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== UK regulation == == Move discussion in progress ==

There is a move discussion in progress on ] which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. <!-- Talk:Usage of electronic cigarettes#Requested move 28 November 2023 crosspost --> —] 13:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Cannabis ==

Vaping isn't only for nicotine. I'd like to see this article expanded to include the increasingly common practice of vaping cannabis products. ] (]) 22:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

:They have different nomenclature and health effects. E-cigarettes replace cigarettes. THC vapes are not intended to simulate cigarettes and are often referred to as vape pens.
:While all e-cigarettes are based on glycerin and/or propylene glycol, THC vapes usually use an oily substance. ] (] • ] 02:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

==Even unguided e-cigarette use among smokers unwilling to stop smoking is effective in causing smoking cessation==

What is this meant to mean?—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 16:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

:It looks like someone read a study, took it as fact, and copied the text into the lead. I've tried to remedy it. ]] 17:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

==Revert 24th April 2024==
Re: {{diff2|1220517884|this revert}}.

AlexGallon, I can see why you've done this, but with this particular article we need to bear in mind our audience. A substantial proportion of the people who type "electronic cigarette" into the search box are teenagers considering taking a puff—and English isn't necessarily their first language. So the lead of this particular article tries to use the simplest possible grammatical constructions. Short, declarative sentences in the active voice with as few subclauses as possible. We can use college level English in the body text; it's just the lead that needs to be super-accessible.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 08:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Understood, and I agree with your reasoning{{snd}}very well explained, so thank you. ] (]) 18:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

== Evidence shows that many users who begin by vaping will go on to also smoke traditional cigarettes. ==

This line is not supported by it's own sources, especially in the context of it's section regarding "gateway drugs". It has a heavy lean towards the negative.

> Evidence shows that many users who begin by vaping will go on to also smoke traditional cigarettes.

Suggest changing this to:

> There is little evidence to suggest that e-cigarettes act as a gateway to traditional smoking at present, and further research is needed to clarify the strength and veracity of any correlations between the two. However, evidence does suggest that those who have smoked e-cigarettes will try a traditional cigarette at least once in their life.


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The article implies that vapes are only available on prescription in the UK, and none have been approved. This isn't the case as vaping is all over the high street. This needs work. ] (]) 22:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


This source does not even discuss the topic, it is not a research paper related to the discussion: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.113.006416
== Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2023 ==


The only thing remotely related is from the Author of the study speaking their personal opinion regarding potential ethical concerns, for it to be _potentially_ a gateway drug:
{{Edit semi-protected|Electronic cigarette|answered=yes}}
I would like this to be added to the section about the marketing of electronic cigarettes this is a great survey.
While electronic cigarettes have been marketed as a safer alternative to traditional cigarettes, surveys have shown that 90% of nicotine users state that they started abusing nicotine before the age of 18(Bhatnagar et.al, 2019). Highlighting the risk that e-cigarettes and their relationship to marketing can pose to young people. As nicotine use during adolescence can lead to long-term addiction, making it difficult to quit throughout adulthood. Mental health issues and other risky behaviors are often linked to nicotine use in adolescents, underscoring the need for comprehensive support and intervention for vulnerable youth. With 70% of teens reported exposure to e-cigarette advertising such as posters of Juul and other disposable vape companies in gas stations(Bhatnagar et.al, 2019). Concerns have been raised about the impact of marketing on youth and the glorification of the use of these products, emphasizing the need for tighter regulation and control over the marketing and sale of e-cigarettes to protect public health.
https://www.ahajournals.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1161%2FCIR.0000000000000669 ] (]) 00:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Please rewrite in accordance with the ], paying particular attention to the standards for grammar and syntax. Many of the sentences you have written are grammatically incorrect or confusing. Remember that easier to read = better! :) Running your text through a proofreading program might also help if you're struggling with that. ] (]) 12:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


"The growing ubiquity of e-cigarettes lends itself to ethical scrutiny. Many have expressed concern about the potential for e-cigarettes to act as a “gateway” to cigarette smoking.39,40 Unlike other NRTs, e-cigarettes provide a recreational function and could feasibly entice unintended product users (eg, nonsmokers and youth) to engage in smoking-like behavior when they otherwise would not. However, it is unclear how many youth or nonsmokers are purchasing these products."
== efficacy for smoking cessation in observational studies ==


The page cites meta-analyses finding no evidence for EC aiding smoking cessation in observational studies, Hedman et al. explicitly stating the quality of included studies are "consistently low".


