearer tag of "'''This page has been blanked to ].''' The latest revision of this page before blanking can be found ]" (]) is very much over-the-top IMHO. The wording says that it is denying recognition but it is doing the opposite. Fussing over LTAs and micro-managing their shrines is a very bad idea. ] (]) 07:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


== Nate Speed ==
:The above posted by {{user|Doombumper}}


Hello, as a sysop from English Wikiquote, I'd like to say this LTA is active currently in that project. Is there anyone who are familiar with him, e.g. commonly used IP ranges or behaviours in addition to :<? ] 13:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
:You didn't throw away that perfectly good user name by posting here, you threw it away by your other vandalism with that username. Anyway I've unblocked again for now, if you want to try to explain what you're up to. -- ] 02:28, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
: He mostly uses VPNs. I know of some IP ranges used, but I can't tell them to people who aren't CheckUsers. The global privacy policy forbids that. Other vandals sometimes mimic his behavior, so screamy vandals who use emoticons are not automatically him. If you're not sure, or you want to block the IP ranges involved, you could ask a CheckUser to look at the accounts. If your wiki doesn't have any CheckUsers, maybe something could be worked out. If I don't have to do a massive amount of checks there, I could volunteer to be one of the two CUs (by global policy, each wiki must have at least two CheckUsers). Preferably, this would be on a time-limited basis (like a six month or year-long grant of the CU user right). That should give you enough time to find someone else locally who could take over for me. Or you could ask a steward to run a check. ] (]) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
::@] I tried to reintroduce Checkuser to English Wikiquote, but we cannot get at least 25 votes from registered users to appoint two checkusers. ] 14:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
::: There's always the stewards, then. I'm sure the stewards will tell you if the load gets too tedious for them. I guess that'd be the time to hold local CU elections. I'm not a steward, so what I can do is a bit limited. However, ] and ] should tell you quite a bit. ] (]) 15:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
::@] Hi, I got an idea, you may discuss with Koavf when possible since he is a cross-wiki checkuser and a sysop there. ] 23:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


== "Chile-based dynamic IP" ==
::It sure looks blocked to me. No matter. The Frequency will not remain hidden, nor will it be silent, though walls of the finest stone be constructed to contain it within. I say, old chap, don't you see that your blocking is like pouring a cup of water into the ocean? You can certainly do it, but the ocean doesn't care very much, and eventually people who might need a cup of water will find it in short supply. Do be a sensible chap and stop filling up the blocklist. It's just bloody silly, don't you know.


Is there any way to add this user?
:::Well, I blocked it and then unblocked it after I saw your post here. But if you prefer your current username of {{user|Dungbuster}} I'll block Doombumper again and you can use the current name.


Chile-based user hopping between many dynamic IPs in different IP ranges. Almost exclusively focused on film-related articles. In spite of much advice, many warnings, and several blocks and range blocks, this user has often changed the wording of citation headlines, added to billing blocks, and added unreliably sourced material again and again and again, sometimes with misleading edit summaries, in spite of frequently being reverted. Does not listen to advice and answers back with excuses addressed to the editor as "dude".
:::Don't you see that your posting is like writing a line of text in the wet sand next to the ocean. If one wave doesn't wipe it away, a dozen others will. Why not make more useful and permanent contributions? -- ] 03:45, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


* Latest incarnation: {{Vandal|190.21.190.250}} blocked for 6 months
::::Oh, my! ''Bravo'', old chap! Your analogy is more appropriate than even you realize. You see, the writing washed away by the waves leaves ''traces'', and that's exactly the point. The writing requires only to remain until noticed by the Great Google, and then the task is done, the traces graven in stone, fossilized for all to see and marvel over. It matters not in the slightest whether the traces lead to a concrete structure, but only that they exist, however briefly. I am ''encouraged'', dear Curps. Perhaps it may yet be that the Pharisees will come to see the error of allowance; that is, of letting the pelicans alter the scriptures. For the end of a pelican is naught but pelican shit, and it falleth upon the mean and the noble alike. ] 06:16, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
* {{IP|190.21.184.81}} blocked for 3 months on 28 April 2024, for editing while blocked
* {{IP|201.188.130.53}} blocked for 3 months on 22 April 2024.
* Also see {{rangevandal|190.21.190.0/19}}.
* Also see detailed ].


