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	== Reliability of sources listed at ] ==		== Reliability of sources listed at ] ==
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	I've observed that many users often refer to ] when assessing the reliability of sources used in articles related to Indian films/actors. I believe it's time to completely update the current list located at WP:ICTFSOURCES. Many of the sources listed there are involved in press releases, paid branding, and brand posts. The ] on this matter took place eight years ago, and within this timeframe, the credibility of many sources has likely changed. Therefore, I'm initiating a new discussion to update the list. I'm pinging @] as they discussed this matter in the NPP discord channel a few months ago. I'm also pinging users who participated in the previous discussion for their input. @], @]. – ] (''']''') 08:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)		I've observed that many users often refer to ] when assessing the reliability of sources used in articles related to Indian films/actors. I believe it's time to completely update the current list located at WP:ICTFSOURCES. Many of the sources listed there are involved in press releases, paid branding, and brand posts. The ] on this matter took place eight years ago, and within this timeframe, the credibility of many sources has likely changed. Therefore, I'm initiating a new discussion to update the list. I'm pinging @] as they discussed this matter in the NPP discord channel a few months ago. I'm also pinging users who participated in the previous discussion for their input. @], @]. – ] (''']''') 08:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
	:I agree. Most of the sources are biased and paid. A certain concrete guideline must be set and preferably an RfC must be done to single out the actual tracker websites. {{pb}}Also, I should add that in down South, such tracker websites do not exist. Sites such as Pinkvilla only track the movies only if the movie makes headlines. Hence, that should also be kept in mind. The discrepancies between the actual collections and the publicized collections by the producers have caused multiple edit wars in many pages, especially in Malayalam movie pages. So, if we can get a consensus on that, it would be great. Thanks. ] (]) 13:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)		:I agree. Most of the sources are biased and paid. A certain concrete guideline must be set and preferably an RfC must be done to single out the actual tracker websites. {{pb}}Also, I should add that in down South, such tracker websites do not exist. Sites such as Pinkvilla only track the movies only if the movie makes headlines. Hence, that should also be kept in mind. The discrepancies between the actual collections and the publicized collections by the producers have caused multiple edit wars in many pages, especially in Malayalam movie pages. So, if we can get a consensus on that, it would be great. Thanks. ] (]) 13:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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	:::{{Done}} I have created a shortcut ] (Yes, a pun on ''essay'' and ''Source Analysis'' as well). More sources can be added onto it from ICTFFAQ or after consensus from here or RSN. Thanks. ] (]) 04:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		:::{{Done}} I have created a shortcut ] (Yes, a pun on ''essay'' and ''Source Analysis'' as well). More sources can be added onto it from ICTFFAQ or after consensus from here or RSN. Thanks. ] (]) 04:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	::::Good work Herald. – ] (''']''') 04:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		::::Good work Herald. – ] (''']''') 04:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Could someone add a section for Indiantelevision.com as well. Please refer . Thanks ] <sup>(] ] ])</sup> 12:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
	* Current sources listed as reliable:
			::::::Done. Now please add your views and comments too :) ] (]) 12:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
	'''''Note: Please do not edit the verdict line there is no clear consensus in ], or on ] or any talk pages. Only the clear consensus discussions are deemed automatically reliable.'''''
			*'''''Note: Please do not edit the verdict line when there is no clear consensus in ], or on ] or any talk pages. Only the clear consensus discussions are deemed automatically reliable.'''''
			=== 123Telugu ===
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			;Comments: I see this being added to pages on the same day the articles come out. Gives me the impression of possible COI. Regardless, there seems to be discussion that it is not reliable. --] (]) 01:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

			:About us shows that the site is owned by Telugu film producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy. This itself makes it unreliable I think. ] (]) 15:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

			{{ping\|The Herald}}, is there a time period for commenting you are hoping for? Wondering if some of these such as those discussed already at RSN should be added to the list. --] (]) 05:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::I don't have a specific time period in my mind. But the ones who's reliability or unreliability is established, we can close the subsection and add it to the list. Ideally, an uninvolved editor should close, so maybe we can ping some admin or someone who's active here for that. ] (]) 05:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::Makes sense. Thanks. --] (]) 07:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::I have posted on ] to get verdict on these sources moviecrow.com, 123telugu.com, Indiaglitz.com, cinejosh.com, behindwoods.com, thesouthfirst.com, latestly.com. Still what you think of these sources? {{ping\|CNMall41}} {{ping\|The Herald}} ] (]) 14:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Except for Cinejosh I see the others as usable. But maybe I'm wrong about Cinejosh. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">] ] </span> 14:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
			::::::I too have doubt about cinejosh.com but also for moviecrow.com (does not have any information on this site about the company. Maybe a blog or personal site). 123telugu.com has been considered unreliable for boxoffice numbers and as a whole site ] but had no final stance to completely put it on the unreliable list. Indiaglitz also has nothing on the company information and the contact us link takes you to homepage. This too seems a personal site or a blog. Others too I have doubts. ] (]) 15:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::123Telugu can be used for general film-related updates and independent interviews. This site have many articles that are related to smaller Telugu films doesn't have in the mainline media. ] (]) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
			::::::::Question is reliability. The site is owned by Telugu film producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy and this puts the reliability of this source in question adding onto what is said here by an administrator ]. ] (]) 17:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Bollywood Hungama by Hungama Digital Media Entertainment ===		=== Bollywood Hungama by Hungama Digital Media Entertainment ===
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	=== Box Office India ===
			=== BOL Network ===
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			]
			;Comments:Specifically BOLNEWS which is used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. Cannot find editorial standards so unsure if reliable or not. Although the network is out of Pakistan, it has many references for Indian and other non-Pakistani cinema.--] (]) 03:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
			:I added a recent RSN discussion which indicates it's generally unreliable. It was also added to ] as unreliable based the discussion. ] (]) 18:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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			=== Box Office India (Boxofficeindia.com) ===
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			{{Block quote\|text=Per BOI's page, "The figures on the website are not taken from producers or distributors of the respective films but independent estimates from our sources and then cross checked through cinema collections." If true, this suggests that they're not acting as mouthpieces for the production companies (i.e. acting as a ] by proxy). <small></small><br /><br /> In mid-2019 we discovered that BOI's budget figures included print and advertising costs. (See ]) Worldwide, when people reference a film's budget, they mean the production budget, i.e. the cost of making the film, not the cost of marketing it. So we should try to find a better source for budget than Box Office India. If we have no choice but to use BOI, then we should include notes that clarify that the budget figure is not consistent with other figures. Ex: "(Note: this figure includes print and advertising costs.)" or similar.\|by=] table}}

