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== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way ==
== BRD and longstanding content ==


Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:
The edit summaries are off. This is longstanding content, and attempts to delete such content are normally dealt with in the normal BRD manner, which, in this case, means the BOLD deletion gets REVERTED and the deleter can then try to use DISCUSSION to create a consensus backing their desired deletion.


" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/
Consequently, I will restore the longstanding content, but make sure the category is left out. -- ] (]) (''''']''''') 05:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"


<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
: {{Done}} -- ] (]) (''''']''''') 05:06, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::This is NOT long standing, go look at the history. This was BOLDLY added to the lead, so I will be removing it per BRD until there is consensus for its inclusion in the lead. --] (]) 18:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::: It looks like longstanding content to me. Regardless, BRD still applies to that content, so stick to discussion and don't edit war. That content has implicit consensus and needs a consensus to remove it. BTW, this fringe attempt to delete does not look good for you, so be careful about deleting mainstream RS content. -- ] (]) (''''']''''') 19:09, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::::It might look that way, but it isn't, what can I say? Do you want to take a stab at rewritting the lead? Also, can you provide a list of RS that describe the subject as a far right conspiracy theorist? They can be reviewed and added to the article if there is consensus. Thank you, --] (]) 19:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::It was added on . What's your definition of longstanding? -- ] (]) 20:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::Per ONUS if this is the first time the material is challenged then we need consensus to include. Additionally, this is a BLP so contentious material are typically removed absent consensus. ] (]) 22:25, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Regardless of how longstanding, the content seems entirely ] to me. ] (]) 20:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::::Due in the body but in the lead? How much of the body focuses on conspiracy theories? Not much. So why would that be in the lead? ] (]) 22:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'd say it's definitely lead-worthy; coverage treats it as a major aspect of her notability. If you feel there's not enough in the body then you should expand that aspect of the body rather than remove it from the lead. --] (]) 22:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::If so then why is so little of her BLP actually talking about the topic? Do you have some sort of data/examples to back your claim? I assume you know that the LEADFOLLOWSBODY. That means we look at the body and summarize it for the lead. The body doesn't put much emphasis on conspiracy claims. Perhaps it would be better just to say she is often outspoken and her comments are frequently controversial including those related to COVID and COVID responses. That at least makes it clear that there are a broad range of comments that have resulted in criticism. Your suggestion that we alter the article body to fit the lead confuses how things supposed to be done. We don't, or at least aren't supposed to, fill in the body because someone wants keep specific negative content in the lead. ] (]) 04:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Whoever this Springee is, they're clearly not open to viewpoints other than their own and it's antithetical to the idea of this website. As I posted above, both Springee and Malerooster are intentionally watering down the main concepts Candace Owens is synonymous with and they bring shame on themselves and this website by doing so. ] (]) 15:29, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::::regardless of politics or personal views, the non negotiable rule to follow is that of neutrality. The purpose is to not lean in any one direction, as this is an encyclopedia, not a personal blog. Some adjectives are even a little redundant, like "falsely". WP does not collect truth, only facts, therefore, always let facts speak for themselves, this will allow the reader to decide for themselves how they want to feel about about a subject matter. Consider "nauseating", or other value judgement adjectives. ] (]) 10:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::We must maintain ] ], that means NPOV and reporting facts. But there are Manual of Styles that dictate how pages should look and yes ]. ] has to be properly distributed. Also BLP protections are there for a reason. As long as nothing breaches those protections specifically ], then there shouldn't be any issues. ] (]) 23:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


== Update required - controversies ==
== LGBT ==


Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour
So we completely ignore that she's best friends with an openly gay man Dave Rubin and she has stated she has 4 gay cousins. We just want to paint her as anti LGBT? Doesn't she support same sex marriage anymore and why was it removed from this section. Very bias and I'm speaking as someone who isn't particularly fond of her but facts are facts. ] (]) 06:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 ==
:So I just reviewed the whole article and I didn't see any sentence that flat out calls her anti-LGBT. She has a sub-section named "LGBT" rights under the section "Political views", which after taking a closer look at, has several issues with its sourcing. I will make another talk page post under this one addressing the issues. ] (]) 16:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}}
== LGBT Rights sub-section sourcing is problematic. ==
Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages


Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
So after responding to @]'s talk page post above. I reviewed the article for any potential ] material. After taking a look at the sub-section " LGBT Rights" (Under section "Political Views"), the sub-section contains a few ] and ] sourcing citations. We have Mic.com which isn't on the ], but it was singularly sourced in the first sentence about banning transitioning individuals from joining the military. The next sentence about Disney is sourced by Forbes Contributor which is classified as generally unreliable on RSP, as well as a marginally reliable HuffPo Political piece. (Which if we remove the gunrel Forbes piece will be a single sourced mrel piece). We also have a sentence singularly cited with a gunrel YouTube url. I have no issue with leaving the ] cited material. But the other content only cited by gunrel and mrel need to be removed. ] (]) 17:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">&mdash;&nbsp;] <small>]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 ==
== The Honorable ==


