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== "Announced military support for Israel" in the lede == | |||
== Dripping with Bias == | |||
What is meant by the statement..."Biden has addressed the COVID-19 pandemic and subsequent recession." | |||
This is so overloaded. Many would say quite the opposite. It may be true to say that he was president during those events occurring - but to make this statement sound so positive and matter of fact while Trump verbs/adjectives are all negative is quite comical. How can anyone take this site seriously when it is so unbalanced? ] (]) 20:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:he spent lots of time and energy on those issues -- ie he addressed them. And the covid rate is far down and the economy has recovered. "Bias" -- I think not. ] (]) 20:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::You or anyone is free to believe as you wish. Misplaced Pages does not claim to be the truth, only that the information presented is verifiable, see ]. Misplaced Pages does not claim to be without bias, as all sources have biases. Sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. Misplaced Pages summarizes what independent ] say. If those sources are not being accurately summarized in this article, please detail the specific errors. ] (]) 21:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::Misplaced Pages claims to hold stances from a "neutral point of view" (a.k.a. "unbiased"). This article is quite merciful towards Biden, while the Misplaced Pages page for Donald Trump is rather ruthless. For example, Trump's page says he "told lies unprecedented in American history", while Biden's page says "Mr. Biden's folksiness can veer into folklore, with dates that don't quite add up and details that are exaggerated or wrong, the factual edges shaved off to make them more powerful for audiences." | |||
:::Seriously? That's a funny way of saying "he lies to make himself look better". In fact, I bet that's what this page would have said about Trump if he said the things Biden has ] (]) 01:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Trump's lies don't make him look better. ] (]) 02:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::Adding a source: Misplaced Pages claims to hold stances from "a neutral point of view" in its 5 pillars | |||
::::https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Five_pillars ] (]) 01:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::The two gentlemen (Biden and Trump) are also different people, who have different actions to their records, and therefore their articles are different. It shouldn't come as a shock that articles about ] and ] also have different tones to them, and that is entirely neutral. --] (]) 19:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Then find some RS that says "biden lies to an unprecedented degree". ] (]) 19:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::Biden made the inaccurate categorical promise that “you’re not going to get Covid” if you’re vaccinated. Biden also went too far at the town hall when he categorically pledged that “if you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die”. Biden claims he used to drive an 18 wheeler. Biden stated he was at the top of his class in school, he was near the bottom. Biden said he visited Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue after the 2018 massacre, speaking to the rabbi,when the synagogue says he’s never even been there. He says our borders are secure. Biden claims he used to go to a black church for services. Biden claims he used to "help organize anti-segregation protests at Union Baptist Church in Delaware," when the church was asked, "they didn’t recall Biden attending the church." Biden claims he was arrested during a civil rights movement, he has never been arrested. Biden repeatedly told a story about a supposed conversation during his vice presidency with an old friend, an Amtrak train conductor, that could not possibly have happened because the man was dead at the time. Biden defended the US withdrawal in part by claiming that the concept of nation-building in Afghanistan “never made any sense to me” – though, in fact, he had explicitly advocated nation-building in the early years of the war, both in Afghanistan and more broadly. Biden was under pressure to quickly relocate Afghans who had assisted US troops, he said “the law doesn’t allow” Afghan translators to come to the US to await the processing of their visa applications. But experts in immigration law immediately said this wasn’t true, given the administration’s authority to grant “parole,” and, indeed, the Biden administration ended up using parole later in the summer to do what Biden had claimed wasn’t permitted. Biden claims under his new tax bill, no one making under 400,000 will pay an extra dime. Now, this hasn't happened yet, but you are a fool if you believe that. (87,000 new IRS agents just for people making over 400,000?) This is just a few of his proven lies. ] (]) 20:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::This is your interpretation of Biden's actions- which you are entitled to believe- but Misplaced Pages articles summarize what independent ] say about a topic. As Slatersteven noted, please find independent reliable sources that say Biden lies to an unprecedented degree. There are sources that say that about Trump, which is why we have ]. It takes a lot of staff to investigate rich people's taxes, who often have batteries of accountants working for them. ] (]) 20:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::::All politicians lie, but sometimes there is no intention to deceive, but simply misremembering things (see ]). The question is if Biden lies to an unprecedented and even ridiculous degree, as it has shown to be the case for Trump. ] (]) 22:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Quite a lot of what you wrote is just regurgitated Republican talking points. Many of them are inaccurate, such as the "". – ] (]) 22:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Infobox political office parameters == | |||