			Now, this is still true because we still have no other proper tracker website for Indian movies, especially Bollywood. Biased or not, the BO figures are almost close to the reported verified amount. So I'll put this one as a '''reliable''' source. ] (]) 07:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

			:@] I completely agree with the above. There was also a in which the credibility of BoxOfficeIndia.com was questioned for South films. However, since the user was identified as a sockpuppet, it can only be seen as an attempt to discredit BoxOfficeIndia.com rather than the other way around. ] (]) 05:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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			=== Box Office India (Boxofficeindia.co.in) ===
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	=== Business Standard ===		=== Business Standard ===
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			: Paid articles are published by Business Standard . Articles which's URL contain "content/specials/" are sponsored. ] (]) 18:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
			::All articles in the Content/specials/ doesn't contain disclaimers, some contains, same like India Today. Here are some examples:
			:# https://www.business-standard.com/content/specials/pioneering-thoughts-with-dipen-bhuva-a-fusion-of-healthcare-cybersecurity-and-ai-124040900630_1.html
			:# https://www.business-standard.com/content/specials/hutech-solutions-announces-sanjeev-kulkarni-as-new-chief-product-officer-cpo-124040900662_1.html
			:] (]) 18:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

	;Verdict:		;Verdict:

	=== Business Today ===		=== Business Today ===
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			;Comments:One thing to watch for (and maybe we just need a disclaimer if the overall source is found to be reliable) is anything marked as written by "DC Correspondent." These are contributor posts and often have a disclaimer that they have not been vetted by editorial staff. --] (]) 09:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Deccan Herald ===		=== Deccan Herald ===
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			=== EastMojo ===
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			;Comments:I brought this up at RSN a while back but only had one comment. It is being used a few hundred times as a reference but do not see it as being reliable. Bringing it here since it seems to have a lot of film references and we are addressing many of them now. --] (]) 03:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Filmfare ===		=== Filmfare ===
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			;Comments: It is used over as a reference on Misplaced Pages. is their about page. I do not see editorial oversight and sounds more like TMZ in my opinion. Just at first glance I think it could be used maybe to verify basic information such as film roles but nothing for notability. --] (]) 03:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Film Companion ===		=== Film Companion ===
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	=== ~~Firstpost~~ ===		=== Film Information===
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			;Comments:run by ]; see ]
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			=== Firstpost ===
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			=== Forbes India ===
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			;Comments: Used in Misplaced Pages. Note that it is NOT overseen by Forbes editorial staff. It is (what I believe) branded as Forbes (likely from licensing agreement). It is actually owned by ]. It is used as a reference in many film and actor pages.--] (]) 03:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Hindustan Times ===		=== Hindustan Times ===
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	;Comments:		;Comments:
			In my experience with press release work, Hindustan Times stands out as a prominent website for publishing paid brand posts. It's crucial to note that any article lacking a specific author shouldn't be relied upon. Furthermore, it's advisable to avoid using articles with a disclaimer or those tagged as brand posts. – ] (''']''') 11:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

			:Help us to remove 42 Sponsored Hindustan Times articles cited on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 15:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
			::I have been cleaning some of these up. I am also finding there are quite a few paid posts from other sites on those Misplaced Pages pages and sent three to AfD already. I would actually lean towards saying only using HT with staff written articles for verification of basic facts (release dates, etc.) and NOT for notability. And NEVER using anything that is paid, branded, no-byline, or otherwise falling under NEWSORGINDIA. --] (]) 02:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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	=== India Today by Living Media ===		=== India Today by Living Media ===
	;Included in RS/P?:		;Included in RS/P?:
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			;Comments: India Today has published paid articles within its "" section, with . It's important to note that sponsored content should not be used as a citation. I encourage anyone to help remove them; I'm actively working on it as well. ] (]) 09:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
	;Comments:
			::They haven't included disclaimers in all of their Impact Feature articles, but there are some instances where disclaimers have been added to articles. "Disclaimer: The contents herein are for informational purposes only. If you have any queries, you should directly reach out to the advertiser. India Today Group does not guarantee, vouch for, endorse any of its contents and hereby disclaims all warranties, express or implied, relating to the same."
			::Examples:
			::1. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/piramal-finance-offers-home-loans-with-seamless-process-and-competitive-terms-2510232-2024-03-04
			::2. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/could-2024-be-the-year-gold-has-been-waiting-for-a-long-time-2503014-2024-02-16
			::3. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/breaking-barriers-celebrating-women-achievers-across-industries-2490394-2024-01-18
			::] (]) 10:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::This is clearly the case; also note that the people in the byline at the bottom of the page will typically come back with marketing positions in the company. I've updated my entry and will be happy to help remove these. ''] ]'' 11:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::@], thanks for ]; it's really helpful. – ] (''']''') 11:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Wow, this is gold. Thanks Kuru :) ] (]) 11:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Indiatimes by The Times Group ===		=== Indiatimes by The Times Group ===
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			=== Indiantelevision.com ===
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			;Comments: There are currently of Indiantelevision.com, the same owner as TellyChakkar.com. And this raises concerns on its reliability. --] <sup>(] ] ])</sup> 18:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			;Verdict: Unreliable per discussion at ]

