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Cyprus military ranks

I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.

NCO and other ranks

NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.

NATO code	OR-9						OR-8		OR-7		OR-6						OR-5						OR-4				OR-3		OR-2						OR-1
Hellenic Army v t e																																			Arm/corps insignia only
	Ανθυπασπιστής Anthypaspistis						Αρχιλοχίας Archilochias		Επιλοχίας Epilochias		Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas								Στρατιώτης Stratiotis
Greece (Conscripts)							No equivalent																												No insignia
	Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos										Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas		Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos						Στρατιώτης Stratiotis

1. tanea.gr (2004-10-11). "Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες»". ΤΑ ΝΕΑ (in Greek). Retrieved 2024-06-10.
2. "Διακριτικά Φ/Π Στολών Υπαξιωματικών Αποφοίτων ΣΜΥ" . army.gr (in Greek). Hellenic Army. Retrieved 26 May 2021.

References

Notes

1. ^ Greece has only one level of Warrant Officer. According to the current issue (2021) of STANAG 2116, the Greek Warrant Officers are included in OR-9, however they are afforded the privileges of an officer. See STANAG 2116 note 29, page D-9

Userpage question

I know I've already asked about my userpage before but I've done a lot of work on it since then. Does my userpage go a bit overboard, especially with the inline links? I joined the welcoming committee and I am expecting at least a few new users to come to my userpage from my signature on my welcome messages so I tried to leave a lot of inline links for them to click on and get a feel for the scope of the encyclopedia. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing Compared to User:EEng (takes awhile to load, and I don't recommend it as a role model), or myself, for that matter, I find your page quite respectable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I feel I do the most good by being a warning lesson parents can point out to their children. EEng 15:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

if i learned one thing from you, it's that puns are the scourge of all things good cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

No, no, they've got a point. The reason we exist on this world is to get as many rules added to the book as possible. No one ever told me I couldn't add an inline link containing some sarcastic joke for every single word on my userpage, but I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I did so why don't we make it official? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

oh my that isn't a userpage that's a whole-ass userbook. I guess mine is better than I thought ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

406,519 bytes, that's a lot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

To put it into context, the largest article on Misplaced Pages has 975,504 bytes. CommissarDoggo 15:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Wow, we have an article that's almost an entire gigabyte? Does it just have a lot of text or are images, GIFs, code spaghetti, and videos taking up some of that space? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing That's not a Gigabyte, only just below a Megabyte. The whole encycopedia can be downloaded at about 24 GB. See WP:SIZEWP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

oh yeah sorry I forgot the ratios. I'm surprised Misplaced Pages is only 24 gigs, I thought 6 million articles would be closer to a terabyte ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

As of February 2013, the XML file containing current pages only, no user or talk pages, was 42,987,293,445 bytes uncompressed (43 GB). The XML file with current pages, including user and talk pages, was 93,754,003,797 bytes uncompressed (94 GB). The full history dumps, all 174 files of them, took 10,005,676,791,734 bytes (10 TB).

As of August 2023, Wikimedia Commons, which includes the images, videos and other media used across all the language-specific Wikipedias contained 96,519,778 files, totalling 470,991,810,222,099 bytes (428.36 TB). CommissarDoggo 16:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Text is very small, especially ASCII characters in UTF-8 (the majority of characters used on the English Misplaced Pages), which are one byte each. – dudhhr_contribsher 19:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, per that article has 2 words. And 1,541 unique references. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks great, especially the storm chaser part. :) E_F 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

what can I say, I just have zero sense of self preservation and I want to see the silly wind cones up close :D ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I liked your userpage. Quite interesting username too. Girlwithgoldenheart (talk) 16:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! The "apteryx" in my name is the scientific name of my favorite bird, the kiwi, and "RainWing" is a reference to my favorite tribe from the book series Wings of Fire Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 17:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking your time to let me know the real meaning about your username. You're a creative guy. Wishing you good luck. Girlwithgoldenheart (talk) 05:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Rules of recommendations to add links in an article

Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article.

I'm talking about internal links to Misplaced Pages in English.

As an example. We can choose the article "Bashar Al-Assad".
If there are a section or a sub-section citing "Moscow" (This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article).

If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ?

If you don't understand what I means with words "section" and "sub-section".
You can see the example below.

Suggestions for Monte Zovetto page

Good morning, everyone, My team and I recently finished our Monte Zovetto wiki page (a mountain in northern Italy) for a school project. It was approved, and we received a grade C.

We already made some improvements (also thanks to other editors), but do you have any suggestions on how we can improve it to achieve a grade B? Thank you!

LIUCsmarties (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC) LIUCsmarties (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I saw there are the pronunciation in "British English" indicated in "IPA".

Maybe someone can add it in "Italian" ? It is not a great improvement but it is a good one.

