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I believe you deleted per the AfD discussion, and the main proponent has it. I thought a deletion review process would be in store if there was objection to the AfD process. Can you clarify what's happening here? Thanks! --] <sup>]</sup> 20:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I have redeleted the article and yes, Deletion review is the correct process. ] ] ] 20:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but, I'm sorry to say . --] <sup>]</sup> 21:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:*Excellent; I see you've taken care of this for now ... --] <sup>]</sup> 21:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi...you've recently relisted ] to generate further discussion... I'm still concerned this AfD has not been listed as a second nomination: the first result was '''keep.''' (].) Aren't all 2nd nominations meant to be clearly marked for those who do not read everyone else's statements, but prefer to simply look at the article and respond? Can AfDs be closed and relisted, or do 1st nomination dates have a natural expiry date? I'm still fairly new and curious, thanks. Regards, --] 03:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Er huh? According to the article, , it says "This article is being considered for deletion for the 2nd time in accordance with Misplaced Pages's deletion policy." That seems pretty clearly marked to me. The link goes to which is "Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/New South Wales University Theatrical Society (2nd nomination)". It seems pretty clear that it is a second nomination.

As for the relisting procedure, all AFD's have a 5 day period. On the 5th day, if a clear consensus is reached, the article is kept or deleted or whatever the consenus was. If no clear consenus is reached on the 5th day, or if not enough people have offered an opinion on the article, it can be "relisted", which simply extends the current nomination beyond another 5 days, it doesn't make it a new one. ] ] ] 05:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

:* Very strange: I wonder how come the 2nd nomination info doesn't show up ], in the Australia related forum? Oh well.... Thanks. Kind regards, --] 05:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

::Probably because whoever included it there messed up. Oh btw, I'm working on your issue with deleted material on ] now. I believe Pak21 is confused. See my comments on his talk page. ] ] ] 05:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you! I think Pak may have been partially correct, though. Aside from returning the links and references to the calendars, I did come back at a second time and attempt to merge material from ] and ] because I thought they would make good examples and both articles were quite short. I thought I was being ], but both articles were still under discussion on the AfD boards (no decision had been made, but both were later deleted). I still think they were fine, but Pak (though tending to be a bit rude) is probably correct...I shouldn't have merged the material. The copyvio he refers to was me not crediting the original material. My reaction was mostly due to the fact he threatened further punitive action, instead of checking to see if a mistake had occurred first.

:::If you could revert the article back to include the links (redlinks and external) and passing mentions of the calendars, I'd appreciate it. (That's the way the article was to begin with. Also, I'd like to hear back if you think the merged material is suitable. It's kind of you to think to do this. Warm regards, --] 08:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

:I really, ''really'' suggest you learn what the GFDL says before you go any further. To quote from the ]: "You should exercise '''extreme caution''' before merging any part of the article. If you ] but the community ultimately decides to delete the content, all your mergers must be undone. (This is necessary in order to remain compliant with the requirements of ]). It is far better to wait until the discussion period is complete unless there is a strong case for merge under the ]. This is not an issue, however, if the merged content is not merely copied and pasted, but instead completely rewritten so that only uncopyrightable facts are transferred, not copyrightable expression." The GFDL requires that all material be attributable to its original author; because the original has been deleted, that information is no longer available (to the general reader), so it is a copyright violation. Section 4(B) of the GFDL if you're really not aware of it. --] 08:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::* I believe I understand: that means I can ask for temporary undeletions of all the removed articles to retrieve the authors Wikitags ('names') and merge the content back to appropriate parent articles? If so, fantastic! (Win-win situation). Regards, --] 08:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Easier would just be a history-only undelete. However, at least for ], there was a clear consensus at AfD ''against'' merging the material (all of myself, Black Falcon and 4.246.200.154 recommend against merge), so I would ask you why you believe there is a consensus for this action?
::It strongly believe it is still a copyright violation. That material was not written by you (or ], therefore neither of you can add it to any article without crediting the original author as required by section 4(B) of the GFDL. --] 16:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::OK... I believe the material is a direct copy from the deleted articles ] and ]. Will you please check for me? --] 16:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Of course I realise that. However, the history is not viewable by a non-admin (ie 99.999% of the world's population). This does not satisfy the attribution requirement. --] 16:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::As you've now seen, the consensus on the adminstrator's noticeboard is that that the attribution must be publicly viewable, despite your assertions to the contrary. Personally, I am somewhat shocked that an admin involved in the deletion process could have such a fundamental misunderstanding of the GFDL. --] 16:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