{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}}
Reading from ] article we find "In the United Kingdom, all sons and daughters of ] and ] (including the holders of ]) and the younger sons of ] are styled with this prefix." As the child of a Lord, this means George Farmer is styled this way. And given a wife shares the title of her husband this means Candace Owens is in fact ''The Honorable Candace Owens''. So do stop deleting this correct form of address. ] (]) 19:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)


:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Does this comply with MOS ? Also, is there a reference for this that describes her title? If not it should probably be left off. ] (]) 20:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
::Owens is styled ''The Honarable'' , , and . She can also be found using the style herself . ] (]) 21:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
:::In those sources the title appears to apply when used to the couple rather than as an individual. I think it's an interesting fact and could be included in the part about her marriage. I'm not sure it should be applied as you are trying but I will let others weigh in. ] (]) 23:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
::::This matter should not really be an issue of any sort. She (Candace) is the wife of the son of a baron in the UK. She is automatically styled with the honorific '''Honorable'''. Her marriage to George Farmer (which is very well reported to have actually indeed occurred on 31 August 2019) is the proof that she is entitled to this honorific. The fact that she is entitled to this honorific is not (or should not be) debatable. The only real question is where in a biographical article should her designated honorific be used. It is this latter question that is a matter for the ]. Regardless of anything else, WP ''person'' info-boxes have provision for specifying the honorific of its subject. At the very least, one would expect that her honorific be specified within the info-box. If someone thinks that the honorific should not be specified inside the info-box, then that discussion should be taken up by the experts of that particular info-box (the ''person'' info-box in the present case) and otherwise would be a separate question than anything to do with Candace. If the info-box developers (experts) made provision for an honorific (which they have done up until the present time), then that should be honored and used until the info-box itself removes that provision. If someone feels that provision for an honorific within the ''person'' info-box should be removed, you should take your case to the talk page of the info-box in question; namely, ] --] (]) 01:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::The Honorable, as used in the context of Brittish nobility, can be found in the infoboxes of, to name a few examples; ], ], ], ], and ]. So I find no reason why the same would not apply to Owens. Maybe it would be appropriate to add a sentence in Personal life to clarify that she is entitled to the style following her marriage. ] (]) 08:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::: "The Honourable" is used for a large amount of reasons, not just nobility (many of those you've mentioned above are not nobility). However it would only apply to Owens in the sense that she is the wife of a son of a baron, and therefore she would be styled ''The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer'' not ''The Hon. Candace Owens (or Candace Farmer)''. ] 10:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::That was what I was thinking/wondering about. I don't see an issue mentioning that in the article as the provided Yahoo news source does support that, as a couple, they have that title. It doesn't in my reading support that the title would independently apply to her. ] (]) 12:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::: Yes, I took the section out but would have no objection to it being put back with a more accurate reading of what her title actually is. Obviously, as a couple, ''The Hon. George and Candace Farmer'' is correct as well. I think the Yahoo source just puts it clumsily. ] 12:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::I have never in my life before heard of a couple title. Owens is to be styled ''The Honorable'', irregardless of what follows be it Candace Owens or Mrs Geroge Farmer. ] (]) 14:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::: I didn't say it was a couple title, I was pointing out how the "Honourable" should be written when it refers to the couple (i.e. not ''The Hon. George and Hon. Candace Farmer''). And Owens is always ''The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer'' if you're going to use the honorific, ''not'' her own name (as her honorific only stems from her marriage). ] 14:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::I know I'm correct, but I'll stop arguing because I can't be bothered anymore. ] (]) 15:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think it is an interesting fact, I wouldnt mind a small section mentioning it as more trivia. However, if we can't verify that this is correct with ] I think it lacks notability and would unfortunately fall under ]. ] (]) 20:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

== Education in infobox ==

This parameter shouldn't be used for non-graduates, per
https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Infobox_person/doc "It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise"

Unless there has been a consensus somewhere that i haven't seen
--] (]) 18:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

:In this case I would say that it's very relevant to her career as a journalist, especially since it's discussed further along in the article. I'd like to hear what others have to say. –] ] 18:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
:I would leave it out. My general feeling is this is a line for information about secondary degrees. As an example, is notable for not having graduated high school yet was a big proponent of education later in life. His bio box doesn't have an education line. ] (]) 19:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
:Leave it out it's not important. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way

Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:

" I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings, it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ "HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.8.0.81 (talk) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Update required - controversies

Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html 61.68.185.198 (talk) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages

Ron Jeremy 2601:807:100:DB0:108B:E1C2:E454:A782 (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
@LizardJr8 Per MOS:LABEL, contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. — gabldotink 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following MOS:LEADCITE. Re-opening the request. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
This is now sourced. Whether or not this is MOS:LABEL is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate MOS:EUPHEMISM. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Remove that she is an anti semite. Naseehaaaaaa (talk) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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