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However, Vilanti et al have refrained from a meta-analyses for studies diverse in their quality. Instead, they graded studies based on their quality, and found that ''"Only a small proportion of studies seeking to address the effect of e-cigarettes on smoking cessation or reduction meet a set of proposed quality standards. Those that do are consistent with randomized controlled trial evidence in suggesting that e-cigarettes can help with smoking cessation or reduction."''


This source specifically states there is not enough evidence: https://apps.who.int/gb/fctc/PDF/cop6/FCTC_COP6_10-en.pdf


Quote (Page 6, point D):
How do we reflect these findings in the page? ] (] • ] 20:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


"These data do not allow the conclusions to be drawn as to whether this is a sign
*I think that we're turning the lead into a fudgy mess again and I'm not thrilled about it. The whole fourth paragraph is terrible, and in particular, {{tq|For people trying to quit smoking without medical help, e-cigarettes have not been found to raise quit rates, but the quality of evidence on this was graded "consistently low"}} is a ''ghastly'' sentence. We need to keep this article accessible for teenagers, including teenagers of lower reading attainment. That's a key purpose of writing an encyclopaedia.
of adolescent smokers switching to ENDS, an established pattern of dual use, or a temporary
:If you can write "quitting smoking", don't write "discontinuing tobacco smoking".
experimentation fashion. Therefore, in the absence of longitudinal data, existing evidence does
:If you're able to cite a randomised controlled trial, you don't have to begin your sentence with "In randomised controlled trials". The lead should be intelligible to people who don't have a scientific background and won't be able to make sense of that. The readers who do have that background will be checking the citations anyway.
not allow an affirmation or rejection of the role of ENDS in increasing nicotine addiction
:If there's high quality evidence that vaping helps smokers quit even when they aren't getting medical advice, then that's brilliant and lets us simplify the article a great deal. We should cite the study that says so.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 22:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
among adolescents above existing uptake rates, much less as to whether ENDS lead to smoking
::Good points - agreed.] (] • ] 02:25, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
in these countries. Among adults the pattern of dual use seems also the predominant one,
resulting in a reduction of smoked cigarettes and with few never smokers starting to use ENDS
(below 1% of the population)"


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== update to "Heath effects" section: secondhand vape is more dangerous than secondhand smoke ==


This source does not draw conclusions, only specifically stating there is a strong correlation between:
the American Heart Association put out an article talking about the negative health effects of secondhand vaping https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/05/31/in-secondhand-vape-scientists-smell-risk


- EVER having used e-cigs and EVER smoking a cigarette (what kind of e-cig use? In passing? Habitual? Etc?)
the article says that secondhand vape is even more dangerous than secondhand smoke on account of the heavy metals in e-cig aerosol particles.


- Current users of e-cigs and EVER having smoked a cigarette (this does not support the statement above, it is not a gateway if someone who uses e-cigs tries a cigarrette out of curiosity, nothing else being available, or simply tried it at some point in their life, etc).
vapes should also not be described as a "safe alternative" to cigarettes because they actually contain more nicotine than traditional cigarettes


"Ever users of ENDS/ENNDS had over three times the risk of ever cigarette use (ARR 3·01 (95% CI: 2·37, 3·82; p<0·001, I2: 82·3%), and current cigarette use had over two times the risk (ARR 2·56 (95% CI: 1·61, 4·07; p<0·001, I2: 77·3%) at follow up. Among current ENDS/ENNDS users, there was a significant association with ever (ARR 2·63 (95% CI: 1·94, 3·57; p<0·001, I2: 21·2%)), but not current cigarette use (ARR 1·88 (95% CI: 0·34, 10·30; p = 0·47, I2: 0%)) at follow up."
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416371/juul-delivers-substantially-more-nicotine-previous-generation-e-cigs-and


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] (]) 16:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
:These are primary source studies, the 2nd one specifically about JUUL. We should not use either until ] sources appear. ] (]) 17:43, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


