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::No, see look at this map of the Indian Empire in 1909 from the official Imperial Gazetteer of India: ] The territory colored pink was British India, and together with the yellow (native territory), it made up "India" as recognised contemporary by law, both domestically and internationally (See section 18 of Interpretation Act 1889). Portuguese India (officially, State of India) or French India (officially, French settlements in India) weren't a part of India and got added to India between 1954 and 1961 after a series of annexations by the Republic. The Government of India was responsible for administrating entire India not just British India. ] (]) 11:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::No, see look at this map of the Indian Empire in 1909 from the official Imperial Gazetteer of India: ] The territory colored pink was British India, and together with the yellow (native territory), it made up "India" as recognised contemporary by law, both domestically and internationally (See section 18 of Interpretation Act 1889). Portuguese India (officially, State of India) or French India (officially, French settlements in India) weren't a part of India and got added to India between 1954 and 1961 after a series of annexations by the Republic. The Government of India was responsible for administrating entire India not just British India. ] (]) 11:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I understand that it was called the "Government of India" (or sometimes the "Indian Empire", as on this map), but isn't this rather a case of ], in that the British definition of "India" is different to our modern one? I don't see the harm in keeping the disambiguation. We also now say things like "British Ceylon", "British Malaya", etc., when in fact they were just called Ceylon and Malaya at the time. ] (]) 14:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I understand that it was called the "Government of India" (or sometimes the "Indian Empire", as on this map), but isn't this rather a case of ], in that the British definition of "India" is different to our modern one? I don't see the harm in keeping the disambiguation. We also now say things like "British Ceylon", "British Malaya", etc., when in fact they were just called Ceylon and Malaya at the time. ] (]) 14:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::This confuses many people but the usage of British Malaya and British Ceylon vs usage of British India is not same. British Ceylon was the same as Ceylon as a country itself but British India was not equal to India. As you saw in the map British India was only a portion of the Indian Empire directly ruled by the Crown while the princely states (in yellow) were also a part of the British Empire and but were indirectly ruled by the Crown. This British India + the princely states was '''internationally recognised''' (excluding Portuguese and French territories) as "India". Thus Government of British India should have refered to an entity that governed British India but such an entity never existed. The Government of India was responsible for governing the entire Indian Empire. Also it wasn't really a case of pars pro toto as at least by the time the League of Nations was formed, Portuguese and French territories, (and later the Kingdom of Nepal) were not recognised as part of India. It's the same as how Bangladesh isn't called a part of India now but still it is not a case of pars pro toto, even though Bangladesh was historically included within the region called "India". I suggest we could do "{{monospace|the British-appointed Government of India}}" to keep the distinction as you said. ] (]) 02:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::This confuses many people but the usage of British Malaya and British Ceylon vs usage of British India is not same. British Ceylon is the same as Ceylon but British India was not equal to India. As you saw in the map British India was the portion of the Indian Empire which directly ruled by the Crown while rest of the Indian Empire, i.e, the princely states (in yellow) were also a part of the British Empire and but were indirectly ruled by the Crown. This British India + the princely states was '''internationally recognised''' (excluding Portuguese and French territories) as "India". Thus Government of British India should have refered to an entity that governed British India but such an entity never existed. The Government of India was responsible for governing the entire Indian Empire (or India). Also it wasn't really a case of ''pars pro toto'' as at least by the time the League of Nations was formed, Portuguese and French territories were '''not''' recognised as being a part of India. It's the same as how Bangladesh isn't called a part of India now but still it is not a case of pars pro toto, even though Bangladesh was historically included within the region called "India". I suggest we could do "{{monospace|the British-appointed Government of India}}" to keep the distinction as you said. ] (]) 02:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== The title of the article isn't an accurate description of the contents == |
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The article's topic is "the religions that originated in the Indian subcontinent", but such an article isn't well described by the title "Indian religions". I would expect an article with the current title to be about religions that exist in the country of India, not ones that originated in a region significantly larger than India and incorporating multiple modern countries. Buddhism, founded by a man from modern-day Nepal and practised for thousands of years all over Asia, isn't an "Indian religion" at all. Further, the country of India didn't exist when any of these religions came about. Historically, "India" was sometimes (and rather vaguely) used as a name for the region, but I strongly doubt that most readers would understand the title of this article to refer to a region or subcontinent rather than the modern country. I certainly didn't. |
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As an alternative, I suggest "Religions originating in the Indian subcontinent". It's less snappy, but would do a better job of communicating the content of the page. ] (]) 11:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:We just follow the ], which have no difficulty using the term the way we do. Also we mostly use "South Asia" now, rightly or wrongly. ] (]) 13:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
Hey, the page is locked so I can't try to figure it out myself (sorry). There is a formatting typo in this section: "Late Vedic period – Brahmanas and Upanishads – Vedanta (850–500 BCE)"
Please change to Hindu Religion instead of Indian religion - there nothing called indian religion. People from Nepal doesn't follow indian religion. It's Hindu Religion that followed by other country. This is a false information. Buddhism is also not Indian religion - once again please change it to Hindu - not Indian. 2607:FEA8:7AA4:CF00:6053:3E12:1B8B:3C5F (talk) 21:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
The article's topic is "the religions that originated in the Indian subcontinent", but such an article isn't well described by the title "Indian religions". I would expect an article with the current title to be about religions that exist in the country of India, not ones that originated in a region significantly larger than India and incorporating multiple modern countries. Buddhism, founded by a man from modern-day Nepal and practised for thousands of years all over Asia, isn't an "Indian religion" at all. Further, the country of India didn't exist when any of these religions came about. Historically, "India" was sometimes (and rather vaguely) used as a name for the region, but I strongly doubt that most readers would understand the title of this article to refer to a region or subcontinent rather than the modern country. I certainly didn't.
As an alternative, I suggest "Religions originating in the Indian subcontinent". It's less snappy, but would do a better job of communicating the content of the page. 87.74.207.248 (talk) 11:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)