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== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way == |
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== LGBT Rights sub-section sourcing is problematic. == |
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Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip: |
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So after responding to @]'s talk page post above. I reviewed the article for any potential ] material. After taking a look at the sub-section " LGBT Rights" (Under section "Political Views"), the sub-section contains a few ] and ] sourcing citations. We have Mic.com which isn't on the ], but it was singularly sourced in the first sentence about banning transitioning individuals from joining the military. The next sentence about Disney is sourced by Forbes Contributor which is classified as generally unreliable on RSP, as well as a marginally reliable HuffPo Political piece. (Which if we remove the gunrel Forbes piece will be a single sourced mrel piece). We also have a sentence singularly cited with a gunrel YouTube url. I have no issue with leaving the ] cited material. But the other content only cited by gunrel and mrel need to be removed. ] (]) 17:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC) |
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" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ |
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:Totally agree. Inconsistent sourcing makes all sourcing seem unreliable ] (]) 16:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC) |
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"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124" |
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<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:: I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. ] 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::yeah there was a source that claimed she supported same sex marriage but I couldn't find anything of her stating that. What she claims indicates otherwise ] (]) 02:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Update required - controversies == |
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== The Honorable == |
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Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour |
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Reading from ] article we find "In the United Kingdom, all sons and daughters of ] and ] (including the holders of ]) and the younger sons of ] are styled with this prefix." As the child of a Lord, this means George Farmer is styled this way. And given a wife shares the title of her husband this means Candace Owens is in fact ''The Honorable Candace Owens''. So do stop deleting this correct form of address. ] (]) 19:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC) |
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 == |
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:Does this comply with MOS ? Also, is there a reference for this that describes her title? If not it should probably be left off. ] (]) 20:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::Owens is styled ''The Honarable'' , , and . She can also be found using the style herself . ] (]) 21:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::In those sources the title appears to apply when used to the couple rather than as an individual. I think it's an interesting fact and could be included in the part about her marriage. I'm not sure it should be applied as you are trying but I will let others weigh in. ] (]) 23:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::This matter should not really be an issue of any sort. She (Candace) is the wife of the son of a baron in the UK. She is automatically styled with the honorific '''Honorable'''. Her marriage to George Farmer (which is very well reported to have actually indeed occurred on 31 August 2019) is the proof that she is entitled to this honorific. The fact that she is entitled to this honorific is not (or should not be) debatable. The only real question is where in a biographical article should her designated honorific be used. It is this latter question that is a matter for the ]. Regardless of anything else, WP ''person'' info-boxes have provision for specifying the honorific of its subject. At the very least, one would expect that her honorific be specified within the info-box. If someone thinks that the honorific should not be specified inside the info-box, then that discussion should be taken up by the experts of that particular info-box (the ''person'' info-box in the present case) and otherwise would be a separate question than anything to do with Candace. If the info-box developers (experts) made provision for an honorific (which they have done up until the present time), then that should be honored and used until the info-box itself removes that provision. If someone feels that provision for an honorific within the ''person'' info-box should be removed, you should take your case to the talk page of the info-box in question; namely, ] --] (]) 01:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::The Honorable, as used in the context of Brittish nobility, can be found in the infoboxes of, to name a few examples; ], ], ], ], and ]. So I find no reason why the same would not apply to Owens. Maybe it would be appropriate to add a sentence in Personal life to clarify that she is entitled to the style following her marriage. ] (]) 08:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::: "The Honourable" is used for a large amount of reasons, not just nobility (many of those you've mentioned above are not nobility). However it would only apply to Owens in the sense that she is the wife of a son of a baron, and therefore she would be styled ''The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer'' not ''The Hon. Candace Owens (or Candace Farmer)''. ] 10:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::That was what I was thinking/wondering about. I don't see an issue mentioning that in the article as the provided Yahoo news source does support that, as a couple, they have that title. It doesn't in my reading support that the title would independently apply to her. ] (]) 12:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::: Yes, I took the section out but would have no objection to it being put back with a more accurate reading of what her title actually is. Obviously, as a couple, ''The Hon. George and Candace Farmer'' is correct as well. I think the Yahoo source just puts it clumsily. ] 12:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I