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== Video resolution chart ==

The chart found in http://en.wikipedia.org/Blu-ray_Disc#Video does not contain any 1920x1280 resolutions over 30fps, so it's easy to think that BD does not support 1080/50i or 60i. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This is explained in the very first note to the table () which explains that the the rates are interlaced and denoted as frame rates rather than field rates. ] (]) 22:17, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:: "a All frame rates are properly listed in frames per second. Some manufacturers will list field rate for interlaced material, but this is incorrect industry practice. To avoid confusion, only FRAME rates should ever be listed." This is completely wrong, hence the confustion of the poster above. Interlaced frame-rates are always written as the number of fields per second. This article is the ONLY place where "30i" and "25i" are used. "60i" and "50i" are correct. 1080i/30 and 1080i/25 are also correct, though rarely used. Note the position of the i. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:43, 3 May 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
From where does this chart originate? --] (]) 03:50, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

It's been 2 months since my 1st comment. Over half of this chart seems to be bogus, so before I attack it, I'd like to know from where it originates --] (]) 22:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
: I suggest you follow the citation (inline after the chart's title). It will take you to the official white paper. Skip to page 14 for relevant info. ] (]) 01:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

{{collapse top|title=Extensive discussion of frame/field rate notation, involving confirmed sockpuppets}}::{{replyto|Uk55}}: The official white paper does not use the correct designations as defined by the IEC. They state that the frame rate is the correct designation. This at least makes all the different standards consistently measured. Refering to the UK interlaced standard as '50i' is a bit like refering to the analogue standard from which it came as a {{frac|312|1|2}} line system (i.e. the lines in a field). In each case you are only using half the complete frame to describe the system. This is an encyclopedia and as such it should follow any internationally established standards of expressing anything it describes. That some white paper has used a different system is not sufficient justification to use the wrong designations in an encyclopedia.

::I would go one step further and point out that the white paper on which you are trying to rely does not claim that their designations are recognised by any authority or derived from any authority. Thus your attempts to use their designations in the face of the internationally agreed standards is ] because you are using the paper to support designations that it does not specifically claim as conforming to any recognised standard. ] (]) 12:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

::{{replyto|I B Wright}}: If you could link to that specific IEC standard, that would be great. The citation DieSchwartzPunk added contained nothing relevant when I looked. I've seen a lot of people get angry about this, but no one's been able to demonstrate so far that any agreed standard exists, whereas there are countless examples of both notations being used (though I would say field rate is far more common). For now, I maintain it's not sensible to overrule the Blu-ray specification in an article about Blu-ray, and therefore the chart should be copied verbatim.] (]) 15:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:::The cited IEC standards do not list the various systems as such, but both use the established frame rates for interlaced systems where they refer to them.

:::There has been a long standing general consensus to use frame rates only. The article used to contain a note that that this was correct industry pracice (and as noted this encyclopedia should follow that practice). I also note that it was yourself that removed that note in persuance of your apparent agenda of using the incorrect notation. This notation occasionally gets changed by some well meaning editor and it is always quickly changed back by various editors (establishing that consensus). The Blu-ray white paper like so many similar documents does not follow the accepted industry practice. Curiously, it is frequently documents that originate from America that seem to be unable to follow internationl standards unlike the rest of the world who seem to have no problem. ] (]) 12:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

:::Finding online specifications to use as references in articles such as this is extremely difficult. Because there is money to be made out of selling these specifications, attempts to find online versions invariably hit a paywall where you have to part with cash to view the standard (any complete copies found are usually copyright violations). Even if the text were to be accessed by paying the exorbitant fees demanded, ] prevents their use as a citation. I believe I may have been on the trail of a couple of standards that would potentially address this issue, one from the IEC and one from the EBU, but I cannot verify that they do because of the ever present paywall (so I couldn't use them here anyway).

:::The two IEC standards that I provided, because they are international standards, have to follow international standards on terminology and designations. ISO/IEC 13818-2 specifically refers to the US interlaced system as "interlace(30Hz)" (correctly using the frame rate) and IEC 60512-25-9:20 specifically describes the rest of the world interlaced system as "25i" (again using the frame rate). I failed to find any international standard that used the incorrect field rate. As noted above by Mr Wright, the Blu-ray white paper is not a standard on video formats or their designations. Throughout my working life in video and display systems, all systems have been described using the frame rate and not the field rate. Just as the European analogue TV system was described as "625 line 25 fps", its digital replacement was described as "720x576/25i" or as "576/25i" (as one pixel value usually implies the other, though there are exceptions). For some reason, a description of using the field rate sprung up in some quarters, but there is little evidence of why, how or by whom - and certainly no evidence of any official standard supporting it.

:::And now a thought: is it necesary to list the frame rates to four significant figures? The industry practice (and the IEC practice) is to use the nominal frame rates for the US systems (i.e. "30i" instead of "29.97i"). I don't believe the average reader of this article cares about the exact timings. Anyone in the industry who might care knows that 30 fps is really 29.57 fps (though it was originally 30.00 fps). I leave that one open. ] (]) 13:54, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

::::{{replyto|85.255.233.161}}{{replyto|DieSwartzPunkt}}IEC 13818-2 and 60512-25-9:20 may well refer to frame rates (albeit differently), but IEC 61834 and 62247-2 refer to field rates. Clearly there is no standard. The entire chart is lifted from the Blu-ray specifications, so if it's genuinely the consensus that it's not a reliable source, the whole chart needs to go. Your attempts to 'improve' it without proper citation can only be considered original research, which is not allowed.

::::The lack of standardisation in frame rates and their notation has been a source of confusion for decades, and don't get me wrong, I hate that as much as you do, but those are the rules. ] (]) 15:21, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|Uk55}}The only copies of IEC 61834 and 62247 that are downloadable are very old copies dating from 1998 (the -4 and -2 editions respectively). They have been considerably revised several times and one of the revisions to IEC 61838 is to change the field rates that they give into frame rates (I don't know when this change occurred but it is in the IEC 61834-11 edition dated 2008 which I believe is the latest). I don't have access to IEC 62247-10 which as it is a deleted standard is not too surprising. As the standards had some relationship (as they both addressed helical scan recording systems), it is not an unreasonable assumption that it too had been similarly updated before deletion as it did make the -10 revision.