	=== Magna Publications ===		=== Magna Publications ===
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	=== News18 India ===		=== News18 India ===
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			;Comments: There are currently of Outlook India "business spotlight." I believe the publication would be reliable OUTSIDE of that but these are paid-for articles. I would support reliability but maybe a note in the box that says those marked as "business spotlight" or sponsored should not be used as a reference (in the process of removing the 17 I linked to above once I get the time). --] (]) 06:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	;Comments:
			::Agreed. The paid-for shall not be considered as reliable at all. '''Reliable''' outside the paid-for articles. ] (]) 07:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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	=== Pinkvilla.com ===		=== Pinkvilla.com ===
	;Included in RS/P?:		;Included in RS/P?:{{n}}
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:], ], ]
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			;Comments: Website for reference.--] (]) 07:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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			::With an editorial team and a published editorial policy, as well as an affiliate disclosure, Pinkvilla.com can be deemed '''reliable''' due to their reportings to be very close to the actual BO figures and other film related news. But, I'll still stay clear of the gossip section. ] (]) 07:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::How'd one determine an actual BO figure? — ] (]·]·]·]) 14:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::What I do is go through the established RS. Most of the time, all of them stick to a particular figure (lets say X). Sometimes, they have discrepancies, and I use the figures as a range ({{estimation}} {{INR}} X - Y crores). Pinkvilla almost always give the same figures as other RS and it is always less than the promotional figures tweeted by filmmakers and other primary sources. Hence, I use them as RS. <small>(As they say, ] , lol.)</small> ] (]) 18:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::I don't think pinkvilla is a reliable source. They underreport south india movies collections a lot. I think for better reporting. Need to rethink about pinkvilla as reliable source for south indian movies. ] (]) 14:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)<small>— ] (] • ]) has made ] outside this topic. </small>
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	=== Rediff.com ===		=== Rediff.com ===
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			=== Reviewit.pk ===
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			;Comments:I brought this up at RSN a few months back. Looks like auto generated content from Twitter and also possibly paid. I would suggest adding this as an unreliable source.
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	=== Screen (magazine) ===		=== Screen (magazine) ===
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	=== Sify ===		=== Sify ===
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	=== The Economic Times ===		=== The Economic Times ===
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			;Comments: Similar to the above, First Post has sponsored content marked as "brand wagon" (often included in the URL as well). I have no comment on the reliability of the overall publication but will say the branded posts should not be used in my opinion. --] (]) 06:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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	=== The Hindu Business Line ===		=== The Hindu Business Line ===
	;Included in RS/P?: {{y}}		;Included in RS/P?: {{y}}
	;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: {{y}}		;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: {{y}}
	;Comments: Subsidiary of The Hindu (])		;Comments: Subsidiary of The Hindu (])
	;Verdict: {{Y}} Reliable source		;Verdict: {{Y}} '''Reliable source'''

	=== The Hindu ===		=== The Hindu ===
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	;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: {{y}}		;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: {{y}}
	;Comments: Reliable per ]		;Comments: Reliable per ]
	;Verdict: {{Y}} ~~Relaible~~ source		;Verdict: {{Y}} '''Reliable source'''

	=== The Indian Express ===		=== The Indian Express ===
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	;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:{{y}}		;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:{{y}}
	;Comments: Reliable per ]		;Comments: Reliable per ]
	;Verdict: {{Y}} ~~Relaible~~ source		;Verdict: {{Y}} '''Reliable source'''

	=== The News Minute ===		=== The News Minute ===
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			;Comments: Similar to Outlook, The Tribune has paid articles "". ] (]) 09:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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			=== The Wire ===
			;Included in RS/P?:{{y}}
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			;Comments: Reliable per ]
			;Verdict:{{y}} '''Reliable source'''

	=== Zee News ===		=== Zee News ===
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	Zee News is owned by ]. They also have other publications such as ]. Not sure if we should address any of these individual or JUST Zee News for the purpose of the RfC. Just throwing it out there. --] (]) 06:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		Zee News is owned by ]. They also have other publications such as ]. Not sure if we should address any of these individual or JUST Zee News for the purpose of the RfC. Just throwing it out there. --] (]) 06:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
	:DNA is already added in the RfC above. I'd say while we are at it, let's review all the sources. India.com is deemed unreliable per discussion. So, that's out. I don't know other publications under them. If there are any that are used frequently, by all means add them to the miscellaneous category below. ] (]) 06:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		:DNA is already added in the RfC above. I'd say while we are at it, let's review all the sources. India.com is deemed unreliable per ] discussion. So, that's out. I don't know other publications under them. If there are any that are used frequently, by all means add them to the miscellaneous category below. ] (]) 06:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