Thanks, <b>]<small> + ] + ]</small></b> 11:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::::Dear, oh dear. I just penned a perfectly rational response to Messr. Curps, and RickK saw fit to vandalize our discussion by removing the post in some manner that prevents the reversion of it. How, dear Rick, did you remove it from the history?<p>I had complimented Messr. Curps upon the brilliant analogy he added above. It is indeed appropriate, because the writing in the sand leaves ''traces''. It requires only for the writing to remain until noticed by the Great Google, and then the task is done, the traces graven in stone, fossilized evermore for all to see. It matters not in the slightest whether the traces lead to a concrete structure, but only that they exist, however briefly. Perhaps the Pharisees will yet come to see the error of bending the scriptures upon their whim. For the end of a pelican is naught but pelican shit, and the same falleth upon the mean and the noble alike. ] 06:46, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


=== Updates ===
:::The traces aren't graven in stone. Stone is permanent; Google is a palimpsest. It seems like a Sisyphean endeavour. For what it's worth, I've checked Google to see if any of your contributions made it to some pages we missed (nothing personal), so the very act of temporarily accomplishing your goal would leave a trace leading to its nullification. You write well... write something that won't get removed. -- ] 18:10, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
* {{IP|201.188.133.126}} blocked for 3 months on 22 May 2024. <b>]<small> + ] + ]</small></b> 08:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


== MidAtlanticBaby ==
==Sollog==
'''This is the full version of the post regarding Sollog from ], including posts deleted from that page''':


@] @] @], do you guys think it's finally time to start creating an LTA page on this user? They've been so disruptive and repeatedly have been abusing IPs and sockpuppets posting on ] and creating fake talk pages on ] mentioning us over and over to the point where it wastes our time. It seems, IMO, that the user is effectively considered banned. Let me know your thoughts and I'll try responding back ASAP. Thanks. ] (]) 00:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is currently the target of vandalism by the followers of a self-styled god and resident of Philadelphia named ] who are unhappy with the Misplaced Pages article on their object of worship. They have set up a site called wikipediasucks.com (please don't link to it to boost their google rank) and on the forums there they are actively discussing ways to vandalize wikipedia. Targeted articles include ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and articles linked on the main page. This is not an idle threat as they've already been actively vandalizing over the past week. Any admin seeing such vandalism from a Sollog puppet (who will usually make themselves known by invoking the name of Sollog or linking to http://wwwDOTwikipediasucksDOTcom or http://wwwDOT247newsDOTnet/2004/20041211-wikipediaDOTshtml) should - in my opinion - block them immediately without warning as they are persistent vandals who cannot be made into good wikipedians. See ] for information on their past behavior. ] 22:16, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:No. Ignore them, there's nothing that needs tracking or interpretation here. They're easy to spot. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 00:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, well that's true. Judging from their consistent spamming of the message, spotting them shouldn't be that much harder. ] (]) 00:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::What {{U|Acroterion}} says. It's all too childish. ] (]) 00:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)


== Hamish Ross ==
] is a known anon open proxy which has been used by Sollog sockpuppets as well as others to vandalize wiki pages. ] 22:34, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)


I was thinking of starting a page for Hamish Ross. He's been here since 2007 and his disruption is particularly unusual and damaging (false level 4 warnings), which I think warrants its own page. ] (]) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
:In the past, Sollogites appear to have operated from Kinko's (e.g. ], which is currently blocked); Starbucks using T-Mobile addresses (e.g. ], also blocked at the moment); and anonymous proxies (e.g. ], which belongs to http://www.surffreedom.com/ ). In addition to evidence from past behavior, a forum on the wikipediasucks.com website also encourages Sollog supporters to continue vandalism using those previously employed tactics, as well as public libraries, public wifi networks, and open proxies. Most of the attacks appear to have originated from ] and from northeastern Broward county in southern Florida, possibly ] and/or ]. Sollogites share a similar writing style, using UPPER case for emphasis. The '']'' article has an interesting past, having been created by ], vigorously defended by Sollogites during a ] which resulted in a consensus to keep, vandalized, protected, unprotected, and ultimately opposed by the user who created it, resulting in a streak of vandalism today. --] 22:44, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:Please only start a page if something useful can be said (that is, which would reduce disruption). There is no reason to record that someone has a hobby of doing whatever. ] (]) 06:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
::I think a page would help to reduce disruption, especially to help people unfamiliar with the case. Any reverts made to a HR sock can link back to the report for more details. I'll prepare a page for it over the next week, let me know if you have any suggestions. ] (]) 14:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@] Mind if I help? I remember a sock of this guy reverting my edit on the ] page for archiving a url (which thankfully, was reverted and the sock got blocked). ] (]) 15:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That's fine. Feel free to contribute after I publish it. I have my rough draft in my sandbox right now, which I plan on submitting later today after my college classes are done. ] (]) 16:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Same. My classes just started today and I still have one more to go: calculus, which is at 4:00. I'll see if I can contribute after my class is done as well. ] (]) 16:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Just submitted the case at ]. Feel free to add diffs or other information. I will do the same. ] (]) 17:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)


