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==Io Saturnalia!==
== Joseph Smith article - upcoming nomination at FAC ==


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Hi Buidhe! I am here to let you (as well as the other FAC coordinators on their talk pages) know that ] and I intend to nominate the ] article for Featured Article status within the next few weeks. After spending some time lurking at WP:FA and WP:FAC though, I notice that this article is lengthier and more complex than most of the articles that are nominated. I think the length is justified: Smith was and remains a very complex and controversial figure. And of course, just being complex and controversial with a long article doesn't necessarily disqualify a topic from FA status (for example, see ]).
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== nomination ==
That said, I'm wondering if you have any specific thoughts, questions, or comments before we jump into things? I think the length and complexity of the material has turned off some reviewers from doing a deep dive into it in the past. For example, a 2013 PR request failed to attract a single reviewer or even a comment. Is there anything you recommend to offset this a little bit?


Thanks in advance! ] (]) 04:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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I have nominated ] - again - please take a look and criticize at will. Here: ] ] (]) 23:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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* As hard as parts of it were to read, what an absolute masterpiece you have worked on, Buidhe. A topic like this has got to be one of the most technically difficult areas to bring up to a professional standard, but you did it. A privilege to read, truly. — ]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 12:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


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Please note that The World War II Talk page "'''is''' ] '''for general discussion of the article's subject."''' it is not a place to discuss editors' opinions on new books about WWII. If you have a suggestion for a specific addition to the article please provide it with appropriate sources. ] (]) 11:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
==Armenian genocide and the Holocaust==
With respect to your revert there, what was it you were trying to do exactly? I can't tell from your edit summary and suspect a misclick ] (]) 09:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


:{{u|Elinruby}} not a misclick. See the "debating genocide" chapter. Why have you added a failed verification tag when on the cited page it literally says "There can be no doubt, from the evidence I have presented in the previous chapters, that the Nazis knew of and were (at least in part) inspired by the Armenian Genocide." (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 14:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC) :{{u| Aemilius Adolphin}} Your overzealous attempt to unilaterally police the talk page are in fact likely to be considered edit warring, if reported. If it's controversial or other editors disagree, you should not be removing others' comments on talk pages. I am asking you to self revert. (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 22:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::You are right that I was overzealous in reverting your contribution to the talk page. I apologise for this. However, if you start a Talk topic called "Interesting new book" and then ask people to comment on a summary of this book you shouldn't be surprised if someone thinks you are inviting other editors to enter into a general debate about this book. It would have been better to start a topic called something like: "Estimates of Civilian Deaths" and then propose a change to the info box based on cited page numbers of this book. Also the question you posed is already canvassed in the article so it appeared to me that you hadn't even read the article. Nevertheless I should have answered you question on your Talk page or on the article Talk page as I have now done. Again I apologise for not taking your question seriously. I hope you have a great new year and that I wake up less cranky than I was. ] (]) 22:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


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:::Thank you for restoring this question. The source is on the same topic alright but the source does not support your text when read as a whole. There is a very big however that follows the quoted statement. It also says nothing about the 1920, the German press, or any decisions that undefined nationalists might have made. At least not on p. 333. In addition, he does not "conclude" this, as the sentence you quote is not his conclusion. It is X in an argument that seems to go "while X, and also Y, the parallels are unmistakable." Maybe he goes into the press and so on earlier in the book; that would be just fine if cited to that page. Also FYI I removed the 4-5 citations to Jewish Virual Library per ] (]) 02:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
::::{{u|Elinruby}} The content about the great genocide debate is covered elsewhere in Ihrig's book, a different page number should be cited for it. As for the conclusion about the Nazis being inspired by the Armenian genocide, if you don't believe it is supported by the cited source I suggest posting on ] to see if this view has any merit. What JVL cites? (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 03:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::yes, the correct page number needs to be cited. Hadn't thought of NORN. Re JVL, if that's confusing. let me double-check that. I edited several aricles about the Holocaust in Armenia last night. My main point however about that was just to inform you -- I also missed the RfC at the time, and did not know this until it was pointed out to me. ] (]) 03:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Aha, that was at ]. I see you have never edited it; perhaps you would like to, if you are interested in the topic, as there are also cites there to genealogy projects and Armenian weeklies that look questionable. I left those for the moment so as not to tag bomb it too harshly. In any event, please feel free to remove the failed verification tag on ] once it has been addressed. Thanks ] (]) 03:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::???? There was no Holocaust in Armenia. It was never occupied by any of the Axis powers. (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 05:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Um? I am unsure what you are saying. I am looking at articles on the period and Armenia has come up in a couple of places. Let me try this again.
:::::::::#The JVL references were in another article, in which you may be interested. Or not, your call.
:::::::::#You should not have deleted the cn tag on the unsourced statement, so I have replaced it.
:::::::::#The citation for the next sentence, to which you referred me, does not substantiate the sentence it follows, or the one before it on which I placed the cn tag.
:::::::::#The tags can be removed when the problems are corrected.
:::::::::::Over and out. ] (]) 05:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