<s>{{ping|Synotia}}</s> the inclusion of his senate tenure has ''always '' been included in this article. I don't care much about the county council, but it's been there since at least , and I recall seeing it there in various times before. Furthermore, the closer of the RfC declaring that the infobox needs to be shortened wrote in the close: {{tq|keeping New Castle County Council would probably satisfy most or all participants.}} No, there is not a consensus in that RfC to remove either from the infobox, ''especially the senate one''; I skimmed through the RfC and not a single participant proposed removing the senate postion, only certain discrete committeships. Biden served in the senate for over 30 years (the majority of his political career). They both should be re-added to the infobox. ]<sup>]</sup> 15:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I think you pinged the wrong editor. It is {{u|Surtsicna}} who has removed the US Senate tenure from the infobox. Looking at ] and ], I see support for excluding the county council and committee chairmanships, but not for removing the senate tenure in full. – ] (]) 18:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::] is correct. I erred in removing the general senatorship information. ] (]) 18:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Muboshgu, thanks for letting me know I pinged the wrong editor. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
All has been repaired. Jolly good :) ] (]) 23:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
This might have been addressed before, but why does the lede mention only that Biden "announced" military support for Israel? This reads as if it was written prior to his administration in unprecedented numbers. If no one objects, I would change it to : | |||
== Why is his terms as U.S. Senator from Delaware not included in the profile? == | |||
{{cot|This is being discussed right above. No need to have two threads going. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)}} | |||
There is probably a reason as to why it is not included, but I was wondering why there was no inclusion of Biden's terms in U.S. Senate in his side profile as there is inclusion of senate terms of other presidents (i.e. Obama)? I was just wondering about this, and have a great day. ] (]) 18:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
{{green|During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent extensive military aid to Israel, as well as limited humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.}} | |||
:I don't know why it was taken out, but I'm putting it back in. – ] (]) 18:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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While we're at it, I think it's also worth using a couple of words to add that the aid was sent despite allegations of war crimes, if anyone would like to discuss that. ] (]) 14:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Skin cancer == | |||
:It can be argued that as the US has supported Israel since the 1960's its undue to single out Biden. ] (]) 14:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I don't think that it's "singling out" Biden because A) , and B) that same year ] (]) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{done}}, with the swap of "extensive" (from my original proposal) to "an unprecedented amount of", more factual. ] (]) 19:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I don't thing "unprecedented" is the correct terminology to use in the lead. While Biden has been a strong supporter for high levels of military aid, there have been similar meausres of support by prior administrations such as that of ] in the ]. ] (]) 22:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Never this much in a single year, though, which I think is quite notable. And IMO a factual stat is more descriptive + neutral than just something like "large", "extensive" ] (]) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Disagree with this. The United States has been strongly supporting Israel for many decades. To imply that this is a Biden creation is not neutral. ] (]) 22:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::@] Please explain how the sentence implies that this is a "Biden creation"? It states that the amount of military aid sent by the Biden administration since the war started is a record, which is true, as you can read for yourself. ] (]) 15:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::"Unprecedented" is hyperbolic language that suggests there is something out-of-the-ordinary about the Biden administration's support of Israel. ] (]) 22:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm entirely fine with "record amount" if that makes it clearer, but this ''is'' the largest amount of military aid ever sent to Israel by the US in a year. Clearly Biden isn't the first president to support Israel; my