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==Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Culture== |
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{{dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment | course = Misplaced Pages:Wiki_Ed/California_State_University_Northridge/Gender_and_Culture_(Fall_2023) | assignments = ] | start_date = 2023-08-28 | end_date = 2023-12-18 }} |
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<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by ] (]) 17:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)</span> |
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== Irrelevant image; suggesting deletion or alteration == |
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This image, used under the Social Categories heading, is irrelevant. The Male / Female / Transgender symbols in the first column are widely used, however the remaining symbols in the second and third column are "Made up symbols for gender / sex in SF articles", in the words of the image's creator. |
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These made-up symbols are not adding anything of value to the page, and are only confusing/misleading. |
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a) delete the image entirely |
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b) crop the image so only the Male / Female / Transgender symbols are present |
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c) replace the image with a different chart (perhaps something like this https://img.freepik.com/free-vector/gender-symbols-set-outline-black-signs-isolated-white-background-simple-illustration_171739-336.jpg?size=626&ext=jpg ) |
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d) replace the image with a collection of pride flags that represent various genders (i.e. transgender, demiboy, demigirl, non-binary, agender, etc) |
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I think (a) or (b) or (d) are most suitable. |
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(c) has the issue where gender symbols (in my lived experience as a trans person) do not have common community agreement and are not frequently used. |
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(d) is a better solution, since the flags have community support and are well-understood icons. |
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(a) is simple and easy solution. ] (]) 17:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:I think you are right that there is something off here. Not that there is anything intrinsically wrong with the image itself, but that it is confusing in this context. It is slightly different versions of the same four symbols in three variants but a reader might not realise that. Your option C has a mix of gender and sexuality symbols and so that would be confusing as well. Option D, pride flags, is not so good as not all genders have pride flags (and we don't want to encourage trolls to add their dimwitted monochrome cis or straight flags). So that leaves A and B. Just removing it would definitely be a valid option but something like B would be better. Even better still, I think we already have the image we need on the ] article which we can reuse. |
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:I am going to swap that one in, because I think that is clearly a step in the right direction, but that doesn't have to be the last word on this. If anybody has any further ideas then please say. --] (]) 18:51, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, that wasn't as easy as I had hoped. The image wasn't an image at all. It was symbols in an infobox. I have transplanted it as best I can. Maybe it shouldn't be an infobox? If so, does anybody know how to changeit into something more appropriate while keeping the contents as they are? --] (]) 19:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Opening sentence - are "man" and "woman" genders? == |
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The picture of a naked man abd a naked woman illustrate human sexes. It does not illustrate their genders (which as drawings they can't have). A depiction of human genders would need to involve some element of how two people behave as society provides for them to act according to their sexes. For instance, the male might be holding a hunting weapon appropriate for big game, and the female might be weaving a basket. ] (]) 16:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The opening sentence isn't quite clear: {{tq|"social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity."}}; does this therefore imply that being a man or woman is a gender?. It seems very ambiguous to imply that men and women are genders ''outright'', given that this is in the first sentence in an article entitled simply "gender". ] (]) 14:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:I.e., why does the sentence employ "man" and "woman" instead of "male" and "female", which are the terms generally used regarding the gender binary? ] (]) 14:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:By the time the ] bearing that image launched, 1) The terms ''gender'' and ''sex'' had started to be used more interchangeably, and 2) most human societies had evolved far beyond the hunter/gatherer stage. ] (]) 19:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::This article has changed a lot since I first started working on it. Back then "gender" was the most common way to refer to whether any organism, human or otherwise, was male or female. And by "most common," I mean "in the English language overall," not "in the social sciences as written in English." If you said "sex," it'd be like that time on ''The Simpsons'', when Lisa said "These dolls are sexist" and the other girls laughed and said "Lisa said a dirty word!" As Haig writes, in and around 2003, the words were functionally interchangeable. I like that the article shows that the FDA changed its in-house definition of the term more than once. We could use a few examples from outside the U.S. ] (]) 20:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::You may wish to review past discussions of the lead, which are collected and linked here: ]. Thank you, ] (]) 18:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::Semiotics aside, a good reason to prefer the current phrasing is that "being a ] ..." more clearly communicates "embodying the male gender" and is less ambiguous than "being ]" which could be confused with "being assigned male at birth". Doesn't help that our article ] is about sperm-producing organisms, something which has given gender-related articles immense strife over the years. –] (] • ]) 18:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::The article on male closes the lede by saying {{tq|In humans, the word male can also be used to refer to gender, in the social sense of gender role or gender identity}}. I honestly think "man, woman" in this article should simply change to male and female, as it is clear that the gender-binary refers most commonly to male-female, masculine-feminine, and not man-woman. One can {{tq|embody the male gender}} as a ''boy'' as well... ] (]) 11:11, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Additionally, I'm sure you'd agree that there is ambiguity in the current wording; it is unclear whether or not "man" and "woman" are genders ] (]) 11:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
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The rise of criticism against the WID approach led to the emergence of a new theory, that of Women and Development (WAD). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhum.group2 (talk • contribs) 17 May 2019 (UTC)
In contemporary times, most literature and institutions that are concerned with women's role in development incorporate a GAD perspective, with the United Nations taking the lead of mainstreaming the GAD approach through its system and development policies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhum.group2 (talk • contribs) 17 May 2019 (UTC)
The picture of a naked man abd a naked woman illustrate human sexes. It does not illustrate their genders (which as drawings they can't have). A depiction of human genders would need to involve some element of how two people behave as society provides for them to act according to their sexes. For instance, the male might be holding a hunting weapon appropriate for big game, and the female might be weaving a basket. P0M (talk) 16:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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