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== I have sent you a note about a page you started ==
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Hello Itaqallah, PD-user tag means the user has released/lost all the copyrights, so there is no restriction of use of any kinds. The images which are not free for commercial purposes can not be public domain images. I am not sure the uploader at wikipedia and flickr are same. I am not sure about your second question. Could you explain it again. Regards, ] <sup>(]/])</sup> 12:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, I do agree with you. Once a user releases the image in public domain. (S)He could not expect to get any credits from the other users of the image. I would like to thank you for trying to contact the uploader. If the uploader on flickr and Vcrs are same then please request her to change the license on flickr accordingly. Thanks, ] <sup>(]/])</sup> 13:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

== Slaves ==

This is disingenuous, you can easily verify that information yourself. ] 19:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:do you recall my explanation as to why any such attempted verification by myself would be insufficient? ] 19:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
::If it's in the book that's all that matters; having ascertained that you will have verified it. ] 20:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:::in fact, no it isn't all that matters. part of verification includes checking the accuracy of the translation (such as for the brief overview attributed to him), as well as ensuring that he has been faithfully represented. ] 20:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

==assessmnet log==
Salam alaykum.

Do you know why this page is empty?--] 04:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:will try to find out soon.. ] 10:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


==Armyrifle==
Yep, I reverted in October. Masha'Allah. Though, I would like to ask you what Madhab do you follow, and what are your thoughts on music?

I've taken to following the Hanafi Madhab, but I'm getting conflicting views on music...

JazakAllahu Khair ] 23:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why you are reluctant to declare your choice of madhab to the wikiworld. ] 07:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:i see no reluctancy, you need to drop the presumptions. i simply prefer not to use wikipedia as a forum for my personal views. ] 16:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::Interesting response. ] 20:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== Hkelkar ==

Thank you for notifying me of the CU case. I was aware of the results of the CU and have ]. Regards, - ] (]) 15:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
: . Thanks once again. - ] (]) 10:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

==Prisoners of War in Islam==
Salam (peace),
I see you've been editing Priosners of War in Islam. Feel free to copy an paste from an already neutral and well-referenced section: ]. No need to re-invent the wheel.] 01:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:wonderful, thank you. ] 01:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

== Re:Salah ==
Hmmm. Yeah. I was looking for "Salah" in Encyclopedia of Islam but there was no article on that. There was however an article on "Salat". But you must be right. Cheers, --] 02:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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Itaqallah, I wonder if you might not have something to contribute to this active discussion.] 08:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:it's a theory which is hardly entertained by academics. those who do mention it seem to be refuting it, as in R. Marcus's review of D. Nielsen's original piece about this moon-god theory where he underlines some rather significant flaws (cf. Journal of Near Eastern studies, vol. 6, #1, p.60). apart from that, i haven't found very many academics actually discussing this theory let alone giving it credence. a lot of the books in that google search provided on the talk page simply mention nothing of this theory, while others are simply not academic. one of the most recent proponents has been missionary ], and this is probably where the theory gained popularity in terms of internet polemic. i'm still looking around for any more academic commentary on this theory. ] 15:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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Itaqallah, I'd like to draw your attention to ]. This is ridiculously unencyclopedic, wouldn't you agree?] 08:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


== Attention Please ==

has the last line suspecious. I think the last one and a hafl line of this paragraph is not correct. Please correct it if it is wrong. Wassalaam ] 10:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== For the welcome ==

I thank you for your welcome, Itaqallah (and appreciate your username). I hope to become, in time, an active member and contribute to the greater good. I'm very interested in keeping my opinions from influencing my work and equally interested in removing the forceful and destructive opinions of others. There's a lot of cleaning up to be done. Although I jump around everywhere, I am -for obvious reasons- heavily interested in Islam-related topics, which I see is your main interest. I look forward to working with you. Peace. --] 19:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:no problem at all. i wish you all the best in your wiki activities. if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. ] 19:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

Greetings. Thanks for explaining for revert of my removal of what I consider to be a false translation of the shahadah. However the 'reference' is a polemical and not a scholarly site. If there is a well-established dictionary which has 'ilah' translated as 'God worthy of worship', we can let that 'translation' stand. Indeed, in your comment on my userpage you admit that it is not a translation, which makes me wonder why you reverted. I agree that it would be relevant to put this ''interprepation'' somewhere in the article, as such, rather than as a translation.