== Lokicat3345 ==
Might I also suggest that we stop linking Sollog in our user pages? I'd rather Google didn't pick up on all the controversy...] ] 01:26, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Pinging a few familiar editors over here for their take and help in filing an LTA report for Lokicat3345; he has been a persistent sock master who has been churning out sock puppets for more than a year. Pings: @] @] @] @] @] @] @] ]<sup>]</sup> 22:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
:Sollog is repeatedly attacking both the article and the talk page through a variety of IP addresses, which I suspect are those of unsecured proxy servers. I suggest that sysops should block these proxies indefinitely, as permitted and encouraged by ]. -- ] 00:35, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::Anyone who doesn't know how to spot open proxies might want to look over ]. ]] 00:44, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:Frontpage was just replaced with a Sollog article. Suggest that more thorough action be taken. Report these actions to the ISPs? ] 00:06, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


:Will also add @] and @] to the ping list. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::Huh, it's gone now, and no trace in the revision history. It was the Sollog article with a yellow background. Anyone else catch it? ] 00:08, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::And also pinging @] too. More pings may follow as I comb through archives. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
:::All pinged users: please see ]; it has some info about Lokicat that you may want to put in the LTA report should we choose to do one. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::::All we can do is single out and report the IPs they’re using. There is no true way to stop them. ]] 01:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::But we can make it easier to spot if there is an LTA. I myself was recently duped by a Lokicat sock. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Will also add @] to the ping list. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)


== Request for LTA listing ==
The article is currently under heavy attack from Sollog via open proxy servers around the world. Could fellow sysops please keep an eye on it and block the proxies as they appear? -- ] 16:26, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Here’s the situation: An IP address has since September edited a number of articles on the Norwegian (no) Misplaced Pages. All edits have been the same nonsense about "God’s stew". This has been added to or replaced several random articles, and also edited other user’s posts on the "Village pump".
:The latest on the Sollog front (posted through an open proxy as usual): "his site has a list of over 100,000 proxies that they are passing out to fans to post anonymously here and they are giving out instructions on how to hit the busiest pages, you guys are in for a war, look at his paypal info almost 1000 buyers wiki is only 2400, dozens or hundreds of people using 100,000 proxies will crush this site if you ask me" (sic)


After being blocked indefinitely on this language version the IP started posting on user discussion and even replacing user pages for me and two other sysops on several language versions. Mainly posting the same nonsense – in Norwegian, no matter what language version – but also describing some of us as devils.
:While Sollog/Ennis may not have 100,000 proxies at his disposal, he certainly has a lot which are now blocked. Please be aware that he is mounting revenge attacks on multiple Misplaced Pages articles, including those linked from the main page. -- ] 23:41, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


A week ago this happened on the language versions English (en), Nynorsk (nn – a variant of Norwegian), Swedish (sv) and Danish (da). Locally blocked on some of them, then globally blocked after I made a steward request.
::Isn't he almost certainly breaching the T&Cs of his ISP contract? Couldn't the Wikimedia Foundation therefore register an abuse complaint with his ISP? Given that they're interfering deliberately, in an organised, focussed manner with a website run at non-insignificant cost leave them open to some sort of legal action? ] 01:29, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::Yes it likely would if you can find who is the cause. Basically what it takes to win a civil suit in the US is damages. Bandwidth, time, and other damages could be raised in this case. The next piece would be being able to prove that a given person or organization caused the damages. Check the pattern of edits to 'Sollog', that same text is repeatedly replacing the text on 'Sollog' and other pages. I have been blocking each one I see. They all seem to come from different netblocks, but I for one have a hard time believing there are that many people behind it. Mostly just one really determined person. In any case please block the IP addresses of those you see making similar edits. I don't see the value in range blocks, as the edits to the same article never seem to come from other IP's in the same range.- ] 23:30, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
Today a new IP showed up. It made several random vandalisms on Norwegian, but not mentioning "God’s stew" on these. The stew mentions today started on English, after it was blocked there went to Nynorsk, Danish and Simple English. When changes were reverted, the IP reverted back instantly. When I on Simple English asked for a quick deletion, and shortly described why, the IP reverted it and wrote «fake news». Again, the IP has been locally blocked (again indefinitely on Norwegian), then globally for 24 hours after I made another steward request.

