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The article casts numerous and repeated aspersions alleging involvement of then Gujarat CM Shri Narendra Modi into the unfortunate riots. It also suspects the findings of Supreme Court appointed SIT, which acquitted Shri Modi of all such charges. However, conspicuously the article fails to mention anywhere that the subject SIT report acquitting Shri Modi of any wrongdoing has been accepted by three layers of Indian Judiciary, the latest being Supreme Court in June 2022. The highest court has also observed that activists like Smt Teesta Sheetalvad and some of her accomplishes tried to keep the matter alive and presented tutored witnesses during the SIT proceedings. A legal investigation into the role of all such persons has been initiated by Gujarat ATS after the subject SC verdict. ] (]) 19:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Vanamonde93}} It does seem "complex" and one reason is indeed not enough for a infobox. Even in 2017, we had 1 more option that we should get rid of the infobox but 5 years have passed and there has been no other controversy with the infobox. I agree that this new addition is even more confusing because "state terrorism" (very minority view) and "ethnic cleansing" (one of the common view) is the classification of the riot than the "cause". I agree that this parameter can be blanked again. ] (]) 07:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Vanamonde93}} It does seem "complex" and one reason is indeed not enough for a infobox. Even in 2017, we had 1 more option that we should get rid of the infobox but 5 years have passed and there has been no other controversy with the infobox. I agree that this new addition is even more confusing because "state terrorism" (very minority view) and "ethnic cleansing" (one of the common view) is the classification of the riot than the "cause". I agree that this parameter can be blanked again. ] (]) 07:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Kautilya, I trust that's okay with you? <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 07:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Kautilya, I trust that's okay with you? <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 07:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::I don't think the other two reasons - State terrorism & Ethnic cleansing - should be listed, as they have not been proven. We should stick to findings instead of some individual's opinion. Changes like this would make Misplaced Pages look like an opinion piece. ] 20:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::: Misplaced Pages is written based on ], and those sources do not agree that Godhra was the sole reason for the scale of violence that ensued. |
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::: In response to {{U|Vanamonde93}}'s earlier query, I think omiting the field is not a good idea, because somebody will come and add it again. It is easy enough to find good sources that say that Godhra caused it. But the matter doesn't end there. -- ] (]) 21:00, 26 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Sorry, I still don't like it. The parameter has no meaning here. It is sociological nonsense; things don't have singular causes. The riots were described as ethnic cleansing; how are they ''caused'' by ethnic cleansing? Entire book chapters and journal articles have been written about the genesis of this violence. We can't summarize it in three words. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Agreed ] (]) 11:02, 2 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Again, including some people's opinions as "caused by" sounds weird. That's not a fact; that's just an individual's opinion. Despite they were taken from a reliable source, they remain opinions of some individuals. Using them as a fact inside the infobox doesn't sound good. ] 13:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::How are is the link to the Godhra incident any less one person's opinion? <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 16:41, 29 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== This entire article reads like a biased Hindu-phobic propaganda. == |
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- Reflect to Supreme Court of India's verdict on the case. List the names of Godhara Train Burning convicts. |
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- Remove ridiculous propaganda terms - "State Terrorism" and "Ethnic Cleansing" under "caused by" section. |
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- Stop taking bribes from George Soros and China. |
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- Also integrity of editors responsible to contribute to the biased changes to the article in past requires thorough investigation. It's nothing short of a shameless act of information terrorism. ] (]) 11:15, 2 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Narendra Modi about irresponsible journalism by NDTV == |
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] in an informal interview , told told journalist Madhu K that “If you see the data you will see that within 72 hours we had put down the riots and brought the situation under control. But these TV channels kept on playing up the same incidents over and over again" |