:::::The industry exclusively uses frame rate for all visual media systems as it is the only means by which the temporal resolution (at the full spatial resolution) of one system can be compared with another. Further, if two systems coexist in the industry side by side then no one knows what is being defined without it being specified (and the two old IEC specs that you quoted had to specify what they were describing). There is no confusion within the video industry as to what the accepted and used notation means.

:::::No one seems to be questioning the blue ray white paper as a source of the available video formats supported. What is questioned (and I, along with several others, am questioning it) is the way in which those formats are expressed in an encyclopedia. A 50 ''field'' per second rate is exactly equivalent to a 25 ''frame'' per second rate. No one has challenged that and so the table can easily be expressed in the industry accepted format without issue. Thus the blu-ray white paper supports the table once the formats are expressed in the correct manner. That is unless you have a reliable source that the frame rate is ''not'' half the field rate for two field interlaced formats.

:::::I was not 'improving' the table as you claim but (at least partially) restoring it to the format that it used to be in that had been accepted by consensus for some considerable time before you changed it. Not everything on Misplaced Pages requires references particularly if it is generally accepted by consensus. ] (]) 16:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

::::::As far as i can see, these two specifications that Uk55 has introduced are pertinent to HDV video systems only and have no connection with Blu-ray. These are obsolete so it is not surprising that the second spec is deleted. i am surprised the first is still available (a snip at 280 Swiss Francs). ] (]) 17:21, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::::{{replyto|85.255.235.162}}Neither of the documents DieSwartzPunkt linked to are to do with Blu-ray either, what's your point?] (]) 17:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

::::::{{replyto|DieSwartzPunkt}}What you've said is simply wrong, this is a direct quote from IEC 61834-11: <blockquote>1125-line interlace with a field frequency of 50 Hz (hereinafter referred to as 1080i/50 system)</blockquote>
::::::These are just examples I was able to find in 5 minutes to demonstrate that no standard exists, a point which I stand by.

::::::Also, the chart has listed field rates for the majority of its history on wikipedia. I edited it chart a few months ago because it was incomplete and lacked a citation. I noted there had been some squabbling about this previously, and as no consensus had ever been reached, I stuck with the formatting of the source, which I maintain is the right decision.

::::::I feel like by implying there is a prescribed standard when there clearly isn't, you may be trying to paint your own preference as fact. ] (]) 17:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Your claim that, "the chart has listed field rates for the majority of its history on wikipedia" is untrue. Checking the edit history shows a number of important factors.

* The chart has shown frame rates for the majority of is history since the chart was first made into frame rates with the (now removed) added note that frame rate is the normal practice.

* When some (presumably) well intentioned editor has changed it to field rate, it has usually been quickly reverted, and importantly, the editor that changed it has not questioned the restoration meaning that they have accepted the consensus.

* There was a period of a few months at the beginning of last year where an editor changed the table and it went unreverted for those few months but as the editor who changed it did not leave an edit summary, it probably went un-noticed. In any case, once again he did not challenge the reversion.

You have now engaged in what is clearly a ] edit war where you seem to have unilaterally decided that the table must be in field rate. This is not how Misplaced Pages works. Misplaced Pages works by co-operation and consensus. As for as your desire to have the table in the non standard practise of field rate, you are over-ruled by consensus. DSP, IBW and 85.255.233.161 have all objected to your continued reversion of the table to field rate, and I now add my vote of support to that objection because even in my industry (railways) we adopt the standard practice of identifying display systems by frame rate. If we include the editor who added the note that frame rate is the "industry standard practice" as several have worded it, that makes a consensus of five. I should probably include all others who have reverted back to frame rate, but I haven't got time to count them. But five plus is enough for a consensus.

If this industry standard practice could be supported by a suitable reference, that would be desireable. But it is not necessary because consensus about industry practice carries the day. I would respectfully suggest that you ] away from this and find something you can make a positive contribution to. ]</font></span> 09:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

:{{replyto|LiveRail}} You are more than welcome to 'add your voice' to the discussion, but please do it by reading and responding to the points made here rather than attacking me personally. You'll find everything I've said is supported by reliable evidence, and I completely reject your suggestion I should walk away from the discussion simply because a small handful of users have decided to jump down my throat at once.

:To respond to the points you did make: This repeated claim of an 'industry standard practice' is completely without merit, field rate notation is used by the much of the industry, including the BluRay Disk Association, Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Canon and Blackmagic Design. I'm not going to argue with you about wikipedia history, because it's not consequential, but would like to point out I'm the only one here who has contributed positively to this chart, so please direct your insults elsewhere. ] (]) 12:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

::I'm sorry you feel that way, but I have not gone out of my way to attack anyone. I was drawn here simply because this article is on my watch list and I am simply calling it as I see it - and I stand by my view that you are pursuing a unilateral agenda against consensus only because that is what you ''appear'' to be doing. You are certainly on your own (that's what unilateral means). No one else has supported your viewpoint - no one. You have provided no reliable evidence to support your view that the chart should go against the industry standard norms. You have provided no reliable evidence that field rate is the industry standard practice - which it is not. Your main plank of the white paper from the Blu-ray association is exactly what it says it is - a white paper. It is not a standard and makes no claim that their nomenclature follows any recognised standard or practice. The same can be said for your introduction of Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Canon and Blackmagic Design into the mix as you have produced nothing from them claiming that any nomenclature based on field rate is standard practice.

::So why are you so insistent that the table should use field rate when everyone else supports frame rate especially given that the (note a) to the table clearly explains the means of getting from one to the other? The 'small band of users' to which you allude are not 'jumping down your throat'. They are just telling you that you are wrong in this context. Perhaps the problem is that you just can't admit that you have not won the argument and believe that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong? Your last post certainly reinforces that viewpoint. Did you take the trouble of reading ] (bullet point 2 applies here methinks)? This is Misplaced Pages. It is a co-operative effort. Not always getting your way goes with the territory.

