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==Lincoln was not at all a racist== |
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I am appalled that a racist was allowed to spread ignorance in Misplaced Pages which is much too refined for this. Just using a reference, one can make up anything they would like. Abraham Lincoln said what he said in order to win votes in order to be elected president so he could put an end to slavery. He had to speak to the same audiences as Stephen Douglas. Lincoln knew what he had to say to win.](]) 21:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 15:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:We need reliable sources. The hagiographic curriculum in middle school isn't sufficient ] ] 04:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Sorry for deleting the section, but it had some problems: (1) It didn't match the chronology of the neighbouring sections. (2) Part of it (the last paragraph) was unsourced, other parts were sourced to a book about Ghana, i.e. a source that doesn't focus on the subject. (3) In my opinion, it gave too much prominence to the influence of external factors. (4) Page numbers were missing. All these problems can be repaired, so feel free to restore a modified version of that section. ] (]) 16:32, 31 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:I agree that it is erroneous to ascribe Abraham Lincoln's words during the Fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate to his "ingrained racist attitudes". I'm sure it was something that he would rather not have had to say, but he was backed into a corner by Douglas and to say anything else at that time would have been political suicide. ] (]) 02:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:1) I feel this is more due to the structure of the page, as it jumps from ww2 to a rather vague overview of the period following (without including anything on the Cold War). If you could advise where you would place it that would be great. 2) Agree on the last paragraph, but it was more of a summary rather than any additional factual content so don't feel it needs referencing. The source about Ghana is actually very relevant in the context of the section - it talks about how those in Ghana were used as inspiration and a source of experience for the fight against racial inequality at home: this links to the MLK sermon source. 3) I don't really understand what you mean by this - everything in the section was linked back to how it impacts racism in the US, so don't see how a factor being internal/external makes any difference. 4) Agreed, will happily change this. ] (]) 09:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::Editing on WP is all about following reliable sources (RS). 1) If you feel that the structure is flawed, you may correct it (respecting consenus and ], of course). But I see your addition as causing a break in the structure. 2) If reliable sources (academic books) focussing on racism in the U.S. don't mention the inspriration from Ghana, then we have to follow those reliable sources and be silent about it, too. 3) I was applying ]: We have to give prominence according to reliable sources. How much prominence would an academic book about racism in the U.S. give to the points you want to add ? (see also ], but I don't suspect you of tendentious editing). ] (]) 08:21, 2 June 2023 (UTC) |
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I found this quite interesting article on ]. Maybe it has some use in this or some related articles. Fwiw, it includes a list of sources. ] (]) 11:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== exclusion of non-Americans == |
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When this article uses the term Americans, does it exclude non U.S. nationals? Racism does not target "Americans" only, I would think. ] (]) 23:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC) |
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I am appalled that a racist was allowed to spread ignorance in Misplaced Pages which is much too refined for this. Just using a reference, one can make up anything they would like. Abraham Lincoln said what he said in order to win votes in order to be elected president so he could put an end to slavery. He had to speak to the same audiences as Stephen Douglas. Lincoln knew what he had to say to win.Daviddaniel37(talk) 21:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)