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== Update Controversies,Moon Landings, 2024:she's "never believed in the moon landings",no longer accurate to quote 2022 "she claims she doesn't care" either way == |
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== LGBT Rights sub-section sourcing is problematic. == |
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Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip: |
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So after responding to @]'s talk page post above. I reviewed the article for any potential ] material. After taking a look at the sub-section " LGBT Rights" (Under section "Political Views"), the sub-section contains a few ] and ] sourcing citations. We have Mic.com which isn't on the ], but it was singularly sourced in the first sentence about banning transitioning individuals from joining the military. The next sentence about Disney is sourced by Forbes Contributor which is classified as generally unreliable on RSP, as well as a marginally reliable HuffPo Political piece. (Which if we remove the gunrel Forbes piece will be a single sourced mrel piece). We also have a sentence singularly cited with a gunrel YouTube url. I have no issue with leaving the ] cited material. But the other content only cited by gunrel and mrel need to be removed. ] (]) 17:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC) |
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" '''I've never been a person that believed in the moon landings''', it's always felt a little foolish to me...in 1969 we had basically NOTHING technologically and then we stopped going after a period of years during which our government really wanted to distract us from some stuff that they were doing overseas" (0:00:37-0:00:54), https://old.bitchute.com/video/24gC1gnNNTNb/ |
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:Totally agree. Inconsistent sourcing makes all sourcing seem unreliable ] (]) 16:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC) |
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"HOW WE FAKED THE MOON LANDING WITH BART SIBREL, CANDACE EP 124" |
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<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:: I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. ] 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::yeah there was a source that claimed she supported same sex marriage but I couldn't find anything of her stating that. What she claims indicates otherwise ] (]) 02:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Update required - controversies == |
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== Endorsement of Ramaswamy? == |
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Australian visa has been cancelled ahead of her speaking tour |
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Text stating that Owens endorsed ] for President has been correctly removed more than once for citing deprecated sources per ]. I've found two sources not listed as deprecated that contradict each other on this. Given the contradictions, I think this can be left out of the article, but I thought the sources might be worth sharing here. |
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/extremist-influencer-candace-owens-australian-visa-cancelled-by-immigration-minister-20241026-p5klj9.html ] (]) 02:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2024 == |
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: Mr. Ramaswamy also has played up his connections to two prominent personalities in the online conservative press-sphere, a Daily Wire host, Candace Owens, and a podcaster, Tim Pool, touting Ms. Owens’s endorsement in a video released by his campaign. |
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:: — {{cite news |last1=Payne |first1=Russell |title=With Only Days To Spare, Ramaswamy Raises His Profile in Iowa With Fresh Endorsements and Viral Videos Cheered by the Online Right |url=https://www.nysun.com/article/with-only-days-to-spare-ramaswamy-raises-his-profile-in-iowa-with-fresh-endorsements-and-viral-videos-cheered-by-the-online-right |access-date=February 3, 2024 |work=The New York Sun |date=January 11, 2024 |url-status=live |url-access=subscription |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205658/https://www.nysun.com/article/with-only-days-to-spare-ramaswamy-raises-his-profile-in-iowa-with-fresh-endorsements-and-viral-videos-cheered-by-the-online-right |archive-date=January 11, 2024 |language=en}} |
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{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}} |
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: Asked if her appearance with Ramaswamy amounted to an endorsement, Owens did not directly answer. She said while she had "never endorsed a candidate in the past," she came to Iowa because she believed her appearance "would invite more media” and that "people would come out and listen to what he had to say." |
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Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages |
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:: — {{cite news |last1=Barton |first1=Tom |title=Haley, Ramaswamy make Eastern Iowa stops in caucus closing sprint |url=https://www.thegazette.com/iowa-caucuses/haley-ramaswamy-make-eastern-iowa-stops-in-caucus-closing-sprint/ |access-date=February 3, 2024 |work=] |date=January 14, 2024 |location=]}} |
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— ] (]) 15:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Ron Jeremy ] (]) 10:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> Discussed in article, e.g. Political Views section. ] (]) 20:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::@] Per ], contentious labels like "far-right" should have in-text citations at the position of the statement. A source comment saying "sourced below" is not nearly sufficient. <span lang="en">— ] <small>] | ] | ] ]</small></span> 17:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Fair enough, I was not aware of that one. I was following ]. Re-opening the request. ] (]) 00:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::This is now sourced. Whether or not this is ] is debatable, since any other way to describe her views would likely violate ]. It's better to be clear and straightforward than to be evasive. ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2024 == |