have never in my life before heard of a couple title. Owens is to be styled ''The Honorable'', irregardless of what follows be it Candace Owens or Mrs Geroge Farmer. ] (]) 14:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::: I didn't say it was a couple title, I was pointing out how the "Honourable" should be written when it refers to the couple (i.e. not ''The Hon. George and Hon. Candace Farmer''). And Owens is always ''The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer'' if you're going to use the honorific, ''not'' her own name (as her honorific only stems from her marriage). ] 14:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::I know I'm correct, but I'll stop arguing because I can't be bothered anymore. ] (]) 15:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I think it is an interesting fact, I wouldnt mind a small section mentioning it as more trivia. However, if we can't verify that this is correct with ] I think it lacks notability and would unfortunately fall under ]. ] (]) 20:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Education in infobox == |
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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages |
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Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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This parameter shouldn't be used for non-graduates, per |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Infobox_person/doc "It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise" |
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::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">— ] <small>] | ] | ] ]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 == |
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Unless there has been a consensus somewhere that i haven't seen |
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--] (]) 18:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:In this case I would say that it's very relevant to her career as a journalist, especially since it's discussed further along in the article. I'd like to hear what others have to say. –] ] 18:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I would leave it out. My general feeling is this is a line for information about secondary degrees. As an example, is notable for not having graduated high school yet was a big proponent of education later in life. His bio box doesn't have an education line. ] (]) 19:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:Leave it out it's not important. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::Impertinent. Actually the article as a whole has potential but is a conglomerate of negativity. I'd wager several other articles in the political sphere written and slanted like this would have been rewritten many a moon ago--] (]) 00:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Basically every article of BLPs who lean towards the right of the political spectrum is like this. Its a major problem on the eng wiki --] (]) 00:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Unclear sentence in the lede of the article == |
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The unclear sentence is as follows: "During the 2023 Israel-Hamas War, she criticized the Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and accused the nation of "genocide" against the Palestinian people." The unclear part is "accused the nation" without giving any clue which nation the author of the sentence meant. There is no clear indication before or after. I don't want to correct the sentence not knowing what the author meant. ] (]) 03:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Endorsement of Ramaswamy? == |
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Text stating that Owens endorsed ] for President has been correctly removed more than once for citing deprecated sources per ]. I've found two sources not listed as deprecated that contradict each other on this. Given the contradictions, I think this can be left out of the article, but I thought the sources might be worth sharing here. |
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: Mr. Ramaswamy also has played up his connections to two prominent personalities in the online conservative press-sphere, a Daily Wire host, Candace Owens, and a podcaster, Tim Pool, touting Ms. Owens’s endorsement in a video released by his campaign. |
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:: — {{cite news |last1=Payne |first1=Russell |title=With Only Days To Spare, Ramaswamy Raises His Profile in Iowa With Fresh Endorsements and Viral Videos Cheered by the Online Right |url=https://www.nysun.com/article/with-only-days-to-spare-ramaswamy-raises-his-profile-in-iowa-with-fresh-endorsements-and-viral-videos-cheered-by-the-online-right |access-date=February 3, 2024 |work=The New York Sun |date=January 11, 2024 |url-status=live |url-access=subscription |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205658/https://www.nysun.com/article/with-only-days-to-spare-ramaswamy-raises-his-profile-in-iowa-with-fresh-endorsements-and-viral-videos-cheered-by-the-online-right |archive-date=January 11, 2024 |language=en}} |
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: Asked if her appearance with Ramaswamy amounted to an endorsement, Owens did not directly answer. She said while she had "never endorsed a candidate in the past," she came to Iowa because she believed her appearance "would invite more media” and that "people would come out and listen to what he had to say." |
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:: — {{cite news |last1=Barton |first1=Tom |title=Haley, Ramaswamy make Eastern Iowa stops in caucus closing sprint |url=https://www.thegazette.com/iowa-caucuses/haley-ramaswamy-make-eastern-iowa-stops-in-caucus-closing-sprint/ |access-date=February 3, 2024 |work=] |date=January 14, 2024 |location=]}} |
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— ] (]) 15:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:yeah, this sort of "did they or didn't they" is why ] is clear: it has to be an RS or a verifiably the person primary source and they really have to say "endorse" or a close synonym, and Owens appears to be specifically avoiding the word "endorse" or something amounting to it - ] (]) 15:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:
Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages
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Not done: Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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