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Image galleries

Assuming that you're the person that keeps inserting image galleries, wouldn't it be also handy to add informational texts accompanying the pictures to give more context for the readers? --Donald Trung (talk) 00:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

Hi Editorfree1011! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Nguyễn dynasty that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Misplaced Pages – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Changing a year, for example, is not a minor edit. — MarkH₂₁ 15:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

"Feudalism"

I noticed that you added "Feudalism" to most if Imperial Vietnam's infoboxes, at the Vietnamese-language Misplaced Pages one can easily link to "Feudalism (China)" but not here, no non-Communist historians used the term "Feudalism" to describe these societies before 1975. If you want a good way to identify historical negationism in Vietnam I would direct you to "Historiography in the Soviet Union#Theoretical approaches" "Chinese historiography#Marxism", specifically:

• Primitive-communism
• Slave society
• Feudal society
• Capitalist society
• Socialist society
• The world communist society

The official historical view within the People's Republic of China associates each of these stages with a particular era in Chinese history.

• Slave society – Xia to Shang
• Feudal society (decentralized) – Zhou to Sui
• Feudal society (bureaucratic) – Tang to the First Opium War
• Feudal society (semi-colonial) – First Opium War to end of Qing dynasty
• Capitalist society – Republican era
• Socialist society – PRC 1949 to present

Now project this onto Vietnamese history you get:

• Primitive-Communist society - Hồng Bàng dynasty (most of which is invented by North Vietnamese historians) until the Âu Lạc were conquered by Nam Việt.
• Slave society – Northern domination.
• Feudal society (bureaucratic) – Ngô dynasty period to the Nhà Nguyễn thời độc lập period.
• Feudal society (semi-colonial) – Pháp thuộc in combination with the Nguyễn Dynasty.
• Capitalist society – French Indochina and South Vietnam.
• Socialist society – Democratic Republic of Vietnam, Republic of South Vietnam, and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, 1949 to present.

The same applies to North Korean historiography, notice how common the term "Phong kiến" (封建) appears in Communist Chinese, Communist Vietnamese, and Communist Korean historiographies, Joseon is called "Triều Tiên Phong kiến Vương triều" (朝鮮封建王朝) in North Korea. Meanwhile go over any South Korean history text book and look for the term "Phong kiến", it's simply much rarer.

I understand that the mainstream historiography in Vietnam uses this term, but the mainstream historiography in Iran denials the holocaust and we (thankfully) do not use these biased works. I don't think that it's wise to add a link to the English-language Misplaced Pages's page about "Feudalism" without redefining feudalism as "a system in which any (male) person regardless of birth can attain a high government position through education and competitive examination" which is the opposite of European feudalism. --Donald Trung (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

All historians in Vietnam call this period is fedualism. When i made the edition, i never refer to non-communinst or communist aspects. If you feel hatred for the communist, i would like to say that you should stop managing the wiki pages You can check the page Tokugawa shogunate which also depicts the government as the feudalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorfree1011 (talk • contribs)

Japan had a system where hereditary lords ruled over their own fiefs with all classes of society being hereditary, that is the definition of feudalism. Vietnam had a Confucian examination system which is a meritocracy, also these articles aren't even about Communism which didn't exist back then and Misplaced Pages is supposed to be neutral, that means that no ideology should go into making edits other than the ideology of "pure neutrality", adding feudalism simply links to a page that describes a completely different system of government, hence is incorrect. According to Islam all non-Abrahamic faiths are "paganism", should we add "paganism" to the religion of the Ngô Dynasty because Islamic scholars say so? --Donald Trung (talk) 14:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

The term of feudalism are mostly applied for the old government of the east asian countries which is ruled by absolute monarchy. Before 1975, most of the historians from both sides use the term "feudalism" to refer the the govenment before the repbulican era. I always relate to the neutrality and neutral information and sources when posting or re-edit the page without bias. Trinh lords is also the system of hereditary lords take the power of the government back then. What is the differences here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorfree1011 (talk • contribs)

In Japanese and European society the term refers to an absolute system with little social mobility throughout society, you are right that the Trinh are hereditary lords, but their bureaucracy was meritocratic and most land was owned by petit bourgeoisie. Feudalism is a system, but I agree that most modern sources use the term "feudalism" so I didn't reverse your additions, it is just highly misleading. If the word "feudalism" means absolute monarchy then when not just use absolute monarchy? Vietnamese nobility were influential but they didn't have legislative or executive power like feudal lords do, this is the difference. At least the Vietnamese-language Misplaced Pages has this, specifically at "§ Phương Đông và phương Tây". The English-language Misplaced Pages doesn't have this nuance at the "Feudalism" page as it's "hidden" in several other pages. --Donald Trung (talk) 16:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@Donald Trung: There is an article called Fengjian in English Misplaced Pages. Do you think it might be relevant? Ltn12345 (talk) 23:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Flag of the Tây Sơn Dynasty

I saw that you changed it, do you have a source for it? --Donald Trung (talk) 12:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Please check that page in Korean and Vietnamese page, you can see it. I did not upload the image of the flag — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorfree1011 (talk • contribs)

I couldn't find a source there either, I found a number of sources that claim that the Vietnamese had no concept of a national flag before the 1860's, so was it an Imperial standard or a battle flag? I know of one battle flag used by Quang Trung but that one doesn't look like any of the flags ever added to the article. So where did the flag come from? --Donald Trung (talk) 14:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Longevity of galleries

In the past I've seen many people remove image galleries and most of your additions tend to just be image galleries, why not add these to Wikimedia Commons? You can easily create image galleries there like "Cabinet of Thành Thái" or "Ministries of the Nguyễn Dynasty" with images that belong together. Usually images on Misplaced Pages exist to illustrate the information but you often add images without also writing about the illustrated subjects. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:10, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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Lý do?