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:yeah, this sort of "did they or didn't they" is why ] is clear: it has to be an RS or a verifiably the person primary source and they really have to say "endorse" or a close synonym, and Owens appears to be specifically avoiding the word "endorse" or something amounting to it - ] (]) 15:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Owen's Crusade against Macron's wife == |
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Given that it has raised a lot of heat and been widely reported, maybe her latest determination to "out" Macron's wife as transsexual would deserve mention in the "Controversies" section? |
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Collection of news links: [https://www.google.com/search?q=Candace+Owens+slammed+for+pushing+debunked+conspiracy+theory+that+French+first+lady+Brigitte+Macron+is+biological+man&rlz=1C1BYYL_svSE944SE944&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1]https://www.google.com/search? |
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] (]) 21:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2024 == |
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{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}} |
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{{edit semi-protected|Candace Owens|answered=yes}} |
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Remove that she is an anti semite. ] (]) 06:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Candace Owens is not far right. This is a term with no accurate description. I question the sources used to determine she is far right. She is Conservative. ] (]) 18:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> The statement in the header is '''extremely''' well-cited and the term ] is well-established. If you feel there's an issue with it, please take it up on the talk page before requesting an edit. ] ] 19:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Was recently added without consensus, i've reverted it for now -- ] (]) 19:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Removal of "far-right" descriptor == |
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Since some editors are objecting to the inclusion of the term ] without discussing it on the talk page, I'll start the discussion. |
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I believe the use of the term is appropriate here. There's quite a few news sources (provided in the ]) that use the term when referring to her, and a quick search . |
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Other American politicans pages such as ] use the term with a similar number of citations. ] ] 20:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:She's far more commonly called conservative. MTG is a rare exception for this extreme tag, see the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Marjorie_Taylor_Greene#Neutrality_Dispute_Tag --] (]) 21:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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: I agree with using the label of far right. As is the standard on wikipedia we use what the media uses to describe her. There are 6 different citations in listed ]. ] (]) 21:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Most sources call her conservative --] (]) 21:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::, . However I think since this is very recent news and determining how the media is describing her I suggest waiting a bit more to see what the language around her is. I suggest we wait til the 24th and wait to see how this develops. ] (]) 21:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Just a bunch of examples for 'conversative': , , , , , , , , , , , , including one calling her "the face of black conservatism". And we literally have a section titled "Conservative activism", so unless someone wants to rewrite her entire Career and Views section, this should not go in the lead --] (]) 21:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Fair point. I did find her article a bit unorganized but its true. As i said i think we should wait to see ] (]) 10:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::It appears that conservative is the more common label. "Far right" is a contentious label given that Misplaced Pages's article on the subject links the label to Nazis etc. The original edit trying to justify the label contained some OR in order to justify the label. Even if we have some sources that use the label, given the BLP concerns here we should scrutinize them for quality. Such labels are often reporter opinion mixed into factual reports on what she said. ] (]) 13:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Daily Wire career in body == |
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The intro mentions Candace's departure from the DailyWire, however this is not verified in the body. In general, ] so it would be good to cover her 'career' and time (and eventual departure) at DailyWire in the body. ] (]) 23:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 09:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:it does. It's mentioned in the race section and in the career section. ] (]) 23:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Currently, it just quotes her as "Addressing a 2022 tweet about the Moon landing being "faked", Owens stated on comedian Bill Maher's Club Random podcast that she does not know or care enough about the Moon landing to call it a hoax, stating that she has "never cared about the topic."" But she can no longer say she doesn't care, found this video clip:
Erase the line in which you state Candice Owen’s is either “conservative or far right”. Bias doesn’t have a place on Misplaced Pages