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	=== OTTPlay.com ===		=== OTTPlay.com ===
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			According to their website (), they apparently use 4 sources; Hindustan Times, Film Companion, Live Mint and Desi Martini, of which HT and Mint are reliable per RSP and RSN. Desi Martini is a partner site for HT. Film Companion, I'm not so sure cuz the page doesn't mention anywhere about their sources or their origin or history, hence sounds dubious. But other than that, OTTPlay.com should belong in the reliable side of the spectrum. ] (]) 06:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			:I am coming across this one quite a bit when sourcing filmographies. I think the main issue I have is that it is a commercial website and they benefit from aggregating news. A lot of the articles are bylined "Team OTTplay" so not sure if these are coming from the reliable sources or if they are original content from that site. --] (]) 00:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
			::{{u\|DareshMohan}} and {{u\|RangersRus}}, your opinion please? DareshMohan removes articles credited to individuals who have worked for other sources before. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">] ] </span> 02:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::I'd say reviews are notable but OTT release information isn't since it is compiled from many sources. {{ping\|Kailash29792}} Sorry, if you are mad at me for removing the reviews. Once this reaches a consensus, you can re-add them. {{ping\|Manick22}} Thoughts? ] (]) 05:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::{{u\|DareshMohan}}, I'm not mad at you for removing the reviews. Just confused because I thought it was previously agreed upon as RS due to HT Media owning it. But I agree that OTT release information can be obtained from better sources. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">] ] </span> 07:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
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	*Per RS/P ''The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage.'' That puts TOI in either unreliable or no consensus region. It is generally unreliable for box office figures since I have seen them using Sacnilk.com and promotional figures a lot. They may be reliable for news articles, but IMO it all should be taken with a pinch of salt. ] (]) 05:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)		*Per RS/P ''The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage.'' That puts TOI in either unreliable or no consensus region. It is generally unreliable for box office figures since I have seen them using Sacnilk.com and promotional figures a lot. They may be reliable for news articles, but IMO it all should be taken with a pinch of salt. ] (]) 05:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

			:Help us to remove these sponsored articles published by Times of India, (), (). ] (]) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
			::I found another subsection with containing Lifesyle/Spotlight on The Times of India, this subsection is cited 185 times without drafts and 193 times with drafts. I found a article on the same subsection which contain a disclaimer “ '''The article has been produced on behalf of Globsyn Business'''” but other articles majorly does not contain any disclaimer.
			:: *

			:: ] (]) 15:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
	;Verdict:		;Verdict:

			=== ] ===
	== Promotion of ] article to GA-Class ==
			;Included in RS/P?:
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:
			;Comments:
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			=== IndiaGlitz ===
			;Included in RS/P?:
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:
			;Comments:
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			=== cinejosh.com ===
			;Included in RS/P?:
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:
			;Comments:
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			=== behindwoods.com ===
			;Included in RS/P?:
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:
			;Comments:
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			=== thesouthfirst.com ===
			;Included in RS/P?:
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:
			;Comments:
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			=== latestly.com ===
			;Included in RS/P?:
			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?:
			;Comments:
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			=== TrendingTopicc.com ===

			;Included in RS/P?: No.

			;Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: No.

			;Comments:
			Trendingtopicc.com is not a reliable source for citing budget or box office collection figures. The website lacks transparency regarding its ownership, editorial processes, or methodology for calculating box office data. Without a clear framework or evidence of how its numbers are obtained and verified, the site cannot be trusted as a credible source of financial information. Additionally, Trendingtopicc.com does not provide details about its contributors or their qualifications, further raising doubts about the authenticity and accuracy of the information it publishes. Unlike industry-recognized trackers, such as Box Office India, or reputed publications, this site has no established credibility in the field of film journalism. Using its data may lead to the dissemination of unverified or exaggerated claims, which is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages's standards for reliable sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:22, December 18, 2024 (UTC)</small>

			:I think this site is unreliable for anything. It appears to just be a slideshow of tweets. I'm confused, though; are you the creator of this site? --] (]) 22:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

			:Lol, would the creator trash talk about his own website? <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">] ] </span> 01:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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			== TimSip ==

			Can Timsip (https://timsip.com/) be considered as a reliable source for daily box office collections? (Specially for non-Hindi films which are not reported by either Pinkvilla or Bollywood Hungama) ] (]) 03:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

			:Clearly a personal site or blog. It has no ownership and editorial insight. This site disclaimer says "Box office performance can be affected by many factors beyond our control, and Timsip is not responsible for any errors or discrepancies in the data reported." This is unreliable source. Most of the non-Hindi films are reported by Pinkvilla on the boxoffice gross. ] (]) 22:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hi, I was just wondering how I could improve ]'s article in order to get it promoted to GA-Class, any tips would be massively appreciated. Thank you! ] (]) 21:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
			::Okay. Thanks. ] (]) 01:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
	:You have to make sure it meets all the criteria listed at ]. Once you are confident that it does, then you can have someone copy-edit the prose as well. ] is an option. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 07:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
	::Okay, that’s perfect, thank you! ] (]) 03:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

			== Question regarding ]’s article ==
	== IBOS Network ==

			Since Mandanna appears in films across multiple languages successively, as she is a ] actress, is it necessary to specify which language each film is in, particularly in the lead where she’s had multiple "breakthroughs" but they’re all across different industries + in the main body is it necessary to specify which film is in what language. It’s become very messy and disorienting as there’s no guidance on it. Thanks. ] (]) 01:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
	Recently I removed now dead website ibosnetwork.com from some articles and it is used as a source on articles. Was it considered reliable a source when it was active? This was their page ] (]) 20:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

			:Indian actress in lead is enough and does not need to specify all languages but the filmography is good enough to show the films and languages she worked in (imo). ] (]) 01:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Filmibeat? ==

			== Bollywood Hungama News Network ==
	{{ping\|Aadirulez8}}{{Ping\|Kailash29792}} Why is '']'' considered unreliable? source is not gossip by any means. ] (]) 19:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
	:], ] can throw some light on that. Thanks.<span id="The_Herald:1710185372500:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 19:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</span>