The only source (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/3/e045603#T1) which seems to support the lean this statement has, is very unclear with regards to whether the measured effect was "never users becoming habitual tobacco users after using e-cigarrettes", or "former cigarettes users who tried e-cigarettes relapsing to cigarettes", or "never users having _ever_ smoked a cigarette after first using e-cigarettes" and so on. It cannot support the statement it is attempting to. ] (]) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
== Determinist statement ==


*This is a medical article, so we apply medical sources in accordance with ]. The systematic review and meta-analysis published in the BMJ trumps the WHO paper.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 19:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
In the second paragraph of the "Young adult and teen use" section it states that young people who do not smoke vape… this comes across as a generalisation of All young people. It simply is not true and maybe should be amended ] (]) 10:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*:Regardless, one source which itself does not claim a gateway effect, only a correlation between vaping and smoking, still does not support this statement. It itself makes no claims to a ‘gateway theory’.
:{{Fixed}} it now reads "Many young people who would not smoke are vaping" —&nbsp;] <sup>(]</sup> <sup>])</sup> 13:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*:Only that vapers will eventually try a cigarette at some point. The heavy lean in the context of that section implies use of one leads to habitual use of the other. There is _no_ evidence to support this. ] (]) 21:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
*::I'm afraid I read the source very differently. It says: {{tq|meta-analysis showed e-cigarette users were much more likely than non-users to go on to smoke combustible cigarettes, even after adjusting for covariates}}, and {{tq|meta-analysis showed a markedly higher odds of combustible cigarette use in those who had used e-cigarettes}}.{{pb}}My position is that the first of those is not a claim of a correlation. It's a claim that vapers ''go on'' to smoke tobacco, and the sequence is clear: first they vape, then they become more likely to start smoking. "Gateway" is a reasonable way to summarize this.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 23:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
*:::You are implying causation, when there is only correlation. A "gateway" must in itself be the cause, but as we all know, people do not start smoking because they start smoking. The evidence is unclear, and that is clear. ] (]) 23:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
*::::For example, I could find a strong correlation between those who drink water, and those who eat food. People who eat food at the start of their life are 9001x more likely to drink water, and people who start drinking water in their life are extremely likely to also begin to eat food. However, neither of these things are caused by each other.
*::::There is simply too many other factors here to suggest that e-cigarrette usage is _the_ cause of later tobacco usage. ] (]) 23:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
*:::::The article doesn't say it's _the_ cause. I do understand the difference between correlation and causation, and in my view the BMJ source is clearly claiming the latter and not the former, so there doesn't seem to be much possibility of us agreeing about this.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 08:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
*::::::I do not believe that making alarmist statements based on personal interpretations of semantics is valid documentation, reporting, or science.
*::::::Given the three other sources mentioned do not even remotely appear to agree, or are not even remotely related to the topic, it seems very clear that statement was ham fisted in with an intended bias. I’m not sure how that’s not very obvious to you. ] (]) 12:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::Well, hang on. This article does have quite a number of phrasing problems, and there's definitely a lot of hamfisted language.{{pb}}The article was started by a problematic editor, who is now not allowed to edit any medical articles at all. There was quite a lot of drama about him. The article needs properly checking and rewriting. That's an exercise I've been slowly chiselling away at for years and will continue when I get the opportunity.{{pb}}I won't make the specific edit you ask for, but that doesn't mean I won't listen to you and it doesn't mean I oppose other changes. I would particularly welcome proposals that make the article more accessible (reduce the reading age, simplify convoluted sentences, but without simplifying the underlying thoughts), and I'd also welcome proposals to replace poor sources with meta-analyses and systematic reviews published in medical journals. I do expect you'll be able to find places where previous editors have been unduly skeptical about e-cigarettes, and I do hope to work with you to fix them.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 14:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2023 == == Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2024 ==


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Evidence shows that many users who begin by vaping will go on to also smoke traditional cigarettes.
Change "am" to "an" in the first paragraph ] (]) 06:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 07:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)


Suggest changing this to:
== Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2023 ==


There is little evidence to suggest that e-cigarettes act as a gateway to traditional smoking at present, and further research is needed to clarify the strength and veracity of any correlations between the two. However, evidence does suggest that those who have smoked e-cigarettes will attempt a traditional cigarette at least once in their life
Merge the second and third sentences of the second paragraph using “although” ] (]) 21:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
*We're trying to write those first four paragraphs in very short, clear sentences because we want to make sure the lead is easy for teens to understand. This article's audience includes young people in lower attainment quartiles who are considering taking a puff.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 22:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


See talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Electronic_cigarette ] (]) 23:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023 ==


*Not done. I'll reply in the other section you started, explaining why.—]&nbsp;<small>]/]</small> 19:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected|Electronic cigarette|answered=no}}
Hey there are shit for your fucking health so delete the page now ] (]) 21:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Cannabis

Vaping isn't only for nicotine. I'd like to see this article expanded to include the increasingly common practice of vaping cannabis products. Tad Lincoln (talk) 22:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

They have different nomenclature and health effects. E-cigarettes replace cigarettes. THC vapes are not intended to simulate cigarettes and are often referred to as vape pens.
While all e-cigarettes are based on glycerin and/or propylene glycol, THC vapes usually use an oily substance. Zvi Zig (talk • contribs 02:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Even unguided e-cigarette use among smokers unwilling to stop smoking is effective in causing smoking cessation

What is this meant to mean?—S Marshall T/C 16:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like someone read a study, took it as fact, and copied the text into the lead. I've tried to remedy it. Reconrabbit 17:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Revert 24th April 2024

Re: this revert.

AlexGallon, I can see why you've done this, but with this particular article we need to bear in mind our audience. A substantial proportion of the people who type "electronic cigarette" into the search box are teenagers considering taking a puff—and English isn't necessarily their first language. So the lead of this particular article tries to use the simplest possible grammatical constructions. Short, declarative sentences in the active voice with as few subclauses as possible. We can use college level English in the body text; it's just the lead that needs to be super-accessible.—S Marshall T/C 08:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood, and I agree with your reasoning – very well explained, so thank you. AlexGallon (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Evidence shows that many users who begin by vaping will go on to also smoke traditional cigarettes.

This line is not supported by it's own sources, especially in the context of it's section regarding "gateway drugs". It has a heavy lean towards the negative.

> Evidence shows that many users who begin by vaping will go on to also smoke traditional cigarettes.

Suggest changing this to:

> There is little evidence to suggest that e-cigarettes act as a gateway to traditional smoking at present, and further research is needed to clarify the strength and veracity of any correlations between the two. However, evidence does suggest that those who have smoked e-cigarettes will try a traditional cigarette at least once in their life.

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This source does not even discuss the topic, it is not a research paper related to the discussion: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.113.006416

The only thing remotely related is from the Author of the study speaking their personal opinion regarding potential ethical concerns, for it to be _potentially_ a gateway drug:

"The growing ubiquity of e-cigarettes lends itself to ethical scrutiny. Many have expressed concern about the potential for e-cigarettes to act as a “gateway” to cigarette smoking.39,40 Unlike other NRTs, e-cigarettes provide a recreational function and could feasibly entice unintended product users (eg, nonsmokers and youth) to engage in smoking-like behavior when they otherwise would not. However, it is unclear how many youth or nonsmokers are purchasing these products."


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This source specifically states there is not enough evidence: https://apps.who.int/gb/fctc/PDF/cop6/FCTC_COP6_10-en.pdf

Quote (Page 6, point D):

"These data do not allow the conclusions to be drawn as to whether this is a sign of adolescent smokers switching to ENDS, an established pattern of dual use, or a temporary experimentation fashion. Therefore, in the absence of longitudinal data, existing evidence does not allow an affirmation or rejection of the role of ENDS in increasing nicotine addiction among adolescents above existing uptake rates, much less as to whether ENDS lead to smoking in these countries. Among adults the pattern of dual use seems also the predominant one, resulting in a reduction of smoked cigarettes and with few never smokers starting to use ENDS (below 1% of the population)"

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This source does not draw conclusions, only specifically stating there is a strong correlation between:

- EVER having used e-cigs and EVER smoking a cigarette (what kind of e-cig use? In passing? Habitual? Etc?)

- Current users of e-cigs and EVER having smoked a cigarette (this does not support the statement above, it is not a gateway if someone who uses e-cigs tries a cigarrette out of curiosity, nothing else being available, or simply tried it at some point in their life, etc).

