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'''Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi'''{{Efn|{{langx|ar|عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي}}}} (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, ],<ref name="dictator">
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Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator:
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{{bulleted list|{{Cite news |title=Egypt’s rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous |url=https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/10/03/egypts-rushed-election-shows-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-is-nervous |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613 |quote="Last month Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt’s military dictator..."}}|{{Cite web |last=Dunne |first=Michele |date=2019-04-08 |title=Why Is Trump Helping Egypt’s Dictator Entrench His Power? |url=https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/donald-trump-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-egypt-226579/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO Magazine |language=en}}
|{{Cite web |title=President Trump, Condemn This Sham Egyptian Election {{!}} The Washington Institute |url=https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/president-trump-condemn-sham-egyptian-election |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=www.washingtoninstitute.org |language=en |quote="...issued a statement praising the Egyptian dictator's magnificent work for the country"}}
|{{Cite news |title=A Blank Check for Egypt's Dictator |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-26/u-dot-s-dot-gives-egypts-dictator-a-blank-check?embedded-checkout=false |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=Bloomberg.com |language=en}}
|{{Cite web |last=Toosi |first=Nahal |date=2021-07-12 |title=In D.C. visit, Egypt spy boss claims U.S. agreed — in writing — to jail American activist |url=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/egypt-spy-boss-jail-american-498983 |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO |language=en |quote="...Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian dictator who has imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents."}}{{Cite web |last=Lawler |first=Dave |date=2019-04-23 |title=Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi could rule until 2030 after winning referendum |url=https://www.axios.com/2019/04/23/sisi-referendum-rule-egypt-2030-constitution |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Axios |language=en |quote="He has now cemented his status as Egypt's dictator without losing his position as a U.S. ally."}}
|{{Cite web |last=Greenwald |first=Glenn |date=2015-03-31 |title=Obama Personally Tells the Egyptian Dictator That U.S. Will Again Send Weapons (and Cash) to His Regime |url=https://theintercept.com/2015/03/31/obama-lifts-freeze-weapons-transfer-egyptian-dictator/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=The Intercept |language=en-US}}
|{{Cite web |last=Williams |first=Jennifer |date=2017-04-03 |title=Egypt’s president is a bloodthirsty dictator. Trump thinks he’s done a “fantastic job.” |url=https://www.vox.com/world/2017/4/3/15160358/trump-egypt-abdel-fattah-el-sisi-white-house |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Vox |language=en-US}}|{{Cite news |date=2020-12-01 |title=Egypt President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi: Ruler with an iron grip |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730 |access-date=2024-11-22 |work=BBC News |language=en-GB}}|{{Cite news |title=Egypt is again under military rule, but Sisi lacks Nasser's appeal |url=https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal |access-date=2024-11-25 |url-access=subscription|work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613|archive-url=https://archive.today/2021.08.26-144020/https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal|archive-date=2021-08-26|url-status=live}}|{{Citation |last=Grewal |first=Sharan |title=Egypt: A Coup against Democracy |date=2023-07-25 |work=Soldiers of Democracy? |pages=136–176 |url=https://academic.oup.com/book/46755/chapter-abstract/414394851?redirectedFrom=fulltext |access-date=2024-11-25 |publisher=Oxford University PressOxford |doi=10.1093/oso/9780192873910.003.0007 |isbn=0-19-287391-1}}|{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}}}</ref> and retired military officer who has been serving as the ] and current ] since 2014.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}</ref>


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Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:
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*'''A.''' Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of ], ], ], ]
*'''B.''' No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of ], ], ], ]
*'''C.''' No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead.
*'''D. ''' No he should not be, and he should '''not''' be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body.
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Talk:Abdel Fattah el-Sisi

The opening to the Abdel Fattah el-Sisi article read:

Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, dictator, and retired military officer who has been serving as the sixth and current president of Egypt since 2014.

(The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place)

Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:

  • A. Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Kim Jong Un, Hafez al Assad, Pinochet
  • B. No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Mohammed bin Salman, Ilham Aliyev, Isaias Afwerki
  • C. No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead.
  • D. No he should not be, and he should not be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body.
  • E. Other (please elaborate)

Firecat93 (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Mackinac Center for Public Policy

This a request for comment on the above question and previous section. Is the Mackinac Center for Public Policy a Conservative group and should be described as such? And does the polices listed above overrule the more widely available references describing their relationships and them as Conservative vs Free-Market? ContentEditman (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)

Should Misplaced Pages:Administrators#Restoration of admin tools be amended to:
  • Option 1 – Require former administrators to request restoration of their tools at the bureaucrats' noticeboard (BN) if they are eligible to do so (i.e., they do not fit into any of the exceptions).
  • Option 2 – Clarify Maintain the status quo that former administrators who would be eligible to request restoration via BN may instead request restoration of their tools via a voluntary request for adminship (RfA).
  • Option 3 – Allow bureaucrats to SNOW-close RfAs as successful if (a) 48 hours have passed, (b) the editor has right of resysop, and (c) a SNOW close is warranted.

Background: This issue arose in one recent RfA and is currently being discussed in an ongoing RfA. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Please do not bite the newcomers

There are several questions, as follows:
  1. Should the lead of the current guideline be replaced with lead of the rewrite?
  2. Should the "Common newcomer scenarios" section and the "How to avoid being a "biter" section of the current guideline be replaced with "How to avoid biting" section of the rewrite?
  3. Should the "Ignorantia juris may excuse" section of the current guideline be replaced with the "It is okay not to be aware of guidelines" section of the rewrite?
  4. Should the "What to do if you feel you have "bitten" or "have been bitten" section of the current guideline be replaced with the "I have bitten someone—what do I do?" section of the rewrite?

The proposed rewrite can be found here: Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers/rewrite. Please refrain from making significant changes to the rewrite while the RfC is ongoing. Also see the idea lab discussion: Misplaced Pages:Village pump (idea lab) § Rewriting WP:BITE. After the last RfC, User:Alalch E. has done work on cleaning up the "Understanding newcomers" section. Ca 14:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War

The RfC is whether to retain or remove Syrian mercenaries from the belligerents section of the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Template talk:Expand language

Should the sentence in the instructions to this template "If possible, verify the text with references provided in the foreign-language article" be reworded? Fangz (talk) 10:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (sports)

RfC: Should the following paragraph be added to WP:NMOTORSPORT?

10. Meet the following criteria for the the respective single seater series: A driver who has met at least one of the following criteria for single seater racing:

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GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


  1. Arabic: عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي
  1. Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator:
  2. "EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' | Human Rights Watch". 2024-03-15. Retrieved 2024-12-14.
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