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| == Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. == | |||
| == Happy October, Jimbo! :) == | |||
| Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you. | |||
| <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:9px;" class="plainlinks">] | |||
| It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ]. | |||
| Babysharkboss2 has given you a ]! Hershey bars promote ] through chocolately goodness and hopefully this one has made your day better. Hershey bars are wonderfully delicious! Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a Hershey bar, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. | |||
| As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Spread the goodness of Hershey bars by adding {{tls|Hershey Bar}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message! | |||
| ::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| </div><!-- Template:Hershey bar --> ] 15:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
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== ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 == | ||
| <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2024-12-24}} </div><!--Volume 20, Issue 18--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * ''']''' * ] * ] * ] (]) 00:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script (]) --></div></div> | |||
| Elon musk is calling Misplaced Pages woke u replied | |||
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| Then they start talking about your connection with newsguard is this true | |||
| I'm still kinda confused about the woke claim when most of us work to be neutral | |||
| If you would like to clarify your position in newguard I would like to know | |||
| Elon musk also is a asshat ] 01:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Useful reading: ]. ] (]) 02:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :huh. hell broke loose today? i thought it did that every day. ltb]<nowiki>l</nowiki> (]) 02:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :]? Not exactly hell. ] (]) 02:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeah, Elon going on a rant isn't really my definition of "hell". It's more my definition of any random day. I am an advisor to Newsguard, yes. I don't think that's in any way problematic. People who may think that I'm somehow in favor of censorship are... just making things up I'm afraid. What I am in favor of is products and services that are well designed to help people evaluate and access high quality information. At least some of the trolls who hate such things hate them because of reasons that should be obvious: Newsguard would tend to rate various crackpot propaganda sites rather less highly than trusted news organizations with standards of fact checking, running corrections, etc. strike me sa being fairly straightforward.--] (]) 06:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder! == | |||
| Elon Musk has : "Have you ever wondered why the Wikimedia Foundation wants so much money? | |||
| Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| It certainly isn’t needed to operate Misplaced Pages. You can literally fit a copy of the entire text on your phone! | |||
| So, what’s the money for? Inquiring minds want to know …" ] (]) 09:07, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :As usual, Elon Musk is just trolling, much like a 12 year old schoolyard bully. A while back, he was trying to get his minions to call him a "business magnet" on Misplaced Pages. He hates that we accurately and neutrally summarize what reliable sources have said about him over the years. Very wealthy people are used to being surrounded by people who sing their praises, morning, noon and night. However, we cannot be bought. ] (]) 09:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Jimbo, I was not familiar with NewsGuard until today, but I agree with you that their nine criteria are very good, and quite similar to how we evaluate the reliability of sources here on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 10:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *Is this the opposite of hell freezing over? I know Elon must have something better to do but if he wants be a troll so bad, I'm your huckleberry. I have plenty of dye for his hair and I love rainbows. --]] 20:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *Dear Jimbo, is it possible for Elon Musk to buy Wikimedia Foundation as he bought Twitter? You know, twitter suffered a bit after Elon bought it. ] 06:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *:To elaborate that, they said and then bought twitter entirely. ] 06:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *::I think Jimbo may have answered this question before ;-) –] <small>(])</small> 07:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *:::I ignored them by using ], sorry. ] 07:43, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == ''The Signpost'': 23 October 2023 == | |||
| <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2023-10-23}} </div><!--Volume 19, Issue 20--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * ''']''' * ] * ] * ] (]) 07:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script (]) --></div></div> | |||
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| == Can Misplaced Pages be edited fully autonomously by ChatGPT? == | |||
| It seems to me that ChatGPT should be able edit to Misplaced Pages without much problems. In fact, it may b able to do this better than human editors, so a fully autonomous Misplaced Pages may end up being superior compared to the present one. We may also consider AI-powered bots in roles of Admins and Arbitrators in the present Misplaced Pages edited by both humans and ChatGPT systems. Unlike humans, AI-powered bots have an infinite amount of patience, so remedies for problem users can involve measures such as the user being restricted to user space and be allowed to contribute from there. The bot will then be checking and assessing the quality of what is submitted there, giving feedback and copying to article apace what is good enough. ] (]) 09:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Speaking of the really existing ChatGPT: it is pretty stupid and full of bogus statements, e.g. when writing a legal plea, it invented precedents which never existed. Wanna be sure? Ask it for its references, it cannot provide them. | |||
