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== Plot summary for lead ==
== I added a section that plays the entire opera as 30 ogg files ==


I replaced
I added the gallery of 30 ogg files that I found on ]. You might instead prefer a link out to a review of Bergman's 1977 film that is under construction in Wikiversity at ]. I might add that this collection from Commons has value even though one can always find a rendition of this opera for free on the internet: Unlike YouTube or other online sites, this version is guaranteed to be stable and free of advertisements. Also, my German is ''Nicht gut'', and I was constrained to use short titles. You might want to edit that.--] (]) 21:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you for that gallery. However, it now duplicates 4 numbers from the 1953 Fricsay recording. I don't like those numbers removed from their textual context, so I don't know how to avoid the duplication. Placing all 30 files in the text would leave no room for pictures, unless we ] the text. So I guess we have to live with that duplication.<p>As for the English translations: I strongly suggest to retain the original German incipits – they are universally much better recognized. Further, it would be helpful if we could align the numerals (currently 1–30) of the sound files to the numbering in the score (Overture, 1–21). Maybe the sound files could be joined in a table with the current list "Musical numbers". I will try that within the next few days. -- ] (]) 00:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
::I don't edit Misplaced Pages much, but agree that you should use German labels if you can't find reputable translations. Opinions don't count for much on this wiki. Also, consider putting the entire collection on Commons (with linkouts from Misplaced Pages and Wikiversity.) If we put it on Commons, I might be able use the subst: template option to format the wikitext on a wiki without resorting to templates (though I personally prefer the simple gallery.) Another option is to put the collection on Misplaced Pages's ].--] (]) 03:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


''The allegorical plot was influenced by Schikaneder and ] and concerns the initiation of Prince Tamino. Enlisted by the Queen of the Night to rescue her daughter Pamina from the high priest Sarastro, Tamino comes to admire the high ideals of Sarastro. He and Pamina both join Sarastro's community, while the Queen and her allies are vanquished.
::{{ping|Michael Bednarek}} You probably know about this, but I found a more flexible way to display sound files. The template also works on Commons: {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 14. O Isis und Osiris (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|O Isis und Osiris}}--] (]) 04:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
::For my latest effort, see ]--] (]) 15:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


with an older version:
===Act 1===

# Introduction: "Zu Hilfe! Zu Hilfe! Sonst bin ich verloren" – Tamino, Three Ladies {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 02. Zu hilfe! Zu hilfe! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}
''In the opera the Queen of the Night persuades Prince Tamino to rescue her daughter Pamina from captivity under the high priest Sarastro; instead, he learns the high ideals of Sarastro's community and seeks to join it. Separately, then together, Tamino and Pamina undergo severe trials of initiation, which end in triumph, with the Queen and her cohorts vanquished. The earthy Papageno, who accompanies Tamino on his quest, fails the trials completely but is rewarded anyway with the hand of his ideal female companion Papagena.
# Aria: "Der Vogelfänger bin ich ja" (The birdcatcher am I) – Papageno {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 03. Der Vogelfänger bin ich ja (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}

# Aria: "]" (This image is enchantingly beautiful) – Tamino {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 04. Dies Bildnis ist bezaubernd schön (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}
Reasons:
# Recitative and aria: "]" (Oh, tremble not, my beloved son) – The Queen of the Night {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 05. O zittre nicht, mein lieber Sohn (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}
* The view that the plot is allegorical (i.e. about Maria Theresia) is controversial, and perhaps is even acquiring the status of a crackpot theory; see ] for discussion.
# Quintet: "Hm Hm Hm" – Tamino, Papageno, Three Ladies {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 06. Hm, hm, hm (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}
* The Freemasonry claim is certainly common but it is now called into question by thoughtful people; see again ]. While it may still have adherents, in general we don't put controversial speculation into the lead as if it were fact.
# Terzet: "Du feines Täubchen, nur herein!" – Monostatos, Pamina, Papageno {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 07. Du feines Täubchen, nur herein! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}
* The old plot summary I restored is hardly any longer but has some really essential things: the trials the characters undergo, and the character Papageno (who I suspect has more stage time than anyone else).
# Duet: "Bei Männern, welche Liebe fühlen" (In men, who feel love) – Pamina and Papageno {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 08. Bei Männern, welche Liebe fühlen (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}}
] (]) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
# Finale 1: "Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 09. Zum Ziele führt dich diese Bahn (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}} / Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 10. Wie stark ist nicht dein Zauberton (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}} / Das klinget so herrlich {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 11. Schnelle Füße, rascher Mut (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}} / Es lebe Sarastro" {{Audio|W. A. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - 12. Es lebe Sarasto, Sarastro soll leben! (Ferenc Fricsay, 1953).ogg|}} {{outdent}}--How does this look? Click the sound file to hear the piece.] (]) 01:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
:::(ec) Thanks for showing how this might work using {{t|Audio}}. After you reminded me above about that template, I, too, thought this would be be the simplest option, and your example shows indeed how simple and non-intrusive it is. However, the disadvantage of {{tnl|Audio}} is its lack of player controls – it only does "Stop" and "Restart from beginning", no "Continue". The thumbnail presentation only offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue" (no "Restart from the beginning"), but the template {{t|Listen}} offers "Start", "Pause", "Continue", and a slider to position the playback forward or backward, and it shows the track's duration; it does not allow to change the width of the playback bar. On balance, I think that's what I would like to implement. You can see this method at ]. -- ] (]) 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Christmas Oratorio#Part 1 would be a better template, but looks difficult to create. Are you good at making Wikitables? Do you need any help? Meanwhile, I will quickly finish my simpler version an post it on Wikiversity with a call for student essays. The quickest way to contact me is at ], but I will also monitor this page and keep you posted on my progress.--] (]) 02:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::I will implement that table-based presentation in a day or two. -- ] (]) 03:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Plot summary for lead

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The allegorical plot was influenced by Schikaneder and Mozart's interest in Freemasonry and concerns the initiation of Prince Tamino. Enlisted by the Queen of the Night to rescue her daughter Pamina from the high priest Sarastro, Tamino comes to admire the high ideals of Sarastro. He and Pamina both join Sarastro's community, while the Queen and her allies are vanquished.

with an older version:

In the opera the Queen of the Night persuades Prince Tamino to rescue her daughter Pamina from captivity under the high priest Sarastro; instead, he learns the high ideals of Sarastro's community and seeks to join it. Separately, then together, Tamino and Pamina undergo severe trials of initiation, which end in triumph, with the Queen and her cohorts vanquished. The earthy Papageno, who accompanies Tamino on his quest, fails the trials completely but is rewarded anyway with the hand of his ideal female companion Papagena.

Reasons:

  • The view that the plot is allegorical (i.e. about Maria Theresia) is controversial, and perhaps is even acquiring the status of a crackpot theory; see Libretto of the Magic Flute for discussion.
  • The Freemasonry claim is certainly common but it is now called into question by thoughtful people; see again Libretto of the Magic Flute. While it may still have adherents, in general we don't put controversial speculation into the lead as if it were fact.
  • The old plot summary I restored is hardly any longer but has some really essential things: the trials the characters undergo, and the character Papageno (who I suspect has more stage time than anyone else).

Opus33 (talk) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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