::Further, I'm ''well'' aware of how the deletion process works, and the difference between notability and verifiability. I have explained the reasoning for my removal of the deleted information at ]; this action has been confirmed as correct ("On the other hand, if Pak had provided an edit summary that justified removal of the information based on the absence of an appropriate reference, that would be irrefutably correct.") by ] at ]. --] 08:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::* Hmmmm....I think that quote may be a bit out of context, given prior discussions with other editors about the suitabity of these references, the terms of ] and the fact that similar edits made by other editors exist on other pages Pak has chosen not to revert. IMO...I'm curious to know, though. Regards, --] 08:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::The fact I have not reverted every such action across all of Misplaced Pages does not mean that it is incorrect to revert such edits in one article. ] et al. --] 09:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Pak, you appear to be quite handy with ''guidelines'' except for ], but still tend to ignore all points made that you can't refute completely (as above), so I find you quite difficult to communicate with in any real sense of the term.
:::::You have reverted all changes SwatJester made again, including the redlinks and external links that were there before, and I still do not understand your reasoning in doing so. In the interest of consensus, I'd like to hear from others on this point...I'm not interested in more ], and suspect it is wrong to keep doing this regardless. --] 09:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::: And I don't believe the result of ] was 'against' a merge. --] 09:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for making a report {{#if:{{{1|}}}|about {{userblock|{{{1}}}}}}} on ]. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Misplaced Pages and ] to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to ] users if they have received a recent final ] (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) ''and'' they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. {{{2|Thank you!}}} <!--Template:Uw-AIV-->] ] ] 21:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

::Further, AIV is for vandalism, not content disputes and not for gaining an upper hand in an edit war.] ] ] 21:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I found quite unhelpful. Repeatedly removing sources and text from the same page without explanation is not what one does in a "content dispute" it is vandalism. Perhaps I should have been more patient and given the prescribed warnings, but considering the history... and the eventual outcome...

:::The real question is why are you leaving this note on ] page when '''I'm''' the one who posted to AIV? Oh well, at least some other editors stepped up and took care of this. -] 22:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Its moot. Thanks for correcting the error on biochemnick's page. -] 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

== Internet troll squads ==

Please see that Biophys removed a tag for deletion although there is no any dispute on the deletion discussion talk page. Diff http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Internet_troll_squads&diff=prev&oldid=115829443. ] 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

== Re: ] ==

Regarding your warning messsage put on my ]:
# I have no memory of any recent edit on the article. If it's an older edit, I can't find it in my edit record either
# Secondly, the page seems to have been deleted, so I have no means to find out the exact reason either
# Your message on my talk page is posted as a subsection of another completely non-related message. And I do not expect such naivity from an admin.

So, unless you give me any hint of the violation, I do not have any clue to the situation. Thanks for your clarification. --<i><font color="green">]</font><b><font color="blue">]</font></b><sup>]</sup></i> 00:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for your post. I can figure out your mistake in putting the message in wrong section, but what I still can't figure out is on what grounds have I been issued a warning for copyright violation? If I don't know the exact reason, how can I avoid it in future? If you can't find out on your own, pls suggest a suitable person/way to find out. --<i><font color="green">]</font><b><font color="blue">]</font></b><sup>]</sup></i> 12:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

::Apologies for coming back to you, but the problem is that I have a copyright infringement tag stamped on my talk page which is not a pleasant sight, and I want to make sure not to have a repeat of such incident.
::*I can't find any history of my edits to the page, which means that I cannot locate my exact edits. There was no intentional violation. It was probably among my earlier contributions on WP while learning the ropes, and hasn't been on my watch list.
::*What I would like to know is whether ] was followed?
::*If so, why I wasn't ] of the situation earlier?
::*And it wasn't either posted on ]!
::In this situation, I would appreciate if you could restore the article and allow the situation to be redressed. Thanks --<i><font color="green">]</font><b><font color="blue">]</font></b><sup>]</sup></i> 22:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Lying Liars ==

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== ] restored ==
My frustration may have been partially based my misunderstanding you. At one point, you said: ''I think we can go ahead and include everything that is not struck out, with the exception of the plagiarism section which we should rework a little bit more before including. Any objections? ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 16:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)''


This article has been restored after its deletion was contested. As you nominated the article to be deleted via ], you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at ]. ] (]) 11:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
As I understood it, that referred to a draft to which there were still numerous objections, and to which new items had recently been added. I was frustrated that you would take that approach so quickly, and surprised that other editors seemed to be allowing that text to mostly stand. But it seems like I might have misunderstood what was going on.