Given that this nonsense and harassment has been going on for weeks, on at least six language versions and from at multiple IP addresses, I would like an LTA listing for it. Call it "LTA/God’s stew" as it’s a common factor.

The known IP addresses and user names are:
* {{IP|88.92.173.16}}, Norwegian IP
* {{IP|88.93.245.100}}, Norwegian IP
* {{IP|139.164.154.73}}, Norwegian IP, possibly belonging to user’s high school<small>Added 16 October</small>
* {{IP|91.26.124.18}}, German IP, confirmed open proxy later globally blocked, used on simple-enwiki and dewiki <small>Added 18 October</small>
* {{IP|151.196.242.52}}, US proxy <small>Added 19 October</small>
* ], used on nnwiki today <small>Added 18 October</small>
* {{IP|88.93.211.232}}, Norwegian IP <small>Added 30 October</small>
* {{IP|88.93.95.224}}, Norwegian IP, active at enwiki, simple-enwiki and nnwiki this evening <small>Added 23 november</small>

The sysops that have been victims:
* ], also sysop at Nynorsk: ] – harassed on nn and da (that I know of)
* ] – harassed on nn, en and da (that I know of)
* Me, ] – harassed on nn, en, sv, da and simple

The same IP also posted some of the same "God’s stew" nonsense on other user discussions at English, when they reverted.

I want an LTA for this because it is so much easier to link to it when the user in the future shows up again, instead of describing the problem over and over again when reporting on different language versions. An LTA will also make sysops on the different language versions more aware of it, and chances are they can take action even before a report is made.

Thanks! ] (]) 21:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

:The IP returned today, posting on my simple-WP and meta talk page, so far. Also mentioned ], without tag. Locally blocked both places.
:Once again, I’m begging for an LTA listing to be made. ] (]) 12:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
::What would such an LTA page be called? Bear in mind that giving attention to disturbed people tends to excite them and ] is often best. Are you suggesting that an LTA page at enwiki would be easiest for reporting the problem at other projects? As opposed to a page at nowiki? I will block any IP or new user posting stuff such as in the contributions of the above IPs and having an LTA page would not help that (send me an email or other communication if wanted). ] (]) 22:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
:::First of all, I’m glad that you will block the IP if you come across some of this, and I’m glad that other sysops have blocked for a limited time when it has happened. As said, it could be called "LTA/God’s stew".
:::Of the wiki projects this person have used for posting, enwiki and simple-enwiki are the only language versions that have LTA listings, according to the interwiki links. I wouldn’t have asked for a listing here if the user had posted only on other projects.
:::When posting Steward requests (in English) for global blocks over at Wikimedia metawiki, LTAs here at enwiki is very often referred to – no LTA listing (that I know of) are hosted on metawiki. I have referred to both LTA/KAGE and LTA/Alec Smithson here on enwiki when I have deleted content and blocked users/IPs on nowiki.
:::Have in mind that nowiki, nnwiki, svwiki and dawiki are small wikis, in languages that few outside the Nordic countries read. Having a small language as your native language means that almost everyone understands English pretty good, and many understands a third and even a fourth and fifth language too. All sysops on no-, nn-, sv- and dawiki will be able to read, and possibly even contribute to, an LTA here on enwiki.
:::If it only was nonsense posted in random articles, which it was at the beginning on nowiki, I wouldn’t ask for an LTA. It would be detected by patrollers as foreign language unrelated content and removed. But this person is now targeting three nowiki sysops on out talk pages, on five language versions where he/she knows we can’t do much more than reverting. I’m aware of WP:DENY, but in this case the IP removes speedy deletion templates too, along with re-reverting to bring back the text.
:::As stated, having an LTA that can be used as a reference will make it easier for sysops in various language versions to see that this is more than a local problem on said project. It’s also easier and quicker to refer to an LTA than describing every time you need to report an IP, whether it’s a local report or a global request. In addition, an LTA with a name might help sysops in different language versions to recognize and remember from the last report lasting hours or days, as opposed to remembering a sequence of 8 to 12 numbers and a report saying "posting nonsense again". ] (]) 00:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm half way between those who think LTA pages should be deleted and those who want to decorate them. I missed the "LTA/God's stew" suggestion above (we don't use curly quotes here). I can see the reason for that name but I'm uncomfortable about using a troll's motto as the identifier. Is there some variation of "LTA/Norwegian troll" that would work without being too flippant? Is that an accurate title? There could be a shortcut such as ]. ] (]) 05:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Good point in not using the content as an identifier! The shortcut sounds good, for the long name I need to think of something, maybe brain storm a little with the two other sysops.
:::::Btw, the person is back on my enwiki talk page now: ]. Already reverted the speedy deletion template once. The heading "Kuk" literally means "D i c k" (spacing in case of possible word filter). ] (]) 10:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@]: Today the person was foolish enough to make some identical edits while being logged in, with a user name that already had an indefinite block on enwiki. User quickly made him/herself eligible for the same status on nowiki and nnwiki, and it has now been globally blocked indefinitely for cross wiki spam: ].
:::::As far as I’m conserned, this is more or less equal to an LTA, at least for the purpose I wanted the LTA. No matter the IP or username used or what language version it happens, we can now point to that global block, and tell it’s a sock puppet avoiding a block. ] (]) 17:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Let's focus on the title and then the content. For the title, what about "Stew"? Or some variation of "Norway"? If that IP continues after the week-long block, let me know and I will block for much longer. ] (]) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Just found the English word for "lapskaus": ], but this will use his content as an identifier. "Norwegian stew" will identify it without using the same wording as the IP. ] (]) 12:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::How about making a draft at ]? That name would be easier to recall. When we think it is ready, you can move it to here and I can make the ] shortcut. Or, forget the draft and create ] if you are ready. ] (]) 01:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Good idea. I’ll try to find some time to do that. Since English isn’t my native language, I think I prefer to make a draft. Then have someone to proofread the text, both grammar wise and the choice of wording, but also in terms of what an LTA shuld have, and not have. I will of course look at some of the existing LTAs.] (]) 11:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm happy to proof read. The idea is to show the pattern and areas of interest, with a couple of diffs. Keep it brief and business like. The purpose is to allow others to judge whether a particular new user/IP is the same person (or is a troll imitating them, which makes no difference to us). ] (]) 22:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:Given that this is a cross-wiki vandal who makes many edits outside of English Misplaced Pages, I think we should create the LTA infopage at Meta rather than here, just like how the NTSAMR spambot has its infopage at ]. —&nbsp;] ] 23:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::I looked at Meta earlier, to find the equivalent of enwiki’s LTA, without luck, which is why I made the request here.
::An infopage as a user subpage is a good suggestion! Since I am the main target, it can be placed at ]. It’s late here in Norway now, I will look into such a page tomorrow.] (]) 23:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