Why not add the pronunciation with IPA transcription in "Venetian language" ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 07:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Please see our response to your fellow student and to how poorly your instructor has designed the assignment and how that's putting you and your classmates in an unfair position and lots of unneeded stress. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

LIUCsmarties, you say "It was approved, and we received a grade C." I "accepted" the draft, promoting it to article status. I didn't give it a "C", and nobody else did either. I don't see anyone calling it "Start", "C", or "B". Do you mean that your teacher approved it and gave it a C, for university rather than Misplaced Pages purposes? If so, we people here who aren't affiliated with LIUC don't know either how grading is supposed to work in LIUC or what particular criteria your teacher uses in order to grade. -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary Actually you did. However, @LIUCsmarties probably doesn't realise that these assessments are somewhat arbitrary and only good articles and featured articles go through a formal process here. I suggest that LIUCsmarties and colleagues relax after doing a good job of creating the article and focus now on the rest of their schoolwork. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, Mike Turnbull, so I did. Duh. (I plead senility!) Anyone (other than the author or their classmates) who thinks it merits a B is welcome to give it a B. And I have to say that though I'm usually unimpressed by class-assigned article creation, this set does impress me (in a good way). -- Hoary (talk) 12:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary I recently reviewed the Assessments for many articles at WikiProject Mountains of the Alps. I would say this is a pretty complete article, easily meriting a B-class (which I have just given it). With some further careful work on sourcing and on WP:MOS formatting, it could well be put forward for a GA Assessment, though seeking more detailed feedback at WP:PEER REVIEW could be worthwhile. However, these further steps would need the commitment to see this through beyond the unfair deadline set by their tutor (Limelightangel), as discussed in recent threads from their other students. I think @LIUCsmarties and colleagues should be extremely proud of their work. It's impressive. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

LIUCsmarties Consider deleting the Legends section, as not clear it is specific to Zovetto (and perhaps adding it to Roana instead). David notMD (talk) 13:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site?

Hi Everyone,

I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor. I suggest you take a look at Misplaced Pages:Autobiography, Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not and Misplaced Pages:The answer to life, the universe, and everything because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Misplaced Pages and how it works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). David notMD (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, David notMD. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Misplaced Pages. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

In addition @Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor

I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See WP:Editing before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. Tesleemah (talk) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable can write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves.

See WP:Golden Rule. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are independent of you, providing significant coverage of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments and clarification. I do multiple have published reliable sources in English and Chinese that are independent of myself. I think I will tive i.rLetyme know if you have any more comments. I'd appreciate that. now? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I get it. Thank you. Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: As posted above, even though creating an article about yourself isn't expressly prohibited, it can be quite hard and those who try often end up feeling quite frustrated when they start running into problems while trying to do so. My suggestion to you would be to use the Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation process to first work on a draft for an article and then submit that draft for review when you think it's ready. If the draft is declined (even multiple times), the reviewer will explain why and otherwise leave feedback on what further is needed for the draft to someday be accepted as an article. There's no real deadline when it comes to drafts, and you can work at your own pace on it. The only thing you need to do is continue working on improving it and avoid submitting the same declined version over and over again; you also need to make sure you don't "abandon" the draft by not making any meaningful edits to it for six months because such drafts are eligible for speedy deletion. You're not required to start a draft per se, but once something gets added to the Misplaced Pages article namespace, pretty much anything goes and the page can be edited by anyone at anytime; this could mean improvements, but it could just as easily mean being nominated, proposed or tagged for WP:DELETION. Before pressing ahead, you might want to take a look at Misplaced Pages:Notability (people), Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons, Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest editing (particularly the WP:COISELF and WP:LUC sections), Misplaced Pages:Ownership of content and Misplaced Pages:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because you'll have pretty much zero final editorial control over any article you create about yourself, and all of it's content will be expected to be in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, which in some cases might not be the same as what you want it to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, thanks for the thorough explanations. I have gained a lot more understanding now. So, it's the best for other people to write about someone else. I get it, but how about people have someone other than themselves write their biography, for example, people who know the topic person well, or hired writers? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

It's best to avoid COI editing, especially paid editing. It tends to attract hostile scrutiny.

Depending on who you are, there may be someone who would be interested in writing an article about you. Many editors specialize in certain types of biography: sports figures, academicians, scientists; the bios I write are often about chefs. But that would require you to disclose your identity, which you may not want to do. Valereee (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: Any type of "paid" editing needs to be done in accordance with WP:PAID; it's not expressly prohibited to have an article created by paying someone to do it for you, but basically that's a contract between you and the other party that has nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. It's your money and you're free to spend it as you please, but there are lots of WP:SCAMs out there that promise all kinds of things that simply are impossible to deliver; so, if you do decide to take that path, you should make sure to ask lots of questions before giving someone your money because Misplaced Pages won't help you get it back if things go wrong. Other options to consider might be trying WP:RA (which seems to be more miss than hit) or asking on the talk page of a WikiProject that might be related to whatever you think makes you Misplaced Pages notable. Whatever you do, you're going to most likely find it hard to remain anonymous because Misplaced Pages operates in the WP:REALWORLD, and the way it's set up can