::If you want 'my voice' then: it makes perfect sense to use frame rate exclusively, partly because it is the normal practice, but principally because two different units of measurement in a table column with the reader having to refer to a footnote to find which units applies to any particular entry is not good encyclopeadic practice (or good practice anywhere - white papers included). To draw a facetious allusion: it is a bit like producing a table of cars and giving the fuel consumption of US produced cars in miles/US gallon and the rest of the world's cars in kilometres/litre (with a footnote explaining which units of measurement apply to any particular entry). How long do you think that would survive in an article? ]</font></span> 15:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

:::{{replyto|LiveRail}} Rather than get into an essay-writing contest with you, I'm going to ask you a simple question with the hope of forwarding this discussion: What do <i>you</i> think constitutes an "industry standard practice"? ] (]) 16:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
{{collapse bottom}}
I've collapsed the discussion above, as the other participants have been blocked as sockpuppets. Rather than simply reverting their changes, however, I've changed the formatting of the chart to more closely match its source. This should clear up any confusion caused by 'fps' referring to two different things, whilst remaining consistent with the citation and the rest of the article.

I think this is a good compromise, but given the history, I'd like to politely ask anyone who disagrees to continue the discussion here rather than reverting straight away. ] (]) 20:32, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

== Capacity versus Layers ==
The article states each layer contains 25GB. Yet the triple layer disk contains 100GB and quadruple layer 128GB. The article should explain this anomaly. -] (]) 06:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

:See http://www.hitachi.com/rd/yrl/people/bdxl/01.html
:The capacity of 25GB per layer apparently applies to standard Blu-ray, which allows only two layers. BDXL apparently increases the capacity by a factor of (about) 1.3, as well as permitting 4 layers. 3 layers have a capacity of about 100 GB (so I presume the stated factor of 1.3 is rounded down). 4 layers have a capacity of only 128 GB. I have not yet found a reason for the reduced capacity of the 4th layer. Because of the figure 128, I suspect it may be an addressing limitation or a compatability issue. The sentence giving a capacity of 25GB probably needs revising to indicate that it does not apply to BDXL. --] (]) 23:49, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::I found the following information, which seems plausible (but I don't think my source would count as a reliable source by Misplaced Pages rules):
::* Minimum mark width / pit length:
::** for 2 layers: 149 nm
::** for 3 layers: 112 nm
::** for 4 layers: 117 nm
::* Capacity per layer
::** for 2 layers: 25 GB
::** for 3 layers: 33.4 GB
::** for 4 layers: 32 GB
::This would mean that the section ] is outdated.
::Perhaps someone more knowledgeable has a more reliable source.
::--] (]) 12:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

== Wavelength and Storage space ==

The article says - ''While a DVD uses a 650-nanometer red laser, Blu-ray Disc uses a 405 nm blue laser . This shorter wavelength allows for over five times more data storage per layer than allowed by a DVD.'' It is not described '''why and how this shorter wavelength allows for more data stoarage'''. It will be helpful if this technical information is provided. Thanks. <br/>''']''' 08:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

:Storage capacity is proportional to the square of the laser's focussed spot size (itself proportional to the wavelength of the light). Remember that not only can you get more data along any track, you can also space the adjacent tracks closer together. ] (]) 17:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

== Blu-Ray ==

Hi, i believe that the blue ray is not actually a blue laser but it;s a violet beam am i right? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Clearly stated in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Blu-ray_Disc#Laser_and_optics ] (]) 00:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

== Number of available titles ==

The number of available titles in the lead section uses the page of blu-ray.com as its source. However, the number of titles does not seem to be available directly on that page, which is a big list. By checking the number of pages of the list, we can have an assessment on the number of titles listed: I find 6300+ in the US, and 3700+ in the UK, which is quite different from what is currently written in the article. Am I missing something, or is this information outdated ? Thanks for your help.
] (]) 08:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
:Using a blank search with my site preferences set to US only and unchecked "show all Region Free titles", I get 7552 US titles. But this counts things like "Africa 3-pack Blu-ray" separately from its constituent releases, collector's editions separate from regular, etc. I don't know how you would filter those out. ] (]) 07:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

== Is "conceded" the right word. ==

I don't have an HDTV or a fancy disk player but my laptop can show HD video if I download it.

The word "conceded" makes it sound like Toshiba gave in to Sony but the press release does not support this. The release indicates the HD disks are being discontinued to foster the adoption of IT-hard disk solutions. It seems fairly clear that Toshiba is saying all video-disks including theirs are obsolescent.
] (]) 04:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

:Probably a case of 'sour grapes'. If 'conceded' is not the right word, it's probably pretty close. The movie studios were rapidly moving toward Blu-ray before Toshiba threw in the towel. It was not helped by the fact that Toshiba (in order to address the smaller capacity of HD-DVD) announced a triple layer version with 55GB capacity and introduced the fear that early adopters of (dual layer) HD-DVD players would be unable to play the triple layer discs. ] (]) 14:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Pocket Blu ==

Not sure whether it should go here or as a standalone article in the "See also" section, but presumably Pocket Blu should be here somewhere? ]_] 19:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

== History section in serious need of work ==

I've just read through most of the history section for this article. It looks like it was pulled from a C grade article found two years ago on some other random site.

I'll come back to it and clean everything up that I can, but anyone who actually knows anything about the BD history might want to go ahead and start fixing it.

] (]) 16:00, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

== WikiProject java? ==

I understand that blu-ray has java support but I'm not sure it really falls under wikijava. Any thoughts? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Backwards compatibility confusion ==

Under the section '''Software Standards''' > '''Media Format''' > '''Codecs''' > '''Video''', it states,

"''For video, all players are required to support H.262/MPEG-2 Part 2, H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10: AVC, and SMPTE VC-1. MPEG-2 is the compression standard used on regular DVDs, which allows backwards compatibility.''"