== Demographics Vandal ==

]

He has his own page but is not listed here ] (]) 18:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

:I've added it to the list (which is updated manually). —&nbsp;] ] 23:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

== Potential new LTA ==

Apologies if I forget anything; I'm not good with juggling huge things like this, and I'm not massively involved in the behind the scenes stuff of Misplaced Pages beyond patrolling recent changes.

A user named ] got into an edit dispute in November 2023, and logged out to edit war with others, as well as argue with them. On 17 November 2023, they were indefinitely blocked for ''"Battleground mentality, logged out editing, block evasion, etc"''. You can see the discussion on the user's .

Fast forward to December 2024, and an ] in an edit dispute on similar articles reveals that they have continued to come back on different IPs with the same behaviour since the original incident; making edits that are challenged, arguing with users and accusing them of bullying and spreading misinformation, then switching IPs and attempting to make the edit again. They have also used another IP to ''"agree"'' with the original IP on talk pages about the accusations they make.

They primarily edit music articles, a prominent subject of which being ], although not restricted to her. Most IPs appear to be based in the United States, although one is based in the Czech Republic, implying VPN or proxy use.

The ANI discussion dug up a number of IP addresses, and there could be more not mentioned. ] (]) 03:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
: Report any IP addresses or accounts to ], not here. ] (]) 03:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Would anyone object to me doing an AWB job to replace all the archived pages tagged with {{historical}} with a clearer tag? I already did so here but didn't know there were many. ofHearts 07:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do not do that unless there is a positive consensus first. Saying "This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference" (permalink) is nicely low-key. By contrast, the clearer tag of "This page has been blanked to deny recognition. The latest revision of this page before blanking can be found here" (permalink) is very much over-the-top IMHO. The wording says that it is denying recognition but it is doing the opposite. Fussing over LTAs and micro-managing their shrines is a very bad idea. Johnuniq (talk) 07:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Nate Speed

