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Revision as of 02:04, 22 August 2023 editMichael Bednarek (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users84,913 edits →recording of "Der Hoelle Rache": Not a good idea. Sandra Partridge's pronunciation of the 1st line alone is sub-standard in both recordings. The sound file in the article ought to be replaced with Rita Streich's File:W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 18. Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg from the 1953/55 Fricsay recording.← Previous edit Latest revision as of 15:02, 9 November 2024 edit undoLowercase sigmabot III (talk | contribs)Bots, Template editors2,293,063 editsm Archiving 1 discussion(s) to Talk:The Magic Flute/Archive 2) (bot 
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== Synopsis == == Plot summary for lead ==


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It is fine to have such detailed account of what happens on stage, but could we also have a ''real'' synopsis in the "synopsis" section, i.e. ''A brief outline or general view, as of a subject or written work; an abstract or a summary.''. '''Brief, abstract, summary''' (emphasis mine).


''The allegorical plot was influenced by Schikaneder and ] and concerns the initiation of Prince Tamino. Enlisted by the Queen of the Night to rescue her daughter Pamina from the high priest Sarastro, Tamino comes to admire the high ideals of Sarastro. He and Pamina both join Sarastro's community, while the Queen and her allies are vanquished.
I could do it but I dare not, this for sure has been done by recognized critics and I am not knowledgeable enough to have sources. ] (]) 19:57, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
:This was raised already ]. I suggested then a brief summary: "Boy meets girl (x2); no-one dies (except a snake." That didn't fly. -- ] (]) 02:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


with an older version:
== recording of "Der Hoelle Rache" ==


''In the opera the Queen of the Night persuades Prince Tamino to rescue her daughter Pamina from captivity under the high priest Sarastro; instead, he learns the high ideals of Sarastro's community and seeks to join it. Separately, then together, Tamino and Pamina undergo severe trials of initiation, which end in triumph, with the Queen and her cohorts vanquished. The earthy Papageno, who accompanies Tamino on his quest, fails the trials completely but is rewarded anyway with the hand of his ideal female companion Papagena.
The recording used here is not so great. There are a lot of pitch problems with the singer's performance. Here is the same singer in a performance in which she does a substantially better job:


Reasons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqZa2KYuNsU
* The view that the plot is allegorical (i.e. about Maria Theresia) is controversial, and perhaps is even acquiring the status of a crackpot theory; see ] for discussion.

* The Freemasonry claim is certainly common but it is now called into question by thoughtful people; see again ]. While it may still have adherents, in general we don't put controversial speculation into the lead as if it were fact.
Perhaps it should be substituted. ] (]) 16:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
* The old plot summary I restored is hardly any longer but has some really essential things: the trials the characters undergo, and the character Papageno (who I suspect has more stage time than anyone else).
: Good idea, only: that is an external link. --] (]) 17:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
] (]) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::Not a good idea. Sandra Partridge's pronunciation of the 1st line alone is sub-standard in both recordings. The sound file in the article ought to be replaced with ]'s ] from the 1953/55 Fricsay recording. -- ] (]) 02:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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Plot summary for lead

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The allegorical plot was influenced by Schikaneder and Mozart's interest in Freemasonry and concerns the initiation of Prince Tamino. Enlisted by the Queen of the Night to rescue her daughter Pamina from the high priest Sarastro, Tamino comes to admire the high ideals of Sarastro. He and Pamina both join Sarastro's community, while the Queen and her allies are vanquished.

with an older version:

In the opera the Queen of the Night persuades Prince Tamino to rescue her daughter Pamina from captivity under the high priest Sarastro; instead, he learns the high ideals of Sarastro's community and seeks to join it. Separately, then together, Tamino and Pamina undergo severe trials of initiation, which end in triumph, with the Queen and her cohorts vanquished. The earthy Papageno, who accompanies Tamino on his quest, fails the trials completely but is rewarded anyway with the hand of his ideal female companion Papagena.

Reasons:

  • The view that the plot is allegorical (i.e. about Maria Theresia) is controversial, and perhaps is even acquiring the status of a crackpot theory; see Libretto of the Magic Flute for discussion.
  • The Freemasonry claim is certainly common but it is now called into question by thoughtful people; see again Libretto of the Magic Flute. While it may still have adherents, in general we don't put controversial speculation into the lead as if it were fact.
  • The old plot summary I restored is hardly any longer but has some really essential things: the trials the characters undergo, and the character Papageno (who I suspect has more stage time than anyone else).

Opus33 (talk) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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