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Since then, you have started what seems like a very workable system, in which we can discuss individual items, and clearly see what conclusions are being reached. Now that I understand where you're going with this, I can see that my post may have been an overreaction. I'm happy to work within the system you've proposed.


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Hi Swatjester - You made a curious comment on your ArbCom vote. I expected that many users would regard my lack of logged-in editing as a negative (to be honest, I have no expectation of being elected, chiefly for this reason). However your comment "seems out of touch with today's Misplaced Pages" completely caught me by surprise. If you have the time I'd be grateful if you could explain how you came to that opinion. Cheers ] 04:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I certainly hope you are not arguing that your thousands and thousands of edits make you somehow a better reader than me. Because that IP has productively edited ], including reverting vandalism.


Ah - that was more to do with using IRC :) I haven't used IRC in over six years and couldn't remember the conventions, and was also clueless on Misplaced Pages IRC customs. I am also fairly ignorant as to the inner technicalities of MediaWiki (which is unlikely to change) and my problem was to do with userids and historical data. It even took Tim Starling a while to figure it all out, so I didn't feel too dumb in the end. But thanks for your reply - appreciated. Cheers ] 05:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The comment is a legitimate question: are the articles being handled differently? It happens to be one I don't have an answer for - as I've only glanced at ] and have not edited it. I happen to think it is ok if the articles are handled differently. But that doesn't make the question wrong.


== Nishidani block ==
You think there is reverse racism? Address it on his talk page. After a gazillion edits I would have thought you would have figured that out. ] 05:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


I didn't follow the case but I think he is upset by all this stuff and particularly by the endless disputes around the Arab-Israeli conflict related articles...<br/>
::I've never claimed such. Please don't get me wrong. Nor do I say that the IP is a vandal or anything of the like. However, I'm saying that it WAS an uncivil comment, and thus I removed it. It was directed negatively at another user. ] ] ] 05:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry for that and have a nice day ;-) ] 11:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


::Much appreciated, thanks. ]] ] 12:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Do as you will. I'm both tired and annoyed, which I recognize is probably more a reflection on my need to sign off than anything else. Good night. ] 06:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


==Question== == userpage ==
On AN, you wrote about a user: "Has anyone noticed that he's not actually contributing to the encyclopedia, and just social networking? No constructive edits since October of last year? It's time for a "time-out" block for this kiddy." My question is: what do you feel should be done to users who go months (or years) at a time without contributing ''anything'', mainspace, userspace, or anywhere? I presume (hope) the answer is nothing; it would be crazy to block people from editing for ''not editing''. Personally, I don't see what the difference is. Is perfecting one's signature or signing autograph books ''harmful''? Of course not&mdash;and a person who does those things exclusively is actually closer to becoming a mainspace contributor than someone who isn't active at all, since they are ''engaged'', right? Why would we want to discourage them? ] 09:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


Your userpage is possibly the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. what's the chance you'd give me permission to steal it and format it for myself, considering I am a HUGE addict to a social networking site the page bears a striking resemblence in my imagination to?]] ] 12:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
== Again personal attack by user CPTGbr ==


: Go ahead. Provided you don't also steal my friends! Or my barnstars – ] (]) 14:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Swatjester, please look ] called me troll on the deletion discussion page. Moreover he also was uncivil for me at the talk page for ], here is the . ] 17:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