proposed sentence isn't saying that either. But the aid he's sent during this war is notable – not only statistically but because of human rights concerns – which is why it's been a front-page news subject for more than a year. ] (]) 09:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Update: I changed the "announced" part since no one objected to that part. Would anyone like to add something about "record amount"? I'd be interested in an RfC to see where people stand on this ] (]) 14:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I would like to ask why do you believe that it is necessary to indicate that he sent '''limited''' humanitarian aid to Gaza. Is there a consensus of sources that agree that the amount of humanitarian aid is limited? I agree that it probably is not enough, but it seems to me that calling it limited, especially without sources is ]. ] (]) 02:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::{{u|WikiFouf}} No reply?--] (]) 15:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::Sorry, wasn't very active recently. US failure in getting humanitarian aid into Gaza has been a major news topic for the past year: see floating pier saga, air dropping, 30-day ultimatum, etc. All of these failures are related to Israel limiting aid into Gaza. In any case, the military aid sent to Israel far outweighs the humanitarian aid to Gaza, so putting them side by side in the same sentence without qualifiers creates false balance imo. ] (]) 15:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::While I agree that the humanitarian aid is probably insufficient, I still find it to be a violation of ] to call it limited. ] (]) 19:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::It's literally limited, as I explained ] (]) 08:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::{{u|WikiFouf}} So once again, do you have any sources?--] (]) 14:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Don't have access to my computer at the moment, I can put sources in a couple of days. You can google the examples I've mentioned though, as I said it's been a big news topic ] (]) 14:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::@] First, for some perspective, the Biden admin has sent in military aid to Israel in a year, a historical record, and in humanitarian aid to Palestinians in the same period. Mentioning both forms of aid side by side without qualifiers is dishonest IMHO. Now here's a variety of sources talking how the humanitarian aid has been limited: | |||
::::::::* 11/24 : (Associated Press) | |||
::::::::* 11/24 : (TIME) | |||
::::::::* 10/24 : (NBC News) | |||
::::::::* 10/24 : (BBC) | |||
::::::::* 09/24 : (ProPublica) | |||
::::::::* 07/24 : (Economist) | |||
::::::::* 07/24 : (PBS) | |||
::::::::* 06/24 : (New York Times) | |||
::::::::* 05/24 : (Reuters) | |||
::::::::* 03/24 : (Washington Post) | |||
::::::::* 02/24 : (VOA) | |||
::::::::* 02/24 : (CNN) | |||
::::::::* 01/24 : (Guardian) | |||
::::::::] (]) 13:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::{{re|WikiFouf}} Most of these sources do not say that the Biden administration is sending a limited amount of aid to Gaza, but that limited aid is actually getting into Gaza, mainly due to obstruction by the Israeli government, right-wing protestors and weather. ] (]) 16:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::@] I've been interpreting it in the literal sense, as in the amount of aid is literally (being) limited; not that it's a limited amount as in "a small amount". I do agree with you that the term is not ideal and can lead to confusion, but it's a hard situation to condense properly in just a couple of words. I'm really against putting "military" and "humanitarian aid" side by side just like that, for the reasons I explained. But I'm also not sure that the humanitarian aid saga is something worth dedicating more than a couple of words to. Suggestions? ] (]) 20:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::{{U|WikiFouf}} If you also find the term to be too contentious, we can just remove the entire clause about sending humanitarian aid to Palestine, at least until a consensus can be found. We can also try an RFC. ] (]) 15:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::@] I'm fine with that, I'll remove it rn. I was already thinking an RFC could be useful to decide how to include the war in the lede in general, so I'm all for it ] (]) 21:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Biden believes he could have won re-election == | |||
Not a regular editor of this article, but should the info about his skin cancer be added into the article? ''']''' (]) 02:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:What information? ] (]) 02:44, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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:::Eh seems pretty mundane. It was a minor, common, low-risk cancer that was treated without incident. Lean ] because it will have no significant effect on his legacy. We don’t have to catalogue every little health issue a head of state has. ] (]) 04:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::This appears to be ] ]<sup>]</sup> 05:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::Here in Australia it would be rare for someone of Biden's age to have not had skin cancer. It's not major unless the news says so, and it hasn't. ] (]) 06:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Prose == | |||