Hello, as a sysop from English Wikiquote, I'd like to say this LTA is active currently in that project. Is there anyone who are familiar with him, e.g. commonly used IP ranges or behaviours in addition to :<? -Lemonaka‎ 13:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

He mostly uses VPNs. I know of some IP ranges used, but I can't tell them to people who aren't CheckUsers. The global privacy policy forbids that. Other vandals sometimes mimic his behavior, so screamy vandals who use emoticons are not automatically him. If you're not sure, or you want to block the IP ranges involved, you could ask a CheckUser to look at the accounts. If your wiki doesn't have any CheckUsers, maybe something could be worked out. If I don't have to do a massive amount of checks there, I could volunteer to be one of the two CUs (by global policy, each wiki must have at least two CheckUsers). Preferably, this would be on a time-limited basis (like a six month or year-long grant of the CU user right). That should give you enough time to find someone else locally who could take over for me. Or you could ask a steward to run a check. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate I tried to reintroduce Checkuser to English Wikiquote, but we cannot get at least 25 votes from registered users to appoint two checkusers. -Lemonaka‎ 14:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
There's always the stewards, then. I'm sure the stewards will tell you if the load gets too tedious for them. I guess that'd be the time to hold local CU elections. I'm not a steward, so what I can do is a bit limited. However, Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Nate Speed/Archive and Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Nate Speed should tell you quite a bit. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate Hi, I got an idea, you may discuss with Koavf when possible since he is a cross-wiki checkuser and a sysop there. -Lemonaka‎ 23:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

"Chile-based dynamic IP"

Is there any way to add this user?

Chile-based user hopping between many dynamic IPs in different IP ranges. Almost exclusively focused on film-related articles. In spite of much advice, many warnings, and several blocks and range blocks, this user has often changed the wording of citation headlines, added to billing blocks, and added unreliably sourced material again and again and again, sometimes with misleading edit summaries, in spite of frequently being reverted. Does not listen to advice and answers back with excuses addressed to the editor as "dude".

Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Updates

MidAtlanticBaby

@Acroterion @Drmies @Donald Albury, do you guys think it's finally time to start creating an LTA page on this user? They've been so disruptive and repeatedly have been abusing IPs and sockpuppets posting on ANI and creating fake talk pages on the Discord page mentioning us over and over to the point where it wastes our time. It seems, IMO, that the user is effectively considered banned. Let me know your thoughts and I'll try responding back ASAP. Thanks. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Ignore them, there's nothing that needs tracking or interpretation here. They're easy to spot. Acroterion (talk) 00:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Ah, well that's true. Judging from their consistent spamming of the message, spotting them shouldn't be that much harder. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
What Acroterion says. It's all too childish. Drmies (talk) 00:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hamish Ross

I was thinking of starting a page for Hamish Ross. He's been here since 2007 and his disruption is particularly unusual and damaging (false level 4 warnings), which I think warrants its own page. Jdcomix (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Please only start a page if something useful can be said (that is, which would reduce disruption). There is no reason to record that someone has a hobby of doing whatever. Johnuniq (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
I think a page would help to reduce disruption, especially to help people unfamiliar with the case. Any reverts made to a HR sock can link back to the report for more details. I'll prepare a page for it over the next week, let me know if you have any suggestions. Jdcomix (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
@Jdcomix Mind if I help? I remember a sock of this guy reverting my edit on the Interstate 75 in Kentucky page for archiving a url (which thankfully, was reverted and the sock got blocked). NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
That's fine. Feel free to contribute after I publish it. I have my rough draft in my sandbox right now, which I plan on submitting later today after my college classes are done. Jdcomix (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Same. My classes just started today and I still have one more to go: calculus, which is at 4:00. I'll see if I can contribute after my class is done as well. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Just submitted the case at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Hamish Ross. Feel free to add diffs or other information. I will do the same. Jdcomix (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Lokicat3345

Pinging a few familiar editors over here for their take and help in filing an LTA report for Lokicat3345; he has been a persistent sock master who has been churning out sock puppets for more than a year. Pings: @WeatherWriter @ChessEric @Hurricanehink @Ks0stm @GeorgeMemulous @TornadoInformation12 @United States Man Hurricane Clyde 🌀 22:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Will also add @ChrisWx and @Wxtrackercody to the ping list. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 00:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
And also pinging @HamiltonthesixXmusic too. More pings may follow as I comb through archives. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 00:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
All pinged users: please see Talk:Tornadoes of 2024/Archive 3; it has some info about Lokicat that you may want to put in the LTA report should we choose to do one. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 00:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
All we can do is single out and report the IPs they’re using. There is no true way to stop them. ChessEric 01:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
But we can make it easier to spot if there is an LTA. I myself was recently duped by a Lokicat sock. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 02:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Will also add @Sir MemeGod to the ping list. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 16:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Request for LTA listing

Here’s the situation: An IP address has since September edited a number of articles on the Norwegian (no) Misplaced Pages. All edits have been the same nonsense about "God’s stew". This has been added to or replaced several random articles, and also edited other user’s posts on the "Village pump".