Additionally, this 'translation' (unintentionally) opens up the implication of polytheism, which I'm sure all Muslims would want to avoid.

Peace, ] 06:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

==Islamic propaganda pages==
The article is biased and unencyclopedic. I am obviously not the only person who thinks so. Get over yourself. IF and ONLY IF you promise that you and your friends will not start an edit war, will I participate in the article besides keeping the tags in place. I have no desire to have you start another edit war and then have your friends the biased admins step in to abuse their power again. The tags, however, are perfectly valid and remain until the article is fixed or deleted.] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
If you consider this inflammatory, get over yourself. I'm staying within the bounds of policy and that's that. If you promise not to edit war, then I'll contribute. Otherwise, YOU are the one who is deliberately making it so others can't contribute, so the tags stay. ] 17:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== Hypo on wikipedia ? ==
Is an admin of wikipedia? I wonder what lame one-liners he is sending on the talk pages about ] (SAW). Totally illogical. No answer to the dozens of points raised by the wikipedians against the picture, but just sending one lines to give the illusion as if many people are supporting the picture on the article . How can I know if this user is admin? Some people are pretty cheap here, they dont feel any responsibility to answer the points but just to cast their vote and run away.
] 05:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:VirtualEye was posting incoherent essays about his feelings. ] 05:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

: I express what 'I' feel or have opion about right or wrong. Because I have my own brain in my head and my own conscience. Sorry, if you do not express what 'you' feel or think about right or wrong then I will be justified to conclude that you have someone else's brain in your head. This seems funny, but alas its not.] 09:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:: Oh. I'll try to understand that it's not funny. ] 03:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

==Canvassing==
The only reason I did it is because someone was trying to stop the debate citing ]. ] 17:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe you can inform me as to what I should ignore in advance next time. ] 17:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you have an impersonator: . ] 01:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

:Your style edit, your style edit summary. ] 01:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the warning, that's an improvement. ] 19:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Nice try. I'm flattered that you'd go to the trouble of impersonating me on a forum just to try to get me blocked from wikipedia. You really could have done a better job. I assure you that no matter how many times you try to get me blocked from wikipedia I will never enter a state of submission. ] 21:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

::::I would hate to be responsible for provoking you to incivility. Please, calm down. ] 22:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== Tagging ==

It is interesting that some of those editors who complain about "tagging" are comfortably add tags to the articles. --] 22:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Science and technology refs in Islam page ==

Hi Itaqallah. I know that the unreferenced nature of the section is a big gap in the article. However, I'm going to have some trouble finding all the necessary refs. I added the section as a kind of stub placeholder because it is so important within the history of the Muslim world, as I'm sure you'll agree. I wrote it up mainly from the articles that it references. Some of them cite their references, others not. In the meantime, if you can suggest a good text for an overview, I'll look it up. ] 23:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry I haven't done more on this and I'm going to be on wikibreak now. I have found some book references which look to be relevant and hope to look them up, with a view to adding them when I'm back, or may email them to someone who can help.] 22:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

You voiced your opinion in the original straw poll which has caused some confusion. Please do the same in a new version, ], which should be clear and allow us to better assess consensus. ] ] 22:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

==Poll on every little issue==
Please sign if any of these things applies to your understanding of this issue. Please put you name under ''all'' of the options you think would be acceptable. You can sign all or none of these, I'm hoping this will give us a more-fine grained understanding of the issue. ] 23:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

==Shia Sahaba? /notable shia muslims==
Salam Alaykum. I think this part cause misunderstanding and we should add some notice there. I put a comment in ]. Please read it and write your idea there. God bless you.--] 03:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

==The Prophet Muhammad image dispute==
Assalamualikum,
I have a suggestion, based on wiki policies of ], ], to solve the dispute over images of our beloved Prophet.