"Biden signed the Respect for Marriage Act, which codified protections for same-sex marriage and repealed DOMA and the CHIPS and Science Act" it took visiting the CHIPS and Science Act page to realise that it was not among the repealed acts. This could be worded better. ] (]) 18:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
In December 2024, as was widely reported, Biden told aides he regretted his decision to withdraw from the race; believing he would have won the election as his party's nominee.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Massie |first=Graeme |date=December 29, 2024 |title=Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 race and believes he could have beaten Trump, says report |newspaper=] |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-trump-us-elections-2024-merrick-garland-b2671126.html |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Pager |first=Tyler |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Joe Biden’s lonely battle to sell his vision of American democracy |newspaper=] |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/12/28/bidens-lonely-battle-to-sell-american-democracy/ |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Tait |first=Robert |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he’d have defeated Trump |newspaper=] |url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/joe-biden-regrets-dropping-out-re-election |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Calder |first=Rich |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Biden regrets leaving presidential race, thinks he could’ve beaten Trump: report |newspaper=] |url=https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/us-news/biden-regrets-leaving-presidential-race-thinks-he-would-beat-trump/ |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Stimson |first=Brie |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 presidential race, believes he could have beaten Trump: report |publisher=] |url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-still-regrets-dropping-out-2024-presidential-race-believes-he-could-have-beaten-trump-report |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref> | |||
:That phrase was removed, addressing your issue. But I definitely think the lead should mention the CHIPS Act; it's a pretty huge policy, and one of Biden's signature achievements. ] (]) 00:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::{{re|DFlhb}} I went ahead and added CHIPs to the lead. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
This information is confirmed by multiple ] and is obviously relevant to his notability as a politician. ] (]) 15:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Biden family and the Rosenberg's == | |||
:But is it actually relevant, (assuming its true). ] (]) 15:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:"Anonymous Sources Said" is a red flag for ] articles. We're not a tabloid. ] (]) 22:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
Selling America like his father sold cheap used cars, TRAITOR ] (]) 14:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC) |
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01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)
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"Announced military support for Israel" in the lede
This might have been addressed before, but why does the lede mention only that Biden "announced" military support for Israel? This reads as if it was written prior to his administration actually sending the military aid in unprecedented numbers. If no one objects, I would change it to :
During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent extensive military aid to Israel, as well as limited humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
While we're at it, I think it's also worth using a couple of words to add that the aid was sent despite allegations of war crimes, if anyone would like to discuss that. WikiFouf (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It can be argued that as the US has supported Israel since the 1960's its undue to single out Biden. Slatersteven (talk) 14:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that it's "singling out" Biden because A) no administration has ever sent Israel this much aid in a year, and B) that same year was the deadliest of the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict WikiFouf (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Done, with the swap of "extensive" (from my original proposal) to "an unprecedented amount of", more factual. WikiFouf (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't thing "unprecedented" is the correct terminology to use in the lead. While Biden has been a strong supporter for high levels of military aid, there have been similar meausres of support by prior administrations such as that of Operation Nickel Grass in the Yom Kippur War. LosPajaros (talk) 22:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Never this much in a single year, though, which I think is quite notable. And IMO a factual stat is more descriptive + neutral than just something like "large", "extensive" WikiFouf (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't thing "unprecedented" is the correct terminology to use in the lead. While Biden has been a strong supporter for high levels of military aid, there have been similar meausres of support by prior administrations such as that of Operation Nickel Grass in the Yom Kippur War. LosPajaros (talk) 22:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree with this. The United States has been strongly supporting Israel for many decades. To imply that this is a Biden creation is not neutral. Esterau16 (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Esterau16 Please explain how the sentence implies that this is a "Biden creation"? It states that the amount of military aid sent by the Biden administration since the war started is a record, which is true, as you can read for yourself. WikiFouf (talk) 15:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Unprecedented" is hyperbolic language that suggests there is something out-of-the-ordinary about the Biden administration's support of Israel. Zaathras (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm entirely fine with "record amount" if that makes it clearer, but this is the largest amount of military aid ever sent to Israel by the US in a year. Clearly Biden isn't the first president to support Israel; my proposed sentence isn't saying that either. But the aid he's sent during this war is notable – not only statistically but because of human rights concerns – which is why it's been a front-page news subject for more than a year. WikiFouf (talk) 09:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Unprecedented" is hyperbolic language that suggests there is something out-of-the-ordinary about the Biden administration's support of Israel. Zaathras (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Esterau16 Please explain how the sentence implies that this is a "Biden creation"? It states that the amount of military aid sent by the Biden administration since the war started is a record, which is true, as you can read for yourself. WikiFouf (talk) 15:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I changed the "announced" part since no one objected to that part. Would anyone like to add something about "record amount"? I'd be interested in an RfC to see where people stand on this WikiFouf (talk) 14:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to ask why do you believe that it is necessary to indicate that he sent limited humanitarian aid to Gaza. Is there a consensus of sources that agree that the amount of humanitarian aid is limited? I agree that it probably is not enough, but it seems to me that calling it limited, especially without sources is pushing a POV. DeathTrain (talk) 02:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiFouf No reply?--DeathTrain (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, wasn't very active recently. US failure in getting humanitarian aid into Gaza has been a major news topic for the past year: see floating pier saga, air dropping, 30-day ultimatum, etc. All of these failures are related to Israel limiting aid into Gaza. In any case, the military aid sent to Israel far outweighs the humanitarian aid to Gaza, so putting them side by side in the same sentence without qualifiers creates false balance imo. WikiFouf (talk) 15:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- While I agree that the humanitarian aid is probably insufficient, I still find it to be a violation of WP:NPOV to call it limited. DeathTrain (talk) 19:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's literally limited, as I explained WikiFouf (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiFouf So once again, do you have any sources?--DeathTrain (talk) 14:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Don't have access to my computer at the moment, I can put sources in a couple of days. You can google the examples I've mentioned though, as I said it's been a big news topic WikiFouf (talk) 14:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DeathTrain First, for some perspective, the Biden admin has sent $17.9 billion in military aid to Israel in a year, a historical record, and $1.2 billion in humanitarian aid to Palestinians in the same period. Mentioning both forms of aid side by side without qualifiers is dishonest IMHO. Now here's a variety of sources talking how the humanitarian aid has been limited:
- 11/24 : Why is only limited aid getting to Palestinians inside Gaza? (Associated Press)
- 11/24 : Israel Misses U.S. Deadline to ‘Surge’ Aid for Gaza, Humanitarian Groups Say (TIME)
- 10/24 : U.S. warns Israel it may restrict military aid if Gaza humanitarian situation doesn't improve (NBC News)
- 10/24 : UN says 'trickle' of aid reaches north Gaza, as Israel denies blocking access (BBC)
- 09/24 : Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them. (ProPublica)
- 07/24 : Why food is piling up on the edge of Gaza (Economist)
- 07/24 : U.S. military’s Gaza pier, built to carry humanitarian aid, will be dismantled after weather and security problems (PBS)
- 06/24 : U.S. Pier for Gaza Aid Is Failing, and Could Be Dismantled Early (New York Times)
- 05/24 : Gaza aid piles up in Egypt, US pier delivery falters (Reuters)
- 03/24 : Dropping aid from planes is expensive and inefficient. Why do it? (Washington Post)
- 02/24 : Why Isn't Desperately Needed Aid Reaching Palestinians in Gaza? (VOA)
- 02/24 : Why only a trickle of aid is getting into Gaza (CNN)
- 01/24 : US insists it’s trying to get aid into Gaza as UN warns millions ‘at risk of famine’ (Guardian)