| :In fact, it is pretty hard for humans to be epistemically responsible, it is much harder for computers. ] (]) 09:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::] described ChatGPT as "basically high tech plagiarism". The poems are fun though.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 09:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Who knows what the future will hold? But in late 2023, when people use ChatGPT and other AI programs to try to write Misplaced Pages articles, the result is a lot like something written by a failing college freshman struggling to write an acceptable essay: Stilted, banal prose, heavy on platitudes, and riddled with factual errors and fabricated footnotes. ] (]) 09:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I think you greatly overestimate the abilities of ChatGPT. ]s write fluent-sounding but factually incorrect information. They absolutely are not and should not be a substitute for humans. More info at ]. –] <small>(])</small> 10:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Lucky I'm not an admin, I'd indefban chat, or AI of any kind (except our friendly Misplaced Pages-centric bots), and put their wanted posters on every post office wall. What a horrible invention and concept for editing Misplaced Pages, which goes against the criteria of "anyone" (not 'anything') can edit. ] (]) 11:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I feel the same way. The combination of fluent-sounding text and factual inaccuracies is quite a pernicious combination, in my opinion. ChatGPT-based editing has the potential to require as much cleanup as a ]. It's very labor-intensive for experienced editors, unless we resort to presumptive deletion. –] <small>(])</small> 21:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :ChatGPT routinely generates garbage. Plausible garbage, but garbage non the less. The bullshit-bot promoters acknowledge this, but try to spin it as 'hallucination': which is also bullshit. ] (]) 13:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::LLMs are pretty good (meaning, better than our typical sub-GA article prose) at summarization and sufficiently loose paraphrasing, but they are terrible at noteworthiness and notability judgments, figuring out where to correctly make changes for updates, and refactoring poorly organized articles. There are already set up for such tasks, but they're being done apart from the live Misplaced Pages because of ]. And you know there are less formal academic experiments going on all the time, which show up on WP:ANI as disruption when they're unsuccessful, but can't be easily detected when they work well. ] (]) 00:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :What an absurd suggestion. ] (]) 22:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Here is what ChatGPT had to say about all of this: | |||
| In the world of knowledge and information, | |||
| Misplaced Pages stands tall, a beacon of innovation. | |||
| A place where anyone can share what they know, | |||
| And contribute to a global fountain of growth. | |||
| But as we know, with great power comes great responsibility, | |||
| And editing Misplaced Pages requires some ability. | |||
| It's not just about typing what you think you know, | |||
| But verifying sources and facts, so the information can flow. | |||
| So when it comes to chatbots editing this great source, | |||
| We must consider if they have the necessary force. | |||
| Can they comprehend the nuances of language and context, | |||
| And ensure what they add is accurate and correct? | |||
| Thank you ].--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 10:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ==Elon Musk== | |||
| I'd !vote a firm no to Musk's offeriing a billion dollars to change Misplaced Pages's name to Dickipedia (lol, the fellow does have a good sense of humor and a way of getting his point across. Put me in a room with him and I'd say we'd get the billion plus another half-a-million just on the playful concept and discussion). I repeat my request to him on a recent ''The Signpost'' discussion that he pick one politically biased fact that he thinks should change, and then sign up on Misplaced Pages under his confirmed real name and change it. When or if his edit is then reverted, he should take it to the talk page and argue convincingly on behalf of his change (Jimbo, since he's in a public discussion with you, maybe consider passing along this suggestion as it would be both a fun debate and a possible improvement to a major article). I'll give him a billion mini-barnstars (equals one barnstar) if he does that. ] (]) 14:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :?? ] 14:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :See https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1716103049863663962 and . "All else being equal" - e.g. it's guaranteed, and we can change the name back after a year - I'm leaning to taking the offer. Of course Elon is just blowing x out of his wazoo, but it's fun to think about. | |||
| :]<sub>(])</sub> 20:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :He has the humour of a 12 year old IMO lol. —<span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">'''MATRIX!'''</span> ''(])''<sup>]</sup></span> 14:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ], the inventor of the ] and long-time ] who Elon Musk wishes to honor, poses with ] in the Long Room of the ]]] | |||