			Is articles written by unreliable per ]? ] (]) 02:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	==User POV==
			:Your question is misleading as it is not about the source, but the individual article in the source. So yes, the publication is reliable. But, individual articles that are not bylined are simply churnalism and/or paid media and fall under NEWSORGINDIA.--] (]) 04:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	user seem to have a POV (Telugu) which seem apparent in their edits. Have a look. - ] (]) 21:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
			::What you mean by 'byline'?
			::Articles written by author 'Bollywood Hungama News Network' still exists in
			::* ]: , , etc.
			::* ]: , , etc.
			::* And many more.
			::So shouldn't all these resources be removed? ] (]) 05:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::]. I no longer wish to entertain your bludgeoning and edit warring. Read the linked guidelines above. --] (]) 07:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Discussion on the reliability of Pinkvilla ==
	== Can ] be considered a reliable source ? ==

			There is a discussion on the reliability of Pinkvilla on RSN, see ] if your interested. -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 14:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Can ] be used a reliable source ? It is an Indian entertainment and lifestyle website.
	] (]) 03:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	:Consensus at ICTF and reliable sources noticeboard puts it as one of the best sources for movie related news and box office collections, sans gossip though. ] (]) 03:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	::Could you please link that consensus-discussion? The most recent discussion I found was from last summer:
	::*]
	::that does not seem to have consensus for its box-office being reliable at all in some cases, let alone "one of the best sources" as a general sense. ] (]) 03:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::Hey. Along with that discussion that reached nowhere, I found ] where it was discussed. It has been included in ICTFSOURCES for quite a while and since then, it was considered as an RS for film related material, sans gossip. Which is why I made the aforementioned statement. Now, for an indepth scrutiny, I had initiated a complete rewamping of all ICTFSOURCES a couple of months ago, a proper RfC, which is still open above. It's high time to re discuss all the sources listed in ICTFSOURCES. But for now, Pinkvilla is considered reliable per ICTFSOURCES, since some consensus was achieved in the past (can't put my finger on when and where, but I am guessing some 8 years ago) and it was not refuted till date.
	:::Personally, I don't trust Pinkvilla for news, but with BO figures, I do. Especially since Boxofficeindia.com and Bollywoodhungama doesn't cover a vast majority of movies, especially the ones made down south. So, it's like a compromise. Other sources are totally useless, like Sacnilk, which is downright unreliable. Hence, Pinkvilla. But yes, I agree to the fact that we need to re visit the reliability and credibility of every single ones on ICTFSOURCES. Thanks and happy editing. ] (]) 03:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	::::Hi {{u\|The_Herald}},
	::::Please find the as requested.
	::::-> Pinkvilla was nothing but a network of photographers, and became popular after some photographs of Bollywood actress ] clicked by them went viral, and they went into expanding from photographers into a website. SO, again my arguement is there are ''plenty of such websites which can post-anything'' just to get bytes/views. Hence can't be considered reliable.] (]) 04:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Good source for casting news, film developments, and box-office (and currently much better than the agenda-fuelled BOI). Gossip sections should be ignored though. ] (]) 06:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	::::::The origins of the website in 2009 might be dubious, but over the years, the unreliable nature of the news was never properly established, though it was questioned multiple times due to the gossip sections. But so far, they have been consistent with box office figure reportings and other film related news, and hence they are considered to be a RS. Once again, we need to rewamp all the sources listed, which I'll kick off sometime this week or next. Thanks. ] (]) 06:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::Thank you {{u\|The_Herald}} and {{u\|Krimuk2.0}} for clearing up the reliability matter on Pinkvilla. While we are have discussion on sources for films, is Koimoi reliable or unreliable? I see conflict in these two lists ] and ]. One time I pointed an editor to ] since koimoi was not here on reliable list but then the editor pointed me to ] because koimoi was listed there. Can we just have one list that we can point editors in question? ] (]) 13:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	{{od\|7}} Yes, such a list is undergoing creation right now, in my sandbox. Also, an RfC is going on above too. A merge of those two are critical. Also, Koimoi is generally considered on thw unreliable side of the spectrum. I don't use it ever. Thanks. ] (]) 13:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
	::I personally wouldn't use Koimoi anymore -- their clickbait-y articles have gone from bad to worse. ] (]) 17:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Reliability of sources listed at WP:ICTFSOURCES

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I've observed that many users often refer to WP:ICTFSOURCES when assessing the reliability of sources used in articles related to Indian films/actors. I believe it's time to completely update the current list located at WP:ICTFSOURCES. Many of the sources listed there are involved in press releases, paid branding, and brand posts. The last discussion on this matter took place eight years ago, and within this timeframe, the credibility of many sources has likely changed. Therefore, I'm initiating a new discussion to update the list. I'm pinging @JavaHurricane as they discussed this matter in the NPP discord channel a few months ago. I'm also pinging users who participated in the previous discussion for their input. @Bollyjeff, @Cyphoidbomb. – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Most of the sources are biased and paid. A certain concrete guideline must be set and preferably an RfC must be done to single out the actual tracker websites. Also, I should add that in down South, such tracker websites do not exist. Sites such as Pinkvilla only track the movies only if the movie makes headlines. Hence, that should also be kept in mind. The discrepancies between the actual collections and the publicized collections by the producers have caused multiple edit wars in many pages, especially in Malayalam movie pages. So, if we can get a consensus on that, it would be great. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey all, I am starting this RfC for the abovementioned reason – to analyse the authenticity and reliability of current ICTFSOURCES, and to reassess and update the sources enlisted. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@The Herald, I plan to share my detailed thoughts when I have a bit more free time. In the meantime, would you mind listing the sources we typically use and sharing your opinion on each? This would be really helpful for streamlining the process and finding even better sources. – DreamRimmer (talk) 14:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Good plans here to update the list. I think also it should be merged into Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/ICTF FAQ. The table format is more in line with Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, allowing for rationales and links to past discussions on each source. Something I've been meaning to tackle for a while. --Geniac (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer:, shall we revisit this RfC this weekend? Summer box office need a good guideline and pointers. What I was thinking is, let's just pick apart the ones under reliable section and scrutinize every single one and try to reach a consensus. A level 3 heading for each, which will help future editors to link faster and search faster. Savvy? The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I have started an essay for better source analysis, which when completed, can incorporate this RfC results and can be transcluded into the page, or can even be made as an opinion/guideline essay. I am thinking of a table like WP:RS/P in alphabetical order for faster and easier navigation. Anyone can drop by and help out with suggestions or edits. Thanks and happy editing. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The Herald, this is EXCELLENT. I think once complete, it will be easier to update in the same manner WP:RS/P is based on any future WP:RSN thread. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Done I have created a shortcut WP:ICTFSA (Yes, a pun on essay and Source Analysis as well). More sources can be added onto it from ICTFFAQ or after consensus from here or RSN. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Good work Herald. – DreamRimmer (talk) 04:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Could someone add a section for Indiantelevision.com as well. Please refer this. Thanks C1K98V 12:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. Now please add your views and comments too :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Note: Please do not edit the verdict line when there is no clear consensus in RS/P, or on RS/N or any talk pages. Only the clear consensus discussions are deemed automatically reliable.