After being blocked indefinitely on this language version the IP started posting on user discussion and even replacing user pages for me and two other sysops on several language versions. Mainly posting the same nonsense – in Norwegian, no matter what language version – but also describing some of us as devils.

A week ago this happened on the language versions English (en), Nynorsk (nn – a variant of Norwegian), Swedish (sv) and Danish (da). Locally blocked on some of them, then globally blocked after I made a steward request.

Today a new IP showed up. It made several random vandalisms on Norwegian, but not mentioning "God’s stew" on these. The stew mentions today started on English, after it was blocked there went to Nynorsk, Danish and Simple English. When changes were reverted, the IP reverted back instantly. When I on Simple English asked for a quick deletion, and shortly described why, the IP reverted it and wrote «fake news». Again, the IP has been locally blocked (again indefinitely on Norwegian), then globally for 24 hours after I made another steward request.

Given that this nonsense and harassment has been going on for weeks, on at least six language versions and from at multiple IP addresses, I would like an LTA listing for it. Call it "LTA/God’s stew" as it’s a common factor.

The known IP addresses and user names are:

The sysops that have been victims:

The same IP also posted some of the same "God’s stew" nonsense on other user discussions at English, when they reverted.

I want an LTA for this because it is so much easier to link to it when the user in the future shows up again, instead of describing the problem over and over again when reporting on different language versions. An LTA will also make sysops on the different language versions more aware of it, and chances are they can take action even before a report is made.