: Also, if it really is the greatest thing you've seen in your life, you need to get out more. You can start by looking at ] – there's a whole world out there! :) – ] (]) 14:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
==Mohammad Badshah Qadri==
Thanks for you comments on ] in ]. I doubt that a whole book has been written about him, at least not in English. However, I am almost certain that I will find sufficient mention of him in either Haeri, Muneera (2000) ''The Chishtis: a living light'' Oxford University Press, Oxford, UK, ISBN 0195793277, or Ernst, Carl W. and Lawrence, Bruce B. (2002) ''Sufi Martyrs of Love: The Chishti Order in South Asia and Beyond'' Palgrave Macmillan, New York, ISBN 1403960267, both of which I have requested on inter-library loan. The search terms that Library of Congress uses here are: Chishtiyah and Chishtiyah members -- Biography. I am more sanguine about the Ernst book because it has a chapter entitled: Modern Day Chishtis. --] 23:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


== Wikistock Deletion == == Confusing comment ==


"I'm very glad you posted the email, it was the right thing. Unfortunately, that would be unacceptable for an arbitrator."
An editor has asked for a ] of ]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ] 04:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


Are you saying that doing the right thing is unacceptable? Or that you don't trust his judgement on what ''is'' the right thing, even though he got it right this time? —] 14:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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::No. I believe that posting the email was the right thing for him to do. However, posting private emails, while the right thing to do maybe for a user, is absolutely unacceptable as an arbitrator. So he did the right thing, but because the right thing involved doing something that indicates a lack of trust for sensitive material, I cannot support him for arbcom; even though his actions have greatly raised my respect level for him. ]] ] 21:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please would you consider blocking (even temporarily) User:Alfred Vella who keeps reverting and vandalising pages, eg ] where he reverted the new info box and re-instated vandalism. and ] where he insists on adding info about the Univesity of Luton (with which he has a personal problem). Many thanks for having a look] 08:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


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Are you sure you want to support this guy? Look at his source/quote for making the Red Baron jewish. read the discussion page on it. See the opposers views on his request page. Look at the diffs. It scares me. JohnHistory 08:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)JohnHistory


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Your comment at the Arbcom vote

Hi Swatjester - You made a curious comment on your ArbCom vote. I expected that many users would regard my lack of logged-in editing as a negative (to be honest, I have no expectation of being elected, chiefly for this reason). However your comment "seems out of touch with today's Misplaced Pages" completely caught me by surprise. If you have the time I'd be grateful if you could explain how you came to that opinion. Cheers Manning 04:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah - that was more to do with using IRC :) I haven't used IRC in over six years and couldn't remember the conventions, and was also clueless on Misplaced Pages IRC customs. I am also fairly ignorant as to the inner technicalities of MediaWiki (which is unlikely to change) and my problem was to do with userids and historical data. It even took Tim Starling a while to figure it all out, so I didn't feel too dumb in the end. But thanks for your reply - appreciated. Cheers Manning 05:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Nishidani block

I didn't follow the case but I think he is upset by all this stuff and particularly by the endless disputes around the Arab-Israeli conflict related articles...
Don't worry for that and have a nice day ;-) Ceedjee 11:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks. ⇒SWATJester 12:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

userpage

Your userpage is possibly the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. what's the chance you'd give me permission to steal it and format it for myself, considering I am a HUGE addict to a social networking site the page bears a striking resemblence in my imagination to?⇒SWATJester 12:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead. Provided you don't also steal my friends! Or my barnstars – Gurch (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Also, if it really is the greatest thing you've seen in your life, you need to get out more. You can start by looking at Commons:Commons:Featured pictures – there's a whole world out there! :) – Gurch (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Confusing comment

"I'm very glad you posted the email, it was the right thing. Unfortunately, that would be unacceptable for an arbitrator."

Are you saying that doing the right thing is unacceptable? Or that you don't trust his judgement on what is the right thing, even though he got it right this time? —Random832 14:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

No. I believe that posting the email was the right thing for him to do. However, posting private emails, while the right thing to do maybe for a user, is absolutely unacceptable as an arbitrator. So he did the right thing, but because the right thing involved doing something that indicates a lack of trust for sensitive material, I cannot support him for arbcom; even though his actions have greatly raised my respect level for him. ⇒SWATJester 21:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Operation COOKIE MONSTER

In support of Operation COOKIE MONSTER (OCM) I'm presenting WikiCookies in appreciation for military service to the United States. Happy Independence Day! Ndunruh (talk) 01:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)