123Telugu

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1, 2, 3
Comments: I see this being added to pages on the same day the articles come out. Gives me the impression of possible COI. Regardless, there seems to be discussion that it is not reliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

About us shows that the site is owned by Telugu film producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy. This itself makes it unreliable I think. RangersRus (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@The Herald:, is there a time period for commenting you are hoping for? Wondering if some of these such as those discussed already at RSN should be added to the list. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't have a specific time period in my mind. But the ones who's reliability or unreliability is established, we can close the subsection and add it to the list. Ideally, an uninvolved editor should close, so maybe we can ping some admin or someone who's active here for that. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I have posted on WP:RSN to get verdict on these sources moviecrow.com, 123telugu.com, Indiaglitz.com, cinejosh.com, behindwoods.com, thesouthfirst.com, latestly.com. Still what you think of these sources? @CNMall41: @The Herald: RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Except for Cinejosh I see the others as usable. But maybe I'm wrong about Cinejosh. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I too have doubt about cinejosh.com but also for moviecrow.com (does not have any information on this site about the company. Maybe a blog or personal site). 123telugu.com has been considered unreliable for boxoffice numbers and as a whole site unreliable but had no final stance to completely put it on the unreliable list. Indiaglitz also has nothing on the company information and the contact us link takes you to homepage. This too seems a personal site or a blog. Others too I have doubts. RangersRus (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

123Telugu can be used for general film-related updates and independent interviews. This site have many articles that are related to smaller Telugu films doesn't have in the mainline media. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Question is reliability. The site is owned by Telugu film producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy and this puts the reliability of this source in question adding onto what is said here by an administrator Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force/Archive_8#Reliability_of_123Telugu.com_-_123telugu. RangersRus (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Bollywood Hungama by Hungama Digital Media Entertainment

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Comments
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BOL Network

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Comments: Specifically BOLNEWS which is used 400+ times as a reference on Misplaced Pages. Cannot find editorial standards so unsure if reliable or not. Although the network is out of Pakistan, it has many references for Indian and other non-Pakistani cinema.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC); I added a recent RSN discussion which indicates it's generally unreliable. It was also added to WP:NPPSG as unreliable based the discussion. S0091 (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Box Office India (Boxofficeindia.com)

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1, 2, 3
Comments

Per BOI's About us page, "The figures on the website are not taken from producers or distributors of the respective films but independent estimates from our sources and then cross checked through cinema collections." If true, this suggests that they're not acting as mouthpieces for the production companies (i.e. acting as a primary source by proxy). Archive

In mid-2019 we discovered that BOI's budget figures included print and advertising costs. (See this discussion) Worldwide, when people reference a film's budget, they mean the production budget, i.e. the cost of making the film, not the cost of marketing it. So we should try to find a better source for budget than Box Office India. If we have no choice but to use BOI, then we should include notes that clarify that the budget figure is not consistent with other figures. Ex: "(Note: this figure includes print and advertising costs.)" or similar.
— WP:ICTFFAQ table

Now, this is still true because we still have no other proper tracker website for Indian movies, especially Bollywood. Biased or not, the BO figures are almost close to the reported verified amount. So I'll put this one as a reliable source. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@The Herald I completely agree with the above. There was also a discussion in which the credibility of BoxOfficeIndia.com was questioned for South films. However, since the user was identified as a sockpuppet, it can only be seen as an attempt to discredit BoxOfficeIndia.com rather than the other way around. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 05:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Box Office India (Boxofficeindia.co.in)

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Comments
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Business Standard

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Comments

Paid articles are published by Business Standard here. Articles which's URL contain "content/specials/" are sponsored. Grabup (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

All articles in the Content/specials/ doesn't contain disclaimers, some contains, same like India Today. Here are some examples:

Grabup (talk) 18:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Business Today

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CNN-IBN's IBN Live

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Daily News and Analysis

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Deccan Chronicle

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Comments: One thing to watch for (and maybe we just need a disclaimer if the overall source is found to be reliable) is anything marked as written by "DC Correspondent." These are contributor posts and often have a disclaimer that they have not been vetted by editorial staff. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Deccan Herald

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Dina Thanthi

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Dinakaran by Sun Group

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EastMojo

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Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1
Comments: I brought this up at RSN a while back but only had one comment. It is being used a few hundred times as a reference but do not see it as being reliable. Bringing it here since it seems to have a lot of film references and we are addressing many of them now. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Filmfare

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Comments: It is used over 2000 times as a reference on Misplaced Pages. Here is their about page. I do not see editorial oversight and sounds more like TMZ in my opinion. Just at first glance I think it could be used maybe to verify basic information such as film roles but nothing for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Film Companion