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Modi then further talks about another incident of reporting by journalist ]. “In a second incident in Anjar, she played up the news that a Hanuman mandir had been broken and vandalised. I told her, “What are you up to? You are in Kutch which is a border district. There you are showing the attack and destruction of a temple. Do you realise the implications of broadcasting such news? We haven’t yet recovered from the earthquake. Have you actually done proper investigation into the riots? Why are you lighting fires for us? Your news takes a few minutes to broadcast that such and such place is unprotected or a mandir has been vandalized. But it takes for me a few hours to move the police from one disturbed location to another since these incidents are breaking out in the most unexpected places.” |
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Modi further said that when he inquired about the said incident, the administration found out that it was a small, insignificant structure under a tree which had been damaged a little bit by some crazy individual. “But ] presented it as an attack on a Hanuman mandir. When the fires were raging these journalists were pouring fuel on those fires,” he said. Subsequently, the channel was banned temporarily from broadcasting news in Gujarat as it would only lead to flaring up of communal tension. Modi had called up ] and said, “I will have to put a temporary ban on your channel if you continue with the provocative coverage. There is a well-established regulation that media should not name communities during communal riots nor identify a damaged placed as a mandir or masjid. Why are you violating that code and well set protocol about not naming communities or identifying places, of worship? You are going against established norms.”<ref>{{Cite web |title=NDTV Role in Adding Fuel to the Fire During 2002 Riots |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpsfA3FRnwo&t=119s}}</ref> |
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== Rajdeep Sardasai on modi == |
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The S.I.T as well as the supreme court have ruled that Modi was not responsible for the riots, and found no 'material evidence' against him and the other officials in the State. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). So how is it appropriate to say: 'His administration has been considered complicit in the 2002 Gujarat riots' in the lead, when the apex court has given a clean chit? ] (]) 17:49, 29 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:Our article is written based on what ] say, and the statement in question has a lot of support among reliable sources. Please note that the SIT investigation was largely into Modi himself, and its statement that there was insufficient evidence against him is included in the appropriate places. Please also read ]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 15:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::Note that the IP user has copied made several months back from another page. ] ] 12:11, 6 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Former NDTV employee, ] said that he personally believed that Modi was not responsible for the 2002 riots that followed after Godhra massacre. |
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“It is unfair of us to say that Mr Modi or anyone was responsible for the riots. He did not ask or incite violence,” said Rajdeep Sardesai,Responding to a question by journalist ], on whether Narendra Modi the then Chief Minister of Gujarat in 2002 was in any way responsible for the incident,<ref>{{Cite web |title=Rajdeep Sardesai on how TV journalism failed the Godhra riots |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S52spI8P72g}}</ref> ] (]) 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Another item to add in popular culture, or perhaps have it's own section is BBC's "The Modi Question" series released in 2022 which has been heavily criticized by the Modi government and subsequently . At the moment, a copy of the series can be found uploaded by an unofficial source on ] (]) 13:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC) |
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- Reflect to Supreme Court of India's verdict on the case. List the names of Godhara Train Burning convicts.
- Remove ridiculous propaganda terms - "State Terrorism" and "Ethnic Cleansing" under "caused by" section.
- Stop taking bribes from George Soros and China.
- Also integrity of editors responsible to contribute to the biased changes to the article in past requires thorough investigation. It's nothing short of a shameless act of information terrorism. Chinmay nayak23 (talk) 11:15, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Modi further said that when he inquired about the said incident, the administration found out that it was a small, insignificant structure under a tree which had been damaged a little bit by some crazy individual. “But NDTV presented it as an attack on a Hanuman mandir. When the fires were raging these journalists were pouring fuel on those fires,” he said. Subsequently, the channel was banned temporarily from broadcasting news in Gujarat as it would only lead to flaring up of communal tension. Modi had called up Rajdeep Sardesai and said, “I will have to put a temporary ban on your channel if you continue with the provocative coverage. There is a well-established regulation that media should not name communities during communal riots nor identify a damaged placed as a mandir or masjid. Why are you violating that code and well set protocol about not naming communities or identifying places, of worship? You are going against established norms.”
“It is unfair of us to say that Mr Modi or anyone was responsible for the riots. He did not ask or incite violence,” said Rajdeep Sardesai,Responding to a question by journalist Manu Joseph, on whether Narendra Modi the then Chief Minister of Gujarat in 2002 was in any way responsible for the incident, Aravind Sivaprasad (talk) 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