| ::Wanting to name the encyclopedia in honor of {{u|Dicklyon}} for a year seems a principled suggestion for a commemorative. Dick, one of our major editors, is the inventor of the ], and Musk's offer to pay the Foundation a billion dollars to so-honor this major inventor of the computer-age has a ring of caring for Wikipedians that is missing in most billionaires. ] (]) 15:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yep in that context i '''support''' ] 17:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I can't think of a better or more deserving member of our community to Honor in such a way. Great suggestion, Mr. Troll, err, I mean Musk. We can do a lot with that billion dollars. <small>Get that pen warmed up to sign the check</small> --]] 17:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Can't argue with that xD —<span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">'''MATRIX!'''</span> ''(])''<sup>]</sup></span> 16:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :In that context I would '''Support''' it. Especially if WMF uses the money to build a skyscraper world HQ and/or hire full-time researchers to work on the various projects. ] (]) 18:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| WMF already has more money than it needs and spends too much of it elsewhere and not enough on Misplaced Pages. Instead Elon should start a trust as a backstop for the En Misplaced Pages / the Wikipedias.<b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 18:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Eh more money after he asked why wikimedia needs money and said they dont needit ] 19:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Also, as back of the envelope estimate, the main value of Misplaced Pages is the approx $50 Billion in unpaid volunteer time that has gone into it. You don't get renaming rights on that by giving $1 Billion to somebody else (WMF). <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 20:52, 24 October 2023 (UTC)f | |||
| :In the unlikely case that anyone is worried about it, no one on the board has seriously suggested at all that we should take him up on this. I mean, it's... fodder for laughter but really, his opinions and desires have very little weight here - and rightly so.--] (]) 22:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == A barnstar for you! == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | hi ] (]) 17:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Quick question on the recently released Endowment figures== | |||
| ] | |||
| The recently released Endowment figures (pictured) show a contributions total of '''{{tq|$11,549,007}}''' under "Support and revenue" for the 2021–2022 financial year. | |||
| But the released on 2 May 2022 showed that the Foundation had already raised | |||
| *'''{{tq|$12 million}}''' for the Endowment by the end of the second quarter (31 December 2021) of that year, and | |||
| *'''{{tq|$13.4 million}}''' for the Endowment by the end of the third quarter (31 March 2022) of that year. | |||
| This means the end-of-year figure advised in this month's statement for 2021–2022 is about $2 million lower than the third-quarter figure advised in the tuning deck last year. (The fourth-quarter tuning decks for 2021–2022 were never made public.) | |||
| This is counterintuitive. Could you and ] please shed some light on what happened here? The two previous years' tuning session decks match what is in the released statement (once you add the $5 million grants the Endowment received in those two years from the WMF.) Regards, --] <small>]]</small> 18:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't have a precise answer for you, but I can give you an indication. For internal staff/fundraising purposes it's quite natural to consider a gift as agreed at a different date from when the money actually comes in. If someone sends an email saying thanks for the information and I've decided to give $1 million, then assuming that all other signals are good, we will internally assume that money is going to come, and for planning purposes, we know what's coming in based on that. When it actually arrives from the point of view of accounting may be a different time. | |||
| :The reason I am not giving this as a precise answer is that I haven't (and won't) go back and look into all the specific details here. Lisa might, as she's closer to the day-to-day numbers than I am.--] (]) 22:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == UBX image == | |||
| So, I've had three images removed from Userboxes' I've made. (a Montero one, a King Nothing one, and a King Crimson one). And all three images have had their images removed, due to copyright. Now, I reverted the King Nothing one, since I didn't know about the files only allowed in articles, but the bot re-reverted it, and I read about it and left it alone. but TODAY I made the King Crimson and Montero one. and the difference between these two and the first is that I KNEW SPECIFICALY What images I can and can't use. I checked and used the images on the infoboxes for the respective article. (I will use '''''' UBX as an example). '''AND''' the infobox image SAID "Fair use" on it. So if their both ''fair use'' images, then why does the images keep getting removed on the ground of copyright? IDK if ur gonna respond, since I don't know what responsibilities the owner of a website like ] has, but I just want an answer. Sorry if this is worded poorly, or if you can't help. ] 17:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :The fair use tag only apply to one page ] 17:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Fair use images can only be used in articles. You'll want to pick a freely licensed image instead. ] Is a good page for questions like this. –] <small>(])</small> 19:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I am not really sure this is a question Jimbo needs to answer. Perhaps the ] would be a more effective place to ask about ]? ''']'''×''']''' 10:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == A kitten for you! == | |||
| ] | |||
| Very dear Jimbo, | |||
| Thank you for advancing humanity by creating the single greatest website. Here's a kitten. | |||
| ] (]) 17:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| == An entertaining TED talk == | |||
| When reaching out to another editor I stumbled who onto ] "". It's very entertaining. ]] 13:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I've been familiar with Annie's work for a long time, as have many Wikipedians. I highly recommend the video. ]<sub>(])</sub> 17:10, 27 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.
It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.
As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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