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Film Information

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Comments: run by Komal Nahta; see here, for example
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Firstpost

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Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1
Comments
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Forbes India

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Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1 ("Branded Content" discussion), 2
Comments: Used 800+ times in Misplaced Pages. Note that it is NOT overseen by Forbes editorial staff. It is (what I believe) branded as Forbes (likely from licensing agreement). It is actually owned by Network 18. It is used as a reference in many film and actor pages.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hindustan Times

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Comments

In my experience with press release work, Hindustan Times stands out as a prominent website for publishing paid brand posts. It's crucial to note that any article lacking a specific author shouldn't be relied upon. Furthermore, it's advisable to avoid using articles with a disclaimer or those tagged as brand posts. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Help us to remove these 42 Sponsored Hindustan Times articles cited on Misplaced Pages. Grabup (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I have been cleaning some of these up. I am also finding there are quite a few paid posts from other sites on those Misplaced Pages pages and sent three to AfD already. I would actually lean towards saying only using HT with staff written articles for verification of basic facts (release dates, etc.) and NOT for notability. And NEVER using anything that is paid, branded, no-byline, or otherwise falling under NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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India Today by Living Media

Included in RS/P?

Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?

Comments

India Today has published paid articles within its "Impact Feature" section, with 50 articles currently cited. It's important to note that sponsored content should not be used as a citation. I encourage anyone to help remove them; I'm actively working on it as well. Grabup (talk) 09:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

They haven't included disclaimers in all of their Impact Feature articles, but there are some instances where disclaimers have been added to articles. "Disclaimer: The contents herein are for informational purposes only. If you have any queries, you should directly reach out to the advertiser. India Today Group does not guarantee, vouch for, endorse any of its contents and hereby disclaims all warranties, express or implied, relating to the same."

Examples:

1. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/piramal-finance-offers-home-loans-with-seamless-process-and-competitive-terms-2510232-2024-03-04

2. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/could-2024-be-the-year-gold-has-been-waiting-for-a-long-time-2503014-2024-02-16

3. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/breaking-barriers-celebrating-women-achievers-across-industries-2490394-2024-01-18

Grabup (talk) 10:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

This is clearly the case; also note that the people in the byline at the bottom of the page will typically come back with marketing positions in the company. I've updated my entry here and will be happy to help remove these. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kuru, thanks for User:Kuru/fakesources; it's really helpful. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow, this is gold. Thanks Kuru :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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Indiatimes by The Times Group

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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Indiantelevision.com

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments: There are currently 1000+ uses of Indiantelevision.com, the same owner as TellyChakkar.com. And this raises concerns on its reliability. --C1K98V 18:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Verdict: Unreliable per discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/Archive 9#Indiantelevision.com

Magna Publications

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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Mid Day

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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Mint (newspaper) by HT Media

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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Mumbai Mirror by The Times Group

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Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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NDTV

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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News18 India

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1
Comments
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Outlook

Included in RS/P?

Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?

Comments

There are currently 17 uses of Outlook India "business spotlight." I believe the publication would be reliable OUTSIDE of that but these are paid-for articles. I would support reliability but maybe a note in the box that says those marked as "business spotlight" or sponsored should not be used as a reference (in the process of removing the 17 I linked to above once I get the time). --CNMall41 (talk) 06:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The paid-for shall not be considered as reliable at all. Reliable outside the paid-for articles. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Pinkvilla.com

Included in RS/P?

Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?

1, 2, 3

Comments

Website editorial guidelines for reference.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

With an editorial team and a published editorial policy, as well as an affiliate disclosure, Pinkvilla.com can be deemed reliable due to their reportings to be very close to the actual BO figures and other film related news. But, I'll still stay clear of the gossip section. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

How'd one determine an actual BO figure? — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 14:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

What I do is go through the established RS. Most of the time, all of them stick to a particular figure (lets say X). Sometimes, they have discrepancies, and I use the figures as a range (est. ₹ X - Y crores). Pinkvilla almost always give the same figures as other RS and it is always less than the promotional figures tweeted by filmmakers and other primary sources. Hence, I use them as RS. (As they say, if it looks like a RS and posts like a RS, it is most probably is a RS , lol.) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think pinkvilla is a reliable source. They underreport south india movies collections a lot. I think for better reporting. Need to rethink about pinkvilla as reliable source for south indian movies. NithishSagi (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)— NithishSagi (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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Rediff.com

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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Reviewit.pk

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1
Comments: I brought this up at RSN a few months back. Looks like auto generated content from Twitter and also possibly paid. I would suggest adding this as an unreliable source.
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Screen (magazine)

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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Sify

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1, 2
Comments
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The Economic Times

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Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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The Express Tribune

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The Financial Express

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments: Similar to the note on Outlook India above, First Post has sponsored content marked as "brand wagon" (often included in the URL as well). I have no comment on the reliability of the overall publication but will say the branded posts should not be used in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Verdict

The Hindu Business Line

Included in RS/P?: Y
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: Y
Comments: Subsidiary of The Hindu (WP:THEHINDU)
Verdict: Y Reliable source

The Hindu

Included in RS/P?: Y
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: Y
Comments: Reliable per WP:THEHINDU
Verdict: Y Reliable source

The Indian Express

Included in RS/P?: Y
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: Y
Comments: Reliable per WP:INDIANEXP
Verdict: Y Reliable source

The News Minute

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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The Statesman

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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The Telegraph

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments
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The Tribune

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments: Similar to Outlook, The Tribune has paid articles "Impact Feature". Grabup (talk) 09:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Wire

Included in RS/P?: Y
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: Y
Comments: Reliable per WP:RS/P
Verdict: Y Reliable source

Zee News

Included in RS/P?
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: 1, 2
Comments

Zee News is owned by Zee Media Corporation. They also have other publications such as Daily News and Analysis. Not sure if we should address any of these individual or JUST Zee News for the purpose of the RfC. Just throwing it out there. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

DNA is already added in the RfC above. I'd say while we are at it, let's review all the sources. India.com is deemed unreliable per this discussion. So, that's out. I don't know other publications under them. If there are any that are used frequently, by all means add them to the miscellaneous category below. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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In addition to the aforementioned sources, the following references are also brought up multiple times and are used in various pages.