This leads me to believe that all Blu-Ray players must support DVDs. However, under the '''Backward Compatibility''' section, it states,

"''Though not compulsory, the Blu-ray Disc Association recommends that Blu-ray Disc drives be capable of reading standard DVDs and CDs, for backward compatibility.''"

This appears to contradict the earlier statement. Could someone with the appropriate knowledge clear this up?

] (]) 14:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

:I edited the statement about MPEG-2 to make it more accurate. MPEG-2 is required for Blu-ray players but to play a ] disc requires a lot more than that. There are many requirements for DVD-Video and the Misplaced Pages article on DVD-Video only gives a basic overview of what is needed. --] (]) 05:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

::I'm inclined to believe that it's still suggestive, because the reason for its inclusion is unclear otherwise. It should either carry an explicit caveat explaining that MPEG-2's inclusion does not by itself mean backwards-compatibility (with an advisory to read the appropriate section in this article for more information), or be removed entirely along with the rest of the expository information on the mandatory CODECs. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it seems superfluous, especially given that the various CODECs are linked to their respective articles. I'm also not sure that they add anything relevant to the article itself: I mean, does it matter (within the context of this article) who developed AVC or VC-1, or that MPEG-2 is also used on DVDs? I'd suggest going from the mention of the three CODECs directly into the line beginning, "BD-ROM titles with video must…".] (]) 16:56, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

:::Since those statements aren't directly related to the Blu-ray Disc format I have removed them. --] (]) 01:19, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2014 ==

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The link to the source in the "Blu-ray Disc for Video" reference is marked as dead (and it certainly is). Please update the link with the following URL:
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] (]) 19:32, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp -->. Thanks! ''<b style="font-variant:small-caps;">]]]</b>'' 20:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

== Image Request? ==

This article is listed as needing a photograph, but it appears to have plenty of them and there is no explanation in the template or here on the talk page. Does anyone know what was being requested specifically? ] (]) 14:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

: Hm, where is it listed as such? &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;|&nbsp;]) 23:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

::Where it is usually listed - at the top of this talk page. ] (]) 17:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

::: Ups, sorry, I didn't pay enough attention. That seems to be an old tag, so it's now {{Diff|Talk:Blu-ray Disc|593647014|593603118|deleted}}; there are already enough pictures. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;|&nbsp;]) 22:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Br as the informal a name of Blu-ray ==

The informal colloquial name of ] is '''Br'''. You can have a look at torrents at ] or at ] ]s to see what name people use most for referring to Blu-ray. I try to find a good ] for this, but I didn't find a good enough one. Could you help by pointing to a reference if you know any? ] (]) 07:19, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

: Hello there! Already tried searching, but found nothing usable. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;|&nbsp;]) 07:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== Table of resolutions and frame rates. ==

Am I being dim or or am missing something? The chart lists resolutions and frame rates (note 1 under the chart says so). However, the interlaced formats seem to be expressed in ''field'' rate which is double the frame rate. Surely, the 1920x1080 50i should be 1920x1080 ''25i'' (and similar for the others) if it is frame rate? ] (]) 16:29, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:You are entirely correct. It would appear that some editor changed the table late last year, but did not leave an edit summary as to what they had done. It therefore did not get noticed until you spotted it. This demonstrates the importance of leaving an edit summary as to what has been done. It's all fixed now. ] (]) 16:08, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

::Not quite :
::* True interlaced is expressed in field rate, where 2 successive fields are each a different half of successive frames, the other half being lost.
::* ] pulldown is expressed "''480i60 is 480i/30, 576i50 is 576i/25, and 1080i50 is 1080i/25.''"
::* ] or other pulldowns don't fit a clean "rate".
::Since the article (and supposedly the format) do not specify how the fields are used, it seems best to stick to "true" interlaced, others being derivative.
::Fortunately this has since been clarified in the article. --] (]) 17:59, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

== Cinavia ==

... should be added to the DRM section. (Don't have time myself now.) ] (]) 03:35, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

== sorry if this already covered in the litany of complaints ==

"High-definition video may be stored on Blu-ray Discs with up to 1080p resolution (1920×1080 pixels), at up to 60 (59.94) fields or 24 frames per second. Older DVD discs had a maximum resolution of 480i, (NTSC, 720×480 pixels) or 576i, (PAL, 720×576 pixels)." Makes no sense, since any kind of file can be stored on any kind of disc that will hold it. Author was apparently speaking only of BD discs vs DVDs.

== Lead must discuss trends, ==

Lead must discuss popularity of the format, trends, compared to DVD and threats from other formats. All this technical info in the lead could be trimmed. --] (]) 19:35, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

== Requested move 12 April 2015 ==

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:''The following is a closed discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a ]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''Move.''' We have consensus that the proposed name is both "correct" (it's a widely used and accepted short form), and more common in the sources. ] ]/] 21:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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] → {{no redirect|Blu-ray}} – Per ]. I only ever hear it advertised as Blu-ray, not Blu-ray Disc. <small>--'''Relisted.''' ] (]) 17:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)</small> <small>--'''Relisted.''' ] (]) 10:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)</small> ] (]) 21:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – What you hear is not a form of evidence that's useful here. ] (]) 22:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:Although perhaps I can be convinced to change my mind. First look at what the Blu-ray Disc Association says:
{{quotation |
Why the name Blu-ray?

The name Blu-ray is derived from the underlying technology, which utilizes a blue-violet laser to read and write data. The name is a combination of "Blue" (blue-violet laser) and "Ray" (optical ray). According to the Blu-ray Disc Association the spelling of "Blu-ray" is not a mistake, the character "e" was intentionally left out so the term could be registered as a trademark.