- WikiFouf (talk) 13:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiFouf: Most of these sources do not say that the Biden administration is sending a limited amount of aid to Gaza, but that limited aid is actually getting into Gaza, mainly due to obstruction by the Israeli government, right-wing protestors and weather. DeathTrain (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DeathTrain I've been interpreting it in the literal sense, as in the amount of aid is literally (being) limited; not that it's a limited amount as in "a small amount". I do agree with you that the term is not ideal and can lead to confusion, but it's a hard situation to condense properly in just a couple of words. I'm really against putting "military" and "humanitarian aid" side by side just like that, for the reasons I explained. But I'm also not sure that the humanitarian aid saga is something worth dedicating more than a couple of words to. Suggestions? WikiFouf (talk) 20:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiFouf If you also find the term to be too contentious, we can just remove the entire clause about sending humanitarian aid to Palestine, at least until a consensus can be found. We can also try an RFC. DeathTrain (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DeathTrain I'm fine with that, I'll remove it rn. I was already thinking an RFC could be useful to decide how to include the war in the lede in general, so I'm all for it WikiFouf (talk) 21:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiFouf If you also find the term to be too contentious, we can just remove the entire clause about sending humanitarian aid to Palestine, at least until a consensus can be found. We can also try an RFC. DeathTrain (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @DeathTrain I've been interpreting it in the literal sense, as in the amount of aid is literally (being) limited; not that it's a limited amount as in "a small amount". I do agree with you that the term is not ideal and can lead to confusion, but it's a hard situation to condense properly in just a couple of words. I'm really against putting "military" and "humanitarian aid" side by side just like that, for the reasons I explained. But I'm also not sure that the humanitarian aid saga is something worth dedicating more than a couple of words to. Suggestions? WikiFouf (talk) 20:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiFouf: Most of these sources do not say that the Biden administration is sending a limited amount of aid to Gaza, but that limited aid is actually getting into Gaza, mainly due to obstruction by the Israeli government, right-wing protestors and weather. DeathTrain (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiFouf So once again, do you have any sources?--DeathTrain (talk) 14:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's literally limited, as I explained WikiFouf (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- While I agree that the humanitarian aid is probably insufficient, I still find it to be a violation of WP:NPOV to call it limited. DeathTrain (talk) 19:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, wasn't very active recently. US failure in getting humanitarian aid into Gaza has been a major news topic for the past year: see floating pier saga, air dropping, 30-day ultimatum, etc. All of these failures are related to Israel limiting aid into Gaza. In any case, the military aid sent to Israel far outweighs the humanitarian aid to Gaza, so putting them side by side in the same sentence without qualifiers creates false balance imo. WikiFouf (talk) 15:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- WikiFouf No reply?--DeathTrain (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to ask why do you believe that it is necessary to indicate that he sent limited humanitarian aid to Gaza. Is there a consensus of sources that agree that the amount of humanitarian aid is limited? I agree that it probably is not enough, but it seems to me that calling it limited, especially without sources is pushing a POV. DeathTrain (talk) 02:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Biden believes he could have won re-election
In December 2024, as was widely reported, Biden told aides he regretted his decision to withdraw from the race; believing he would have won the election as his party's nominee.
This information is confirmed by multiple WP:RS and is obviously relevant to his notability as a politician. ZebulonMorn (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- But is it actually relevant, (assuming its true). Slatersteven (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Anonymous Sources Said" is a red flag for WP:BLP articles. We're not a tabloid. Zaathras (talk) 22:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Massie, Graeme (December 29, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 race and believes he could have beaten Trump, says report". The Independent. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Pager, Tyler (December 28, 2024). "Joe Biden's lonely battle to sell his vision of American democracy". The Washington Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Tait, Robert (December 28, 2024). "Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he'd have defeated Trump". The Guardian. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Calder, Rich (December 28, 2024). "Biden regrets leaving presidential race, thinks he could've beaten Trump: report". New York Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Stimson, Brie (December 28, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 presidential race, believes he could have beaten Trump: report". Fox News. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
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