I have put a template ] as to how we should resolve the dispute. Please leave a comment regarding this on my talk page. If you like this template please don't put it up yourself. I am looking for some sort of concensus. If you don't like the template please leave a suggestion for improving it.] 03:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

==go ahead==
Assalamualikum ] 07:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Is blocked now... I agree with you that the removal of the lead image on ] doesn't fall under ]. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 20:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

==Eid Mubarik Stamp==
Assalam-o-Alliakum, I have uploaded ], hence use it. Wassalam. --- ] 17:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


==ALI SINA ==
Trying to get your attention towards the Faith Freedom page. My eidts are being deleted for no reason. I have made some comments regarding the article and its presentation. which violates many of the Wiki rules.

would you like to discuss. I am not against deleting the article or anything. Rather i am for putting the article in its right perspective. for example.1) the article alleges that it has 20,000,000 visitors. I agree however i state that it has only 1200 members who write ever wrote on its fourmns. I state that all the stuff on the website is read around only 10,000 times out of the 20,000,000 visitors it had. all this has been referenced by me (site meter is the ref:)Aditionally each visitor spends 5 minutes or less on the entire site and less than 5 seonds on each page.

Then there are violations of references. No outside references are given. If given they are reports of Ali sina himself. How can that be credible when speaking about his own self.
] 04:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

== Reversion ==

You are removing sourced material and claiming that you are removing OR. I suggest that you remove the material which is not sourced and address any issues you have with sourced material methodically. ] 18:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not that FFI poster by the way. This is actually quite funny. ] 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

::I think you're biting the newbies or whatever they call it. It might be easier for you to revert everything but what you should do is remove the OR and discuss the rest. ] 18:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:::No, that itself wasn't biting. ] 18:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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== Muhammad caligraphy ==
We need to find more caligraphy of Prophet. What you think about , do you think anyone may go in lead. Furthremore, these coins also have calligraphies them too . I will welcome your comments about these pages. Wassalam. --- ] 16:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


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: Very old stoned ayats etc . We can have them all on wikipedia because {{]}}. Wassalam. --- ] 17:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


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Please do not add unsourced names to this article; adding unsourced names of living people is a violation of ]. If you want to improve the article find sources for any names you would wish to add. ] 01:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
*One person's settled fact is another person's contentiousness. As for the dead; without sourcing including them violates ]. They need sourcing too. ] 01:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
**If you want to add back all the dead people and tag them all for cites, be my guest, I prefer not to add unsourced material myself but to each his/her own. ] 01:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


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Levy p.79 'the children of the marriage of two slaves are slaves and belong to the owner of the woman. '''Bold text'''If the free man marries a female slave not his own, the children become the property of the woman's master (author note: this is case also if the children of a slave girl are born of an irregular union.)'''Bold text'''
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... '''Bold text'''The children of the married slave-girl (not an umm walad) will be slaves and belong to her owner, whether their father is a slave or a free man.'''Bold text'''<br /><br />News to you.
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:thanks for the clarification. you have misread: he is not talking about children borne from the master and his slave. he is talking about children the woman already has. ] 14:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
:: you made the remark on my talk that 'any child born with at least one parent free is also free' and I provided the passage which shows you that, unfortunately due to the nature of Islam, it is only the case where the one parent owns the other as slave
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:any children that a master has by his slave are free. ] 16:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
::I admit fault in my latest revert at ]. ] 01:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:::your recent contributions suggest that you have been spontaneously, habitually, and disruptively reverting over a series of articles, without really looking at exactly what you've been reverting to. what i find worrying is that, from at least my perspective, you seem to be acting the meatpuppet, and reverting "''''" DavidYork, who unfortunately saturates his contributions with less than neutral original research (as you know full well), merely illustrates this concern. ] 03:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Indeed not. Your incivil accusations of such have not gone unnoticed, however. Your wholesale reverts are the source of any problem you have with my edits the last couple of days. In the instance I referred to above, I didn't look at the whole diff. Having realized the extent of the removals I noted my mistake here and on DavidYork's talk page. ] 07:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::wholesale reverts are the only way to deal with wholesale violation of wikipedia policy. i see nothing "incivil" about my observations. ] 17:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


