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			== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way ==
	== LGBT Rights sub-section sourcing is problematic. ==

			Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:
	So after responding to @]'s talk page post above. I reviewed the article for any potential ] material. After taking a look at the sub-section " LGBT Rights" (Under section "Political Views"), the sub-section contains a few ] and ] sourcing citations. We have Mic.com which isn't on the ], but it was singularly sourced in the first sentence about banning transitioning individuals from joining the military. The next sentence about Disney is sourced by Forbes Contributor which is classified as generally unreliable on RSP, as well as a marginally reliable HuffPo Political piece. (Which if we remove the gunrel Forbes piece will be a single sourced mrel piece). We also have a sentence singularly cited with a gunrel YouTube url. I have no issue with leaving the ] cited material. But the other content only cited by gunrel and mrel need to be removed. ] (]) 17:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

			" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/
	:Totally agree. Inconsistent sourcing makes all sourcing seem unreliable ] (]) 16:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
			"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"

			<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
	:: I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. ] 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
	:::yeah there was a source that claimed she supported same sex marriage but I couldn't find anything of her stating that. What she claims indicates otherwise ] (]) 02:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

			== Update required - controversies ==
	== Education in infobox ==

			Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour
	This parameter shouldn't be used for non-graduates, per
			https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Infobox_person/doc "It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise"

			== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 ==
	Unless there has been a consensus somewhere that i haven't seen
	--] (]) 18:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Candace Owens\|answered=yes}}
	:In this case I would say that it's very relevant to her career as a journalist, especially since it's discussed further along in the article. I'd like to hear what others have to say. –] ] 18:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
			Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages
	:I would leave it out. My general feeling is this is a line for information about secondary degrees. As an example, is notable for not having graduated high school yet was a big proponent of education later in life. His bio box doesn't have an education line. ] (]) 19:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
	:Leave it out it's not important. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
	::Impertinent. Actually the article as a whole has potential but is a conglomerate of negativity. I'd wager several other articles in the political sphere written and slanted like this would have been rewritten many a moon ago--] (]) 00:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
	:::Basically every article of BLPs who lean towards the right of the political spectrum is like this. Its a major problem on the eng wiki --] (]) 00:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

			Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">— ] <small>] \| ] \| ] ]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 ==
	== Unclear sentence in the lede of the article ==

			{{edit semi-protected\|Candace Owens\|answered=yes}}
	The unclear sentence is as follows: "During the 2023 Israel-Hamas War, she criticized the Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and accused the nation of "genocide" against the Palestinian people." The unclear part is "accused the nation" without giving any clue which nation the author of the sentence meant. There is no clear indication before or after. I don't want to correct the sentence not knowing what the author meant. ] (]) 03:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
			Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

			:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx\|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Endorsement of Ramaswamy? ==

	Text stating that Owens endorsed ] for President has been correctly removed more than once for citing deprecated sources per ]. I've found two sources not listed as deprecated that contradict each other on this. Given the contradictions, I think this can be left out of the article, but I thought the sources might be worth sharing here.

	: Mr. Ramaswamy also has played up his connections to two prominent personalities in the online conservative press-sphere, a Daily Wire host, Candace Owens, and a podcaster, Tim Pool, touting Ms. Owens’s endorsement in a video released by his campaign.
	:: — {{cite news \|last1=Payne \|first1=Russell \|title=With Only Days To Spare, Ramaswamy Raises His Profile in Iowa With Fresh Endorsements and Viral Videos Cheered by the Online Right \|url=https://www.nysun.com/article/with-only-days-to-spare-ramaswamy-raises-his-profile-in-iowa-with-fresh-endorsements-and-viral-videos-cheered-by-the-online-right \|access-date=February 3, 2024 \|work=The New York Sun \|date=January 11, 2024 \|url-status=live \|url-access=subscription \|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205658/https://www.nysun.com/article/with-only-days-to-spare-ramaswamy-raises-his-profile-in-iowa-with-fresh-endorsements-and-viral-videos-cheered-by-the-online-right \|archive-date=January 11, 2024 \|language=en}}

	: Asked if her appearance with Ramaswamy amounted to an endorsement, Owens did not directly answer. She said while she had "never endorsed a candidate in the past," she came to Iowa because she believed her appearance "would invite more media” and that "people would come out and listen to what he had to say."
	:: — {{cite news \|last1=Barton \|first1=Tom \|title=Haley, Ramaswamy make Eastern Iowa stops in caucus closing sprint \|url=https://www.thegazette.com/iowa-caucuses/haley-ramaswamy-make-eastern-iowa-stops-in-caucus-closing-sprint/ \|access-date=February 3, 2024 \|work=] \|date=January 14, 2024 \|location=]}}

	— ] (]) 15:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

	:yeah, this sort of "did they or didn't they" is why ] is clear: it has to be an RS or a verifiably the person primary source and they really have to say "endorse" or a close synonym, and Owens appears to be specifically avoiding the word "endorse" or something amounting to it - ] (]) 15:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way

Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:

" I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings, it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ "HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.8.0.81 (talk) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Update required - controversies

Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html 61.68.185.198 (talk) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages

Ron Jeremy 2601:807:100:DB0:108B:E1C2:E454:A782 (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done: Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@LizardJr8 Per MOS:LABEL, contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. — gabldotink 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following MOS:LEADCITE. Re-opening the request. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

This is now sourced. Whether or not this is MOS:LABEL is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate MOS:EUPHEMISM. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Remove that she is an anti semite. Naseehaaaaaa (talk) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Grayfell (talk) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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