Koimoi

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Comments
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OTTPlay.com

Included in RS/P?: N
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: N
Comments

According to their website (About us page), they apparently use 4 sources; Hindustan Times, Film Companion, Live Mint and Desi Martini, of which HT and Mint are reliable per RSP and RSN. Desi Martini is a partner site for HT. Film Companion, I'm not so sure cuz the page doesn't mention anywhere about their sources or their origin or history, hence sounds dubious. But other than that, OTTPlay.com should belong in the reliable side of the spectrum. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I am coming across this one quite a bit when sourcing filmographies. I think the main issue I have is that it is a commercial website and they benefit from aggregating news. A lot of the articles are bylined "Team OTTplay" so not sure if these are coming from the reliable sources or if they are original content from that site. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

DareshMohan and RangersRus, your opinion please? DareshMohan removes articles credited to individuals who have worked for other sources before. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd say reviews are notable but OTT release information isn't since it is compiled from many sources. @Kailash29792: Sorry, if you are mad at me for removing the reviews. Once this reaches a consensus, you can re-add them. @Manick22: Thoughts? DareshMohan (talk) 05:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

DareshMohan, I'm not mad at you for removing the reviews. Just confused because I thought it was previously agreed upon as RS due to HT Media owning it. But I agree that OTT release information can be obtained from better sources. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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The Times of India

Included in RS/P?: WP:TOI
Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
Comments

Per RS/P The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. That puts TOI in either unreliable or no consensus region. It is generally unreliable for box office figures since I have seen them using Sacnilk.com and promotional figures a lot. They may be reliable for news articles, but IMO it all should be taken with a pinch of salt. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Help us to remove these sponsored articles published by Times of India, (1), (2). Grabup (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I found another subsection with containing Lifesyle/Spotlight on The Times of India, this subsection is cited 185 times without drafts and 193 times with drafts. I found a article on the same subsection which contain a disclaimer “ The article has been produced on behalf of Globsyn Business” but other articles majorly does not contain any disclaimer.

*193 cited list

Article containing disclaimer Grabup (talk) 15:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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The New Indian Express

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IndiaGlitz

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cinejosh.com

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behindwoods.com

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thesouthfirst.com

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latestly.com

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TrendingTopicc.com

Included in RS/P?: No.

Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?: No.

Comments

Trendingtopicc.com is not a reliable source for citing budget or box office collection figures. The website lacks transparency regarding its ownership, editorial processes, or methodology for calculating box office data. Without a clear framework or evidence of how its numbers are obtained and verified, the site cannot be trusted as a credible source of financial information. Additionally, Trendingtopicc.com does not provide details about its contributors or their qualifications, further raising doubts about the authenticity and accuracy of the information it publishes. Unlike industry-recognized trackers, such as Box Office India, or reputed publications, this site has no established credibility in the field of film journalism. Using its data may lead to the dissemination of unverified or exaggerated claims, which is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages's standards for reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bolly ka Badshah (talk • contribs) 08:22, December 18, 2024 (UTC)

I think this site is unreliable for anything. It appears to just be a slideshow of tweets. I'm confused, though; are you the creator of this site? --Geniac (talk) 22:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Lol, would the creator trash talk about his own website? Kailash29792 (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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TimSip

Can Timsip (https://timsip.com/) be considered as a reliable source for daily box office collections? (Specially for non-Hindi films which are not reported by either Pinkvilla or Bollywood Hungama) BhikhariInformer (talk) 03:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Clearly a personal site or blog. It has no ownership and editorial insight. This site disclaimer says "Box office performance can be affected by many factors beyond our control, and Timsip is not responsible for any errors or discrepancies in the data reported." This is unreliable source. Most of the non-Hindi films are reported by Pinkvilla on the boxoffice gross. RangersRus (talk) 22:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. BhikhariInformer (talk) 01:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding Rashmika Mandanna’s article

Since Mandanna appears in films across multiple languages successively, as she is a pan-indian actress, is it necessary to specify which language each film is in, particularly in the lead where she’s had multiple "breakthroughs" but they’re all across different industries + in the main body is it necessary to specify which film is in what language. It’s become very messy and disorienting as there’s no guidance on it. Thanks. 19Arham (talk) 01:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Indian actress in lead is enough and does not need to specify all languages but the filmography is good enough to show the films and languages she worked in (imo). RangersRus (talk) 01:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Bollywood Hungama News Network

Is articles written by Bollywood Hungama News Network unreliable per WP:NEWSORGINDIA? Thesanas (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Your question is misleading as it is not about the source, but the individual article in the source. So yes, the publication is reliable. But, individual articles that are not bylined are simply churnalism and/or paid media and fall under NEWSORGINDIA.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

What you mean by 'byline'?

Articles written by author 'Bollywood Hungama News Network' still exists in

Deepika Padukone: , , etc.
Priyanka Chopra: , , etc.
And many more.

So shouldn't all these resources be removed? Thesanas (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:CIR. I no longer wish to entertain your bludgeoning and edit warring. Read the linked guidelines above. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on the reliability of Pinkvilla

There is a discussion on the reliability of Pinkvilla on RSN, see WP:RSN#Pinkvilla if your interested. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 14:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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