"Ever users of ENDS/ENNDS had over three times the risk of ever cigarette use (ARR 3·01 (95% CI: 2·37, 3·82; p<0·001, I2: 82·3%), and current cigarette use had over two times the risk (ARR 2·56 (95% CI: 1·61, 4·07; p<0·001, I2: 77·3%) at follow up. Among current ENDS/ENNDS users, there was a significant association with ever (ARR 2·63 (95% CI: 1·94, 3·57; p<0·001, I2: 21·2%)), but not current cigarette use (ARR 1·88 (95% CI: 0·34, 10·30; p = 0·47, I2: 0%)) at follow up."

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The only source (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/3/e045603#T1) which seems to support the lean this statement has, is very unclear with regards to whether the measured effect was "never users becoming habitual tobacco users after using e-cigarrettes", or "former cigarettes users who tried e-cigarettes relapsing to cigarettes", or "never users having _ever_ smoked a cigarette after first using e-cigarettes" and so on. It cannot support the statement it is attempting to. J. Christ Denton (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  • This is a medical article, so we apply medical sources in accordance with WP:MEDRS. The systematic review and meta-analysis published in the BMJ trumps the WHO paper.—S Marshall T/C 19:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    Regardless, one source which itself does not claim a gateway effect, only a correlation between vaping and smoking, still does not support this statement. It itself makes no claims to a ‘gateway theory’.
    Only that vapers will eventually try a cigarette at some point. The heavy lean in the context of that section implies use of one leads to habitual use of the other. There is _no_ evidence to support this. J. Christ Denton (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    I'm afraid I read the source very differently. It says: meta-analysis showed e-cigarette users were much more likely than non-users to go on to smoke combustible cigarettes, even after adjusting for covariates, and meta-analysis showed a markedly higher odds of combustible cigarette use in those who had used e-cigarettes.My position is that the first of those is not a claim of a correlation. It's a claim that vapers go on to smoke tobacco, and the sequence is clear: first they vape, then they become more likely to start smoking. "Gateway" is a reasonable way to summarize this.—S Marshall T/C 23:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    You are implying causation, when there is only correlation. A "gateway" must in itself be the cause, but as we all know, people do not start smoking because they start smoking. The evidence is unclear, and that is clear. J. Christ Denton (talk) 23:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    For example, I could find a strong correlation between those who drink water, and those who eat food. People who eat food at the start of their life are 9001x more likely to drink water, and people who start drinking water in their life are extremely likely to also begin to eat food. However, neither of these things are caused by each other.
    There is simply too many other factors here to suggest that e-cigarrette usage is _the_ cause of later tobacco usage. J. Christ Denton (talk) 23:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
    The article doesn't say it's _the_ cause. I do understand the difference between correlation and causation, and in my view the BMJ source is clearly claiming the latter and not the former, so there doesn't seem to be much possibility of us agreeing about this.—S Marshall T/C 08:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
    I do not believe that making alarmist statements based on personal interpretations of semantics is valid documentation, reporting, or science.
    Given the three other sources mentioned do not even remotely appear to agree, or are not even remotely related to the topic, it seems very clear that statement was ham fisted in with an intended bias. I’m not sure how that’s not very obvious to you. J. Christ Denton (talk) 12:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
    Well, hang on. This article does have quite a number of phrasing problems, and there's definitely a lot of hamfisted language.The article was started by a problematic editor, who is now not allowed to edit any medical articles at all. There was quite a lot of drama about him. The article needs properly checking and rewriting. That's an exercise I've been slowly chiselling away at for years and will continue when I get the opportunity.I won't make the specific edit you ask for, but that doesn't mean I won't listen to you and it doesn't mean I oppose other changes. I would particularly welcome proposals that make the article more accessible (reduce the reading age, simplify convoluted sentences, but without simplifying the underlying thoughts), and I'd also welcome proposals to replace poor sources with meta-analyses and systematic reviews published in medical journals. I do expect you'll be able to find places where previous editors have been unduly skeptical about e-cigarettes, and I do hope to work with you to fix them.—S Marshall T/C 14:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Evidence shows that many users who begin by vaping will go on to also smoke traditional cigarettes.

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There is little evidence to suggest that e-cigarettes act as a gateway to traditional smoking at present, and further research is needed to clarify the strength and veracity of any correlations between the two. However, evidence does suggest that those who have smoked e-cigarettes will attempt a traditional cigarette at least once in their life

See talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Electronic_cigarette J. Christ Denton (talk) 23:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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