The correct full name is Blu-ray Disc, not Blu-ray Disk (incorrect spelling)<br/>
The correct shortened name is Blu-ray, not Blu-Ray (incorrect capitalization) or Blue-ray (incorrect spelling)<br/>
The correct abbreviation is BD, not BR or BRD (wrong abbreviation)
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:So, Blu-ray Disc and Blu-ray are trademarks; either might work for the article title. In either case, since it is never appropriate to pluralize trademarks, when we speak about the items instead of the format it should be Blu-ray discs, not Blu-ray Discs, right? ] (]) 23:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per ], which is evident, and less so per ], which is only speculation. ]] 00:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
* '''Comment'''. I should be ] or ideally ]. ] (]) 06:23, 14 April 2015 (UTC).
::Except that ] suggests we capitalize trademarks. Look at the box above, from the ]. ] (]) 06:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Relisting comment''': There seems consensus that the current name is wrong, can we agree on a new name? ] (]) 10:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': The proposed name seems inaccurate, as it would seem to refer to the type of ray used to read the disc, rather than the disc and disc format itself. In the phrase "Blu-ray disc", "Blu-ray" functions as an adjective to identify the type of disc, and we generally prefer nouns as Misplaced Pages article titles. The current article name, especially when capitalized as noted by Dicklyon, also helps introduce the abbreviation "BD", which is used universally and consistently for things related to this disc format (e.g., search the article for "BD" and you'll find more than 100 matches). Retaining the "D" also helps provide symmetry with the terms and abbreviations for the earlier "CD" and "DVD" disc format names, which are universally used. No actual evidence has been provided that dropping "disc" is more common. I don't personally see how Andrew can perceive a consensus that the current name is wrong, given Dicklyon's extensive comments above (and very little said from anyone else). The stylized logo for the format (seen in the infobox, and on the cover art of the discs) includes the "D" in the abbreviation (in stylized form) and includes the full phrase with the word "Disc" (with the capitalization and spelling used in the current article title), and it seems to appear prominently on every disc, on the spine of every disc's box, near the top of the front cover of every disc's box, and in other places on every disc's box. Although "Blu-ray" by itself also appears to be a separately trademarked term and also appears on the cover art, I personally think the current title is more proper and probably more common. —] (]) 16:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
**'''Comment''': Oh well, we '''did''' once have consensus that the current name is wrong. We move on! ] (]) 18:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
**:I don't think we did have such a consensus then. Dick had posted an extensive argument saying the move was a bad idea, Red Slash had pointed out that there was no evidence provided for the common name argument, and Vlādis Mānisqā's off-topic suggestion for lowercasing had been clearly shot down by Dick. That's not a consensus to do anything. Slash put forth a conciseness suggestion, but that didn't outweigh Dick's extensive commentary. Yes, time to move on, and sorry for dredging the "water under the bridge". —] (]) 19:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Blu-ray is the common name. ] ]&#124;] 19:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - The issue for me here is whether we're talking about the technology (Blu-ray) or the storage media (Blu-ray Disc). Since the article seems to cover the storage media as an aspect of the technology as a whole, I'd say the article should be moved to ]. – ]] 10:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as ]. The discs themselves are almost always referred to as ''Blu-ray'', not ''Blu-ray disc'': , , , , , etc. and Google Books results . ] (]) 18:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Dicklyon's evidence shows that both forms are correct, and I don't think there is any confusion that the proposed title will be confused with the laser itself. ''']''' • ] 21:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Tempted to close but as my assessment of consensus above has been questioned, better to leave to others. The case has been well argued above. Let us move on. ] (]) 14:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
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== Dolby Digital Plus maximum bitrate ==

In accordance to other sources (]) the maximum bitrate for the audio "Dolby Digital Plus" should be 1.7Mbit/s instead of 4.736 Mbit/s. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Storage medium vs Storage format ==

This article talks about a storage format, but it also talks about an actual disc. One thing is the physical medium where the information is stored and another how the information is stored in said medium. This article is unclear about what is what.<br>
It says thing like "''The information density of the DVD format...''", but information density is a property of a physical medium, not of a storage format.<br>
It also says "''It was designed to supersede the DVD format, in that it is capable of storing high-definition video resolution (1080p)''", which implies that it's not possible to store HD video in a DVD. That is, of course, not true. You can store video of any definition either on a CD, DVD or BRD. Another thing, completely, is the standards for video players which use those disc in a certain way. Again, two different things. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I concur, there is ambiguity between the disc and the AV standard. "Obviously" video claims refer to the AV standard, but users should not have to guess.
:I think they should be split, as both are fairly long. --] (]) 17:59, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

== UltraHD BluRay: 4:4:4 chroma sub-sampling ==

It appears there's an edit war between people who think it will support 4:4:4 sub-sampling and others who think it will remain 4:2:0. Does anyone have direct access to the specs? Because a leak earlier this year suggested it will be limited to 4:2:0. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Separate article for Ultra HD Blu-ray? ==

Ultra HD Blu-ray is now covered as a section of the Blu-ray Disc article. Arguably, it is a separate standard with different disc structure (triple layer disc), different density, different video formats and encoding supported, etc., even though it shares some physical characteristics with Blu-ray Disc such as wavelength and numerical aperture (unlike DVD and CD). So the question it whether a separate section might be justified. ] (]) 20:19, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Now that the format is out, I must concur. It is a new format, incompatible with the old (Just try playing an Ultra HD disc in a regular Blu-ray player.), and it seems odd for it to only be listed as a section in this article given all the separate articles for other formats and in this instance would be like making HD-DVD a section of DVD. The only similar precedent that comes to mind is the way MUSE LD is a section of the Laserdisc article, but that was understandable given MUSE's obscurity.

Thus far wikipedia in general is extremely scant on Ultra HD Blu-ray mentions, with it usually not included in article home media sections, and only a handful of links to the section/redirect from articles. (Even UMD appears to have more!) What will justify more mentions, links, and in time hopefully a separate article? Will there have to be a couple hundred discs on the market to before any of this can happen? At the rate the releases are happening and being announced, this will be the case within a year or so. I’m not going to put it up right now, but I think the section should be flagged for an article ]. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I've performed the split. &mdash;]&nbsp;(]) 18:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Currently the resolution chart still has UHD resolutions. This should be moved to the UHD article, since it's confusing to have UHD material suddenly inserted into what seems to be a pure BD article. I believe it's incomplete for UHD BD too, since if that supports 4k at 60p it should support 2k at 60p. (I don't feel like looking it up to check, though.) ] (]) 16:26, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the current Blu-Ray article seems to be a bit conflicted, sometimes saying that Blu-Ray itself supports 4K UHD, aka 2160p (it doesn't) and 10-bit color depth (it doesn't), and other times pointing out that UHD Blu-Ray is a separate standard that supports these things (it is, and it does). Conflating the two makes it pretty confusing, as it suggests regular Blu-Ray can do these things, which would render UHD Blu-Ray unnecessary. It should be clearer that they're two separate formats. ] (]) 10:49, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

== Suggest to merge sections 'Variants' and 'Variations' ==

Section ] lists:
* Mini Blu-ray Disc
* Blu-ray Disc recordable
* BD9 and BD5
* BDXL
* IH-BD
while sections ] lists:
* High Fidelity Pure Audio (BD-A)
* AVCHD
* AVCREC
* Blu-ray 3D
* Ultra HD Blu-ray
I could see a distinction where the former are variations of the ''physical'' format while the latter are variations on ''data'' level but then Ultra HD Blu-ray is at least in the wrong section, as it's physical characteristics differ. It may be better to simply merge these two sections. Thoughts? ] (]) 17:48, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

== Colour sub-sampling for 4K ==

Two sub-sampling rates have bee edited in (4:4:4 and 4:2:0), both using unacceptable blogs to support them as references. I have also seen 4:2:2 quoted as the sub-sampling but using an equally dubious blog. Unless a truly authoritative source can be found to nail the sub-sampling rate down, any speculative guesses have no place in the article and I have removed the given rate accordingly. ] (]) 12:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

:This is interesting... 4:4:4 was reported, among others, by Trusted Reviews (the source I put back) and , which certainly are not blogs, and ''should'' be reliable sources. However, out of curiosity, I went and read the actual specification from BDA. It doesn't mention subsampling at all, so I figured it must be a feature of HEVC rather than Blu-ray itself. So off I went to the HEVC specs, and sure enough it supports 4:2:0, 4:2:2, and 4:4:4. But, I then went back to the UHD Blu-ray spec and found the following unassuming line: <blockquote>chroma_format_idc shall be set to “1”.</blockquote> What that means is, as it stands, UHD Blu-rays will only support 4:2:0 streams, exactly the same as regular Blu-rays. There is of course a slight caveat to that, which is there's nothing to stop a player taking a 2160p 4:2:0 stream and sending it to a display as 1080p 4:4:4 (all the necessary data is there), but it would be quite a stretch to call that 'supporting 4:4:4'. So to conclude, I think it's best the section stays as it is, not mentioning subsampling at all. ] (]) 02:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

::Now that is remarkably interesting and better researched than my (admittedly) quick effort. I have seen manufacturer claims before that claim their product supports some standard when it only does so by conversion. In one case a Blu-Ray player supporting 1080/50p and 1080/60p when in fact it would not play such discs but it did upscale 25i and 30i discs to 50p and 60p respectively - a similar situation to the example you gave. ] (]) 09:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

:: "There is of course a slight caveat to that, which is there's nothing to stop a player taking a 2160p 4:2:0 stream and sending it to a display as 1080p 4:4:4 (all the necessary data is there), but it would be quite a stretch to call that 'supporting 4:4:4'." That would indeed be a stretch. Until recently, HDMI didn't even support chroma sub-sampling, i.e. every DVD and BluRay player upsampled to 4:4:4. Personally, with all the information gathered (and the good source from the BluRay Disc Association) I think it is save to put "4:2:0" back into the article. Most people expected this anyways, because UHD BluRay is also limited to 10 bit and not 12 bit. HEVC v1 is limited to 10 bit and 4:2:0, so this is probably no coincidence. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:::I disagree. Why add something that hasn't changed to a list of improvements? ] (]) 19:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: The paragraph is not titled "improvements". I would add it because the misconception about 4k BluRay having sub-sampling 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 seems to exist, in part because Misplaced Pages helped spreading wrong information.<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

::::: If you look at the original context, it's clearly outlining ways UHD Blu-ray differs from regular Blu-ray. I do take your point, but if we start listing details that are the same we're going to end up rewriting half the article. I think it's best just to leave it until UHD Blu-ray gets its own article. (Side note: please sign your comments) ] (]) 17:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Typo in the supported video chart 23.97? ==

Should the frame rates be 29.97 instead of 23.97?
29.97 is 1/2 of 59.94.

I have never heard of 23.97 being used as a frame rate.

Mark
: No, 23.976 is correct. It is basically the NTSC version of 24 Hz (24000 / 1001 ~= 23.976, 60000 / 1001 ~= 59,940). If you buy a BluRay in the US with a Hollywood type cinema/blockbuster movie it will have this frame rate 99% of the time. (59.94 Hz is the field rate of 29.97 Hz interlaced. BluRay was not designed for progressive 29.97 fps.)

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== Controversial topic ==

Why is Blu-Ray in the 'Controversial topics' category - I don't think the battle between Blu Ray and DVD can quite be compared to that between George W Bush and Saddam Hussein, nor Adolf Hitler and Winston Churchill. Should this perhaps be removed. --] (]) 19:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

*It was because HD DVD fanboys kept inserting bullshit criticisms of Blu ray non stop back when the format war was going on, almost 15 years ago. I'll remove it. ] (]) 00:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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Any objections?

<code>{| class="wikitable"
|+ Supported video formats<ref>{{cite web |url=http://blu-raydisc.com/assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM-AV-WhitePaper_110712.pdf |title=White Paper: Blu-ray Disc Read-Only Format: 2.B Audio Visual Application Format Specifications for BD-ROM Version 2.5 |date=July 2011 |publisher=Blu-ray Disc Association |accessdate=July 29, 2015 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20151028131505/http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM-AV-WhitePaper_110712.pdf |archive-date=October 28, 2015 |url-status=live |df=mdy-all }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM_Part3_V3.0_WhitePaper_150724.pdf |title=White Paper: Blu-ray Disc Read-Only Format (Ultra HD Blu-ray): Audio Visual Application Format Specifications for BD-ROM Version 3.0 |date=July 2015 |publisher=Blu-ray Disc Association |accessdate=October 7, 2016 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160605030640/http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM_Part3_V3.0_WhitePaper_150724.pdf |archive-date=June 5, 2016 |url-status=live |df=mdy-all }}</ref>
|-
! Format !! style="width: 200px;" | Resolution and<br />frame rate !! style="width: 100px;" | Display aspect ratio
|-
| rowspan="6" | 4K UHD{{ref|video_table_note_a|}}
| 3840×2160 60p || 16:9
|-
| 3840×2160 59.94p || 16:9
|-
| 3840×2160 50p || 16:9
|-
| 3840×2160 25p || 16:9
|-
| 3840×2160 24p || 16:9
|-
| 3840×2160 23.976p || 16:9
|-
| rowspan="4" | HD{{ref|video_table_note_a|}}
| 1920×1080 60p || 16:9
|-
| 1920×1080 59.94p || 16:9
|-
| 1920×1080 50p || 16:9
|-
| 1920×1080 25p || 16:9
|-
| rowspan="12" | HD
| 1920×1080 29.97i || 16:9
|-
| 1920×1080 25i || 16:9
|-
| 1920×1080 24p || 16:9
|-
| 1920×1080 23.976p || 16:9
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| 1440×1080 24p{{ref|video_table_note_b|}} || 16:9{{ref|video_table_note_c|}}
|-
| 1440×1080 23.976p{{ref|video_table_note_b|}} || 16:9{{ref|video_table_note_c|}}
|-
| 1280×720 59.94p || 16:9
|-
| 1280×720 50p || 16:9
|-
| 1280×720 24p || 16:9
|-
| 1280×720 23.976p || 16:9
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| rowspan="2" | SD
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== Reverted change to "See also" ==

I've reverted by {{user|PhonoGraphLazer}} as I don't see why two other VHS formats (W-VHS and D-VHS) were removed and two other non-HD formats- ] and ] were added.

VideoNow in particular is a short-lived (and borderline novelty) format used for a kids' media player of the early-to-mid 2000s, and I've no idea why that belongs when (e.g.) D-VHS doesn't.

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If you are going on about “HD” this should go under ], I placed ] and ] because they’re discs of the same timeline, what’s VHS going to do with the subject? ] (]) 08:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

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== No mention of 8K Blu-ray? == == No mention of 8K Blu-ray? ==


I believe the 8K Blu-ray format as settled by the Blu-ray Disc Association should be mentioned in the article, even though this specification is currently released for Japan only. Source: --] (]) 01:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC) I believe the 8K Blu-ray format as settled by the Blu-ray Disc Association should be mentioned in the article, even though this specification is currently released for Japan only. Source: --] (]) 01:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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:::::::You make a point on why the word is there in the first place. I'm not talking about removing it, tho. I'll still be waiting until someone approves my change, and that will be it for you digital wikipedia entry editors. ] (]) 06:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC) :::::::You make a point on why the word is there in the first place. I'm not talking about removing it, tho. I'll still be waiting until someone approves my change, and that will be it for you digital wikipedia entry editors. ] (]) 06:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{U|Abc910}}'s proposals are fine, so is the existing text. Let's go find something more impactful to work on. ~] (]) 14:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC) :{{U|Abc910}}'s proposals are fine, so is the existing text. Let's go find something more impactful to work on. ~] (]) 14:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

== Misleading information involving video formats ==

UHD Blu-ray is a separate and incompatible format compared regular Blu-ray. BD supports up to 1080p24 or 1080i60, whereas UHD-BD allegedly does not support standard definition or interlaced content (need to find a a citable source on that, as well as verify whether 720p is valid for UHD-BD). The latter is apparently why UHD-BD releases tend to either upscale standard definition bonus features to 1080p, or present them on a separate BD formatted disc.

UHD-BD-exclusive technical information should be moved to ]. Perhaps "'''Blu-ray Disc'''" should be a separate page from "'''Blu-ray (video format)'''", like with ] vs ] and ], and with ] vs ] and ]. Blu-ray the disc format should not be conflated with Blu-ray the video format. <br/>— ] (]) 19:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

:I agree with this. The physical disc type should be a separate article from the logical format of the content stored on it. But since they are currently intertwined in this article, it would take long to split them. I might do it at some point.
:But does the article state anywhere that UHD Blu-ray is compatible with regular Blu-ray? Nonetheless, I will note the incompatibility as per ].
:Thank you for your input. ] ] ] 21:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:Looks like it is already done: "Ultra HD Blu-ray Discs are incompatible with existing standard Blu-ray players." ] ] ] 21:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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clarification of the term "PAL"

The number of lines and fields/frames, AND the colour encoding system for analogue signals, were set down by the national television standards committee - NTSC for short. (The "nation" involved is I believe the USA, but the term is more widely applied.) It is thus appropriate to refer to BOTH the resolution and the colour system as "NTSC".

PAL, however, stands for "phase - alternate line", and refers only to a colour encoding system; "phase, alternate line" does not mean anything when applied to a resolution. The resolution 576i is often incorrectly referred to as "PAL", but we should not promulgate such in an encyclopaedia.

you can have 480i PAL (as indeed Brazil did): NTSC resolution with PAL colour encoding; you can have 576i with NTSC colour encoding, though no-one did beyond the experimental stage (France and some other countries had 576i with SECAM colour, as opposed to PAL which was commoner).

To quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/PAL, "CCIR 625/50 and EIA 525/60 are the proper names for these (line count and field rate) standards; PAL and NTSC on the other hand are methods of encoding colour information in the signal." However, these terms are rarely used. It is valid to refer to 525/60 - or 480i - as "NTSC" since that body defined it; however, it is not valid to refer to 625/50 (576i) as "PAL". G6JPG (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Technically, that is correct. However, correctness is relative and not only created by technical definition but also by common use. Even the article PAL begins with it was broadcast at 625 lines, 50 fields (25 frames) per second , qualifies that at the end of the lede, and only mentions the exception for Brazil way down the text. I'd suggest using less surprising wording like 576i (commonly used with PAL). Technical nitpicking is out of place here in this article. --Zac67 (talk) 06:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

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https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1860150#post1860150 109.252.169.138 (talk) 04:49, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

No mention of 8K Blu-ray?

I believe the 8K Blu-ray format as settled by the Blu-ray Disc Association should be mentioned in the article, even though this specification is currently released for Japan only. Source: Blu-ray Disc Association Settles on 8K Format --Wengier (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

 Already done. Marked for the sake of completeness. CDVDBD 💿 📀 12:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Why is "digital" included in CD/DVD and Blu-ray? It's not necessary and misleading

Everything is "digital" talking about discs, why would it have to be included? Please, lets debate this. @Zac67.

Let's start with a question: How would you describe the Blu-ray/DVD/CD format to anyone? Well.... it is... a DISC, an OPTICAL disc. But you don't start or state at any point that it's digital, because it's obvious that it contains digital media.

And this isn't important; the real importance is in the confusion it takes when you start with "digital optical disc... etc." it's just missleading. I couldn't memorize all that at once if I wanted, but if you remove the "digital", I can, because it's implicit.

I propose adding the "digital" later on in the article, just after mentioning it's an OPTICAL disc data storage format.

@Zac67, what's your argument on having it necessarily included as the first world describing it? It's not the first word you think of or need for explaining it.

A healthy entry would be: Blu-ray (Blu-ray Disc or BD) is a high-capacity optical disc format used for storing and playing back digital audio and video content.

(uppercase for emphasis) Abc910 (talk) 01:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Abc910, an article on Misplaced Pages should summarize the highest quality sources. Additionally there are analog optical disc formats. Regards, Rjj(talk) 04:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
@Rjjiii YOu are right, and I don't deny that. I insist in the mistake of using it as the very very first word to describe what it is.
@Abc910: You seem to argument that it's obvious and redundant (so it shouldn't be misleading). I don't think it is. CD, DVD, BD are digital formats in contrast to former analog media like LaserDisc or various non-optical devices (phonograph, tape, CED, ...). --Zac67 (talk) 08:36, 21 September 2023‎
@Zac67, you didn't put your firm so I can't quote you, so I do it here.
LaserDisc quotes AT THE LAST of the first paragraph: Unlike most optical-disc standards, LaserDisc is not fully digital, and instead requires the use of analog video signals.
Why isn't it implicit in the VERY FIRST word that it's not fully digital? It should be: The LaserDisc (LD) is a not fully digital home video format ...
You say I said it's "obvious" and "redundant", and I admit that "obvious" was a bad use of the word, but it was to make a point. I didn't say "redundant" tho. It would be redundant if it said it is digital at the first word, and it said it later. But guess what, it doesn't mention the "digital" word in any other part of the article. Is this misleading?
MiniDisc is also digital, and go to the entry, it doesn't say "digital". Well, it actually doesn't even say in the entire entry it is! But MY DEAR Blu-ray has to have "digital" as the very very very first word that describes it, huh?
CD-Video neither even includes the word "digital", and those are the only ones I've checked of digital media. Abc910 (talk) 09:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
@Zac67 I propose this change for the entry, along with the other entries like CD and DVD and others:
Blu-ray (Blu-ray Disc or BD) is an optical disc format developed for digital storage and high-quality audiovisual content designed to supersede the DVD format. Abc910 (talk) 13:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
@Abc910: I prefer the current wording and oppose your proposal. --Zac67 (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
I oppose your opposal since my point of view is better for Misplaced Pages. The change will be approved when anyone with your similar status approves it. Thank you for your point of view. Abc910 (talk) 02:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
my point of view is better for Misplaced Pages OK everyone, Abc910 is here to fix everything that's wrong with Misplaced Pages, we can all quit now. I also oppose your proposed change. "Digital" helps readers who may be unfamiliar with the various differences in optical disc formats to understand that it is not analog as some preceding formats were. —Locke Coletc 04:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
You make a point on why the word is there in the first place. I'm not talking about removing it, tho. I'll still be waiting until someone approves my change, and that will be it for you digital wikipedia entry editors. Abc910 (talk) 06:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Abc910's proposals are fine, so is the existing text. Let's go find something more impactful to work on. ~Kvng (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Misleading information involving video formats

UHD Blu-ray is a separate and incompatible format compared regular Blu-ray. BD supports up to 1080p24 or 1080i60, whereas UHD-BD allegedly does not support standard definition or interlaced content (need to find a a citable source on that, as well as verify whether 720p is valid for UHD-BD). The latter is apparently why UHD-BD releases tend to either upscale standard definition bonus features to 1080p, or present them on a separate BD formatted disc.

UHD-BD-exclusive technical information should be moved to its own existing dedicated page. Perhaps "Blu-ray Disc" should be a separate page from "Blu-ray (video format)", like with DVD vs DVD-Video and DVD-Audio, and with Compact disc vs Compact Disc Digital Audio and Video CD. Blu-ray the disc format should not be conflated with Blu-ray the video format.
SirYodaJedi (talk) 19:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this. The physical disc type should be a separate article from the logical format of the content stored on it. But since they are currently intertwined in this article, it would take long to split them. I might do it at some point.
But does the article state anywhere that UHD Blu-ray is compatible with regular Blu-ray? Nonetheless, I will note the incompatibility as per WP:state the obvious.
Thank you for your input. CDVDBD 💿 📀 21:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Looks like it is already done: "Ultra HD Blu-ray Discs are incompatible with existing standard Blu-ray players." CDVDBD 💿 📀 21:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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