Đề nghị nêu lý do lùi sửa? Greenknight dv (talk) 18:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Đề nghị nêu lý do sửa? Editorfree1011

Cờ đầu tiên không có cơ sở đáng tin. Greenknight dv (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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Disruptive edit

hi so please stop disrupting the List of monarchs of Vietnam i warn you if you continue to do this you will definitely be blocked because all the information in this site are accurate are base on our country historical records so yeah stop being annoying and false editing information here okay? Kimhanh1554 (talk) 17:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please prove that the monarch in the Hong Bang dynasty exsist? Or it is just Vietnamese mythology? Ban me? if you think you can Editorfree1011 (talk) 19:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

i told you it have been proven in many historical records and also from archaeological evidences in my country of Vietnam and in many parts of China and you said that it's mythical then why in Vietnam there are tomb of Kinh Dương Vương and the Hùng kings people worship them as founding father of our country.Can the people actually made up a myth so that they could worship,build tomb and temple.Not only that in China there are account written about Đế minh split the land for both of his son and many other evidences you can search on the web ok? Kimhanh1554 (talk) 08:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi i think you are confusing about the legend and reality. The Vietnamese historians acknowledged that Hong Bang dynasty was semi mythical,just similiar to Xia dynasty of China. You said that the tomb of Hung Kings is the proof that they existed in the past which also show the ignorance and lack of knowledge from you. You still can differentiate between real history and myth so it is hard to debate. For example you dont know where the sites of Hung kings burial and then you claimed that there are their graves. Does it make any sense of human knowledge?

You said "Can the people actually made up a myth so that they could worship, build tomb and temple." .Oh ,that is happening everywhere..

Đã không hiểu lịch sử thì làm ơn tìm hiểu kỹ dùm. Nếu như chưa phân biệt được đâu là thần thoại ,bán thần thoại hay thực tế thì cứ tìm hiểu thêm . Những gì về thời kỳ hồng bàng là hòa toàn là truyền thuyết .Người VN chỉ thêu dệ hình ảnh triều đại đó để làm nổi bật hơn vể củ nghĩa dân tộc và cội nguồn mà thôi.Không lẽ cái thuyết Lạc Long Quân sinh ra bọc trăm trứng ,rồi trăm đứa con cũng là thật? Còn Đế minh vốn dĩ là trong thần thoại Trung Hoa và người VN dùng hình ảnh đó để hợp pháp hóa rằng mình vs người TQ có chung 1 cội nguồn hay thờ cúng tổ tiên giống nhau,suy rộng ra nó còn mang hàm ý chính trị. Bạn nói rằng những gì ở trên web là thật? Web là nơi mà raw data chưa được sàng lọc và ai cũng có thể post lên đấy cả.Ngay cả kênh wikipedia cũng là kênh các phần lớn thông tin vẫn chưa sàng lọc và không có đủ sự chính xác. Editorfree1011 (talk) 22:41, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Editorfree1011 Ồ bạn là người Việt hả? Bạn có thể giải thích tại sao Lý Nam Đế có chữ Đế to lù lù ra đó lại bị thay bằng Đinh Tiên Hoàng không? 2402:800:6172:1DDC:CD4B:6201:42F0:D14E (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Vậy theo bạn, bạn đổi Triệu Đà thành Vũ Đế ,thế sao không để ổng làm hoàng đế đầu tiên lun đi? Editorfree1011 (talk) 14:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ồ cảm ơn bạn, tôi quên mất Triệu Đà đấy (bạn cũng thừa hiểu mà). Tôi không phải người đổi tên ông này và tôi nói thẳng là bài Việt Nam không có cái hộp này. Tôi không muốn tranh cãi thêm nên tôi đã bỏ cả hai vị sau đi. 2402:800:6172:1DDC:CD4B:6201:42F0:D14E (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Editorfree1011 Tôi cũng hiểu đại khái sao bạn bỏ tên Lý Nam Đế, nhưng không phải muốn nhét là nhét được Đinh Tiên Hoàng vào đâu. Bạn quan tâm tới lịch sử nước nhà và có tiếng Anh tốt thì hãy tự diễn giải cho cả thế giới hiểu. Trình độ tôi chỉ sửa có vậy thôi để khỏi tranh cãi (mà tôi còn chưa biết đúng ngữ pháp không nữa). Vậy đấy, chào bạn! 2402:800:6172:1DDC:CD4B:6201:42F0:D14E (talk) 14:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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