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I am taking it to mean that you do not stand by your revert of my tagging and will be replacing the citation needed tag. The sentence that follows the one in question is indeed cited, but ''that'' source fails verification. If you do not want to do as my tagging suggests, then fine, but the referencing in that article mostly fails RS and the attention of other editors needs to be drawn to the article. Please note that both the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide fall under the contentious topic guidelines. Thank you. ] (]) 00:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

:Based on your comments above I have little faith in your ability to edit articles to accurately reflect what the sources say. The sources cited in that article are fine, although I don't really care about it anymore. You don't seem to even be able to correctly leave a contentious topics notice. (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 01:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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:Cheers @], that is very good to know. When @]<nowiki/>told me that all images needed to be PD-US, I was terrified because I very often use the PD-UK-Unknown tag. Because my specialist area is the British Empire in the 20th century, I use this tag quite often. ] (]) 18:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
::{{u|The History Wizard of Cambridge}} I apologize for what I wrote, which was misleading. CC licensed images are OK (if there is compatible licensing) because they have been freely licensed by the copyright holder. Images that are PD-UK but not PD-US (or freely licensed by the copyright holder) are not okay, certainly not in enwiki, because our servers are located in the US and we have to comply with US copyright law. Admittedly there are some commons users who believe that if an image is PD in one country but not the US it should be allowed on commons unless there is a takedown request, but that does not mean such images are ok to use on enwiki. Similarly, there are a lot of outright copyvios on commons and you may not use those either. (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 18:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:::@] you're the first editor in my three years of editing wikipedia to tell me I can't use PD-UK-Unknown. Why does the tag even exist on wiki if I can't use it? You must be mistaken, unless you can show me otherwise. ] (]) 18:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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== Holocaust in Poland ==

I wanted to raise one point, as I see that you are involved in the re-write of the Holocaust in Poland article. I think that in the Background section it should be mentioned that for a time Poland was a shelter to Jews who were being persecuted and expelled from other parts of Europe. I raise this issue not to sugar-coat the history of Jews in Poland, but this was a legitimate reason why so many Jews ended up in Poland by the end of the middle-ages, eventually leading to the later events of the 20th century. However, I don't want to jump in and start re-writing the section and instead allow others to clean up the text first, but I do think this fact explains why such an exodus from western Europe to Poland happened in the first place, and there are numerous sources which cover this topic. ] (]) 17:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:{{u|E-960}} While I'm not necessarily opposed to including such content, one must also consider balance; most of the sources specifically about the Holocaust in Poland that cover background information focus on the interwar period, so that should receive more wp:weight. Also, also suggests also that these migrations had multiple causes including economic reasons. (] &#183; ]) ''']''' 18:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


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I don't think that this AFD discussion was a good candidate for a NAC closure. Opinion was divided and it could have been closed as "No consensus". I realize that you are an experienced editor but in the future, try to pick AFD discussions to close that don't seem like they might be contested, where it is obvious what the closure should be. This seems like a close call to me. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 17:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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Your addition to World War II Talk

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Please note that The World War II Talk page "is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." it is not a place to discuss editors' opinions on new books about WWII. If you have a suggestion for a specific addition to the article please provide it with appropriate sources. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Aemilius Adolphin Your overzealous attempt to unilaterally police the talk page are in fact likely to be considered edit warring, if reported. If it's controversial or other editors disagree, you should not be removing others' comments on talk pages. I am asking you to self revert. (t · c) buidhe 22:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
You are right that I was overzealous in reverting your contribution to the talk page. I apologise for this. However, if you start a Talk topic called "Interesting new book" and then ask people to comment on a summary of this book you shouldn't be surprised if someone thinks you are inviting other editors to enter into a general debate about this book. It would have been better to start a topic called something like: "Estimates of Civilian Deaths" and then propose a change to the info box based on cited page numbers of this book. Also the question you posed is already canvassed in the article so it appeared to me that you hadn't even read the article. Nevertheless I should have answered you question on your Talk page or on the article Talk page as I have now done. Again I apologise for not taking your question seriously. I hope you have a great new year and that I wake up less cranky than I was. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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