Thanks! 1000mm (talk) 21:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

The IP returned today, posting on my simple-WP and meta talk page, so far. Also mentioned User:Znuddel, without tag. Locally blocked both places.
Once again, I’m begging for an LTA listing to be made. 1000mm (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
What would such an LTA page be called? Bear in mind that giving attention to disturbed people tends to excite them and WP:DENY is often best. Are you suggesting that an LTA page at enwiki would be easiest for reporting the problem at other projects? As opposed to a page at nowiki? I will block any IP or new user posting stuff such as in the contributions of the above IPs and having an LTA page would not help that (send me an email or other communication if wanted). Johnuniq (talk) 22:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
First of all, I’m glad that you will block the IP if you come across some of this, and I’m glad that other sysops have blocked for a limited time when it has happened. As said, it could be called "LTA/God’s stew".
Of the wiki projects this person have used for posting, enwiki and simple-enwiki are the only language versions that have LTA listings, according to the interwiki links. I wouldn’t have asked for a listing here if the user had posted only on other projects.
When posting Steward requests (in English) for global blocks over at Wikimedia metawiki, LTAs here at enwiki is very often referred to – no LTA listing (that I know of) are hosted on metawiki. I have referred to both LTA/KAGE and LTA/Alec Smithson here on enwiki when I have deleted content and blocked users/IPs on nowiki.
Have in mind that nowiki, nnwiki, svwiki and dawiki are small wikis, in languages that few outside the Nordic countries read. Having a small language as your native language means that almost everyone understands English pretty good, and many understands a third and even a fourth and fifth language too. All sysops on no-, nn-, sv- and dawiki will be able to read, and possibly even contribute to, an LTA here on enwiki.
If it only was nonsense posted in random articles, which it was at the beginning on nowiki, I wouldn’t ask for an LTA. It would be detected by patrollers as foreign language unrelated content and removed. But this person is now targeting three nowiki sysops on out talk pages, on five language versions where he/she knows we can’t do much more than reverting. I’m aware of WP:DENY, but in this case the IP removes speedy deletion templates too, along with re-reverting to bring back the text.
As stated, having an LTA that can be used as a reference will make it easier for sysops in various language versions to see that this is more than a local problem on said project. It’s also easier and quicker to refer to an LTA than describing every time you need to report an IP, whether it’s a local report or a global request. In addition, an LTA with a name might help sysops in different language versions to recognize and remember from the last report lasting hours or days, as opposed to remembering a sequence of 8 to 12 numbers and a report saying "posting nonsense again". 1000mm (talk) 00:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm half way between those who think LTA pages should be deleted and those who want to decorate them. I missed the "LTA/God's stew" suggestion above (we don't use curly quotes here). I can see the reason for that name but I'm uncomfortable about using a troll's motto as the identifier. Is there some variation of "LTA/Norwegian troll" that would work without being too flippant? Is that an accurate title? There could be a shortcut such as WP:LTA/Stew. Johnuniq (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Good point in not using the content as an identifier! The shortcut sounds good, for the long name I need to think of something, maybe brain storm a little with the two other sysops.
Btw, the person is back on my enwiki talk page now: User talk:1000mm. Already reverted the speedy deletion template once. The heading "Kuk" literally means "D i c k" (spacing in case of possible word filter). 1000mm (talk) 10:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
@Johnuniq: Today the person was foolish enough to make some identical edits while being logged in, with a user name that already had an indefinite block on enwiki. User quickly made him/herself eligible for the same status on nowiki and nnwiki, and it has now been globally blocked indefinitely for cross wiki spam: m:Special:CentralAuth/CheeseSupport.
As far as I’m conserned, this is more or less equal to an LTA, at least for the purpose I wanted the LTA. No matter the IP or username used or what language version it happens, we can now point to that global block, and tell it’s a sock puppet avoiding a block. 1000mm (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Let's focus on the title and then the content. For the title, what about "Stew"? Or some variation of "Norway"? If that IP continues after the week-long block, let me know and I will block for much longer. Johnuniq (talk) 02:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Just found the English word for "lapskaus": Lobscouse, but this will use his content as an identifier. "Norwegian stew" will identify it without using the same wording as the IP. 1000mm (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
How about making a draft at User:1000mm/Norwegian stew? That name would be easier to recall. When we think it is ready, you can move it to here and I can make the WP:LTA/Stew shortcut. Or, forget the draft and create Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Norwegian stew if you are ready. Johnuniq (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Good idea. I’ll try to find some time to do that. Since English isn’t my native language, I think I prefer to make a draft. Then have someone to proofread the text, both grammar wise and the choice of wording, but also in terms of what an LTA shuld have, and not have. I will of course look at some of the existing LTAs.1000mm (talk) 11:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm happy to proof read. The idea is to show the pattern and areas of interest, with a couple of diffs. Keep it brief and business like. The purpose is to allow others to judge whether a particular new user/IP is the same person (or is a troll imitating them, which makes no difference to us). Johnuniq (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Given that this is a cross-wiki vandal who makes many edits outside of English Misplaced Pages, I think we should create the LTA infopage at Meta rather than here, just like how the NTSAMR spambot has its infopage at m:NTSAMR. — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
I looked at Meta earlier, to find the equivalent of enwiki’s LTA, without luck, which is why I made the request here.
An infopage as a user subpage is a good suggestion! Since I am the main target, it can be placed at m:User:1000mm/Reports/CheeseSupport. It’s late here in Norway now, I will look into such a page tomorrow.1000mm (talk) 23:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Demographics Vandal

Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Demographics vandal#Basic information

He has his own page but is not listed here Nohorizonss (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added it to the list (which is updated manually). — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Potential new LTA

Apologies if I forget anything; I'm not good with juggling huge things like this, and I'm not massively involved in the behind the scenes stuff of Misplaced Pages beyond patrolling recent changes.

A user named User:Dolirama got into an edit dispute in November 2023, and logged out to edit war with others, as well as argue with them. On 17 November 2023, they were indefinitely blocked for "Battleground mentality, logged out editing, block evasion, etc". You can see the discussion on the user's talk page before they blanked it.

Fast forward to December 2024, and an ANI discussion regarding an IP in an edit dispute on similar articles reveals that they have continued to come back on different IPs with the same behaviour since the original incident; making edits that are challenged, arguing with users and accusing them of bullying and spreading misinformation, then switching IPs and attempting to make the edit again. They have also used another IP to "agree" with the original IP on talk pages about the accusations they make.

They primarily edit music articles, a prominent subject of which being LeAnn Rimes, although not restricted to her. Most IPs appear to be based in the United States, although one is based in the Czech Republic, implying VPN or proxy use.

The ANI discussion dug up a number of IP addresses, and there could be more not mentioned. TheNerdzilla (talk) 03:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Report any IP addresses or accounts to WP:SPI, not here. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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