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Hey there. I know that a certain editor is causing frustration. But we have to be careful about how we tackle it. large scale reversions just aren't going to work on this one. Help me slowly but steadily work through each issue with clearly stated reason for each step. I know it's frustrating. Notice how i went through a lot of his edits from 6 march and commented on each one. And I documented each step. Documented, rational, well-argued reasoning will win out - not reversion wars. For example, i went through a number of his on-line citations and proved that he had misrepresented them, and I modedifed the article to reflect what the references actually said - I am sure you agree this is a good result. As I documented it in the talk and edit summaries, we can go back and refer to it when tackling it. I've found that this approach eventually wins out with him. Help me on this one please. :-) Of course I'm open to suggestions and your opinion on the battle. kind regards. ] 23:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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I guess you aren't going to let anyone know how the Black Stone is going to have two eyes and a tongue to explain itself. And in citing a source; this would be difficult since nobody knows about this aspect of the Black Stone; at least no one besides you and me at this point: and Gabriel; the "voice of God" who was walking around in Paradise singing when he found Adam and Eve hiding in the bushes. Could you put what I wrote back and just take out the "hidden signifigance" part?] 01:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC) let me know!
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Itaqallah, you wrote, "as for consensus, the previous consensus version was a lead without any image." A few questions:
*When was this consensus in effect?
*What evidence, if any, shows that there was such a consensus? (There may be some, but I've not yet seen it.)
*Upon what considerations was this consensus based? (It was only mid-way through mediations that I'd heard any argument other than that after religious taboo.)
*How many editors were involved in this decision?
:] 10:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::from ]: "''"Silence equals consent" is the ultimate measure of consensus — somebody makes an edit and nobody objects or changes it.''" - for as long as i can remember prior to this dispute (i've been checking through the history: , and probably even a year on top of that), there was no lead image, and this was one of the constants in the numerous disputes involving the lead. when a disruptive editor then recently decided to edit war in order to include a lead depiction, many editors removed it. as we know, the page was then locked on that version, rewarding the unilateral efforts of the edit warrior (he certainly racked up 4+ reverts in much less than 24 hours). ever since, there has been dispute over the lead images. i took the image out of the lead as soon as the article was unprotected, stating that there was no consensus on what we were to do regarding the lead, and we shoud thus return to the previous version until we conclude mediation. hope that answers your questions. ] 00:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


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ItaqAllah, explain to me the vandalism you committed by removing VALID links to FFI and Prophet Of Doom.net in ]. As Arrow said, "attempt to justify your edit on the talk using ]". Go on now. --] 13:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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:wouldn't it help to look at the before trying to assert yourself in such an uncivil manner? it would also help to look at the edit itself: i didn't remove POD. ] 07:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Merzbow is wrong: FFI is not an extremist hate site as I discussed on that Talk page for that article. You should have not taken out the links without giving solid arguments first. Relevant links will stay in all articles. And sorry, ] is a part of Islam. Further, the link to FFI had been sitting in that section since a LONG time. It wasnt until I moved that section to the right where it belongs and because that section has more prominence now, suddenly you had a problem with it. Nothing surprising, seeing the nature of your edits and those of similiar users.--] 13:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Matt, do not troll on my talk page. please read the talk page guidelines, and comply accordingly. i trimmed the website because a) the links were unnecessary, and; b) it unbalances the EL section, there should be equal number of critical/apologetic links. ] 17:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::ItaqFAllah, please dont accuse me of trolling and putting false labels on me. a) The links are necessary. b) You are welcome to introduce more Apologetic links in that section. The SAQ link will stay. c) It does not unbalance the EL section. This article is about the Criticism of Islam, hence the links reflect that. --] 18:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::"Nothing surprising, seeing the nature of your edits and those of similiar users", such comments are known as trolling. for someone who has been demanding i cite WP:EL, it is ironic that you overlooked ]. either balance the section, or please self-revert. thank you. ] 19:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::No, such statements are not known as trolling, thats false. Please dont accuse people of trolling again. Now: the page says "On articles with multiple points of view, the number of links dedicated to one point of view should not overwhelm the number dedicated to other equal points of view, nor give undue weight to minority views." - 80% of the world doesnt believe that Mohammed was a prophet, which means 80% of links in any article about Islam should be non-Muslim in nature. Do you agree to enforce this policy now? I will however attempt to bring in some links to balance the section out, however the SAQ will stay. Actually you should be doing this, so why dont you go ahead and balance the section by bringing in links from your point of view? --] 19:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::actually, i shouldn't be "doing this", i tried balancing the section only to be reverted. so please do go ahead and balance it. my 'point of view' is irrelevant on Misplaced Pages. ] 19:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::As I said, if we have less than 80% of the links on any article about Islam, which are non-Muslim in nature, that is unbalanced. If you want to balance that section, you will have to bring in sites from the other point of view.--] 19:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::non sequitur. why don't you focus on the issue at hand? by your flawed logic, the number of Muslims vastly outnumbers the numbers of critics. in cases like this, we are not to present one view more dominant than the other. again, i will re-iterate: demonstrate your adherence to wikipedia policy and balance the section you unbalanced, else i will simply take it upon myself to balance the section how i see fit, in accordance with WP:EL that says we keep links to a minimum (i.e. we don't need websites rehashing the same polemic). ] 19:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Wrong. The number of critics of Islam vastly outnumbers the number of Apologetics of Islam. You're comparing the number of civilians to number of critics. Likewise the civilian population is outnumbered as well, 1:5 (1 billion:6 billion). Pro-Islamic opinions are thus a minority, according to your own argument. We are not to give undue weight to minority opinions. Favourable opinions of Islam are a minority opinion then, as compared to unfavourable opinions of Islam. You can take out whatever links you want to right now, but in the end the links will be back and the section will be better than before, you can count on that. Some links are crucial and will remain. Also if you wont take off that Quranic verse from your home, do you mind if I insert some of my own verses and hadiths on my user page? Quoting Quran and hadith is not wrong I guess, since you are doing that as well. --] 19:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Favourable opinions of Islam are a minority opinion then, as compared to unfavourable opinions of Islam.", no, because most Muslims will naturally have a pro-Islam opinion, whereas there's no certainty that most non-Muslims possess an anti-Islam point of view. "The number of critics of Islam vastly outnumbers the number of Apologetics of Islam" that's not remotely verifiable, and it's probably spurious. i'm enjoying underlining the flaws of your arguments, but i'd imagine we should keep the number of apologetic/critical links equal to not favour one opinion over the other. ] 20:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
<r> Like I said, you can bring in links from your point of view but dont delete valid links just because you didnt find links from the other side. Alright, soon you'll be seeing a verse from the Quran or a hadith on my user page. I'll try to pick some nice ones. If anyone has a problem with that, we'll bring it and take out your verse here as well to be fair.--] 20:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:"Like I said, you can bring in links from your point of view but dont delete valid links just because you didnt find links from the other side." EL states linking should be minimal. a number of the websites rehash the same polemic. what's needed here is trimming, not bloating. also, ]. my user page is demonstrably in violation of no wikipedia policy, make sure yours isn't either. ] 20:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Mine isnt either now. Do you agree with my latest user page? I dont think Point applies to a User page and I dont think it is wrong to quote the Quran or Hadith on our user pages. You have done so and so can anyone else. Or else explain how my quoting is a violation and yours is not. --] 20:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::WP:POINT applies to all aspects of wikipedia. ] 20:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::What I did was not trying to prove a point. A verse quotation is a verse quotation, just like your page, like other people's pages. Please dont try to apply every little Misplaced Pages policy where its not even applicable. Have a look: ]. Let me know if there's a better verse/hadith I can put there. I'd rather have just one though.--] 20:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::that's funny, i didn't know wikipedia policy wasn't applicable on wikipedia.. better make a note of that one. ] 20:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::What I meant was, you are trying to apply POINT on my user page and it does not apply as I am not trying to prove a point. Well thanks for inspiring me to also have an Islamic quotation on my user page. There are SO many to choose from, I had to choose a good one, actually its the first quote on the POD link you wanted to get deleted from ProtectWomen's page. Thanks again. I think we are done here. I will review the EL links on the Criticism pages some other time. --] 21:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


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I asked what the POV concerns were in that section. You said it was about the language of its leadin, which I reformed and then removed the pov-section tag. Now you want the tag back and I have complied. Is there anything else? POV-tagging without specifying reasons on talk doesn't aid editing.] 07:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


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In your edit , you added ]. How does this belong to this template? What is 'controversial' about this link? This is a case of murder. There was nothing religious involved here. Theo Van gogh is obviously an exception. His murder was religiously or should I say, Islamically motivated as the murderer indicated. This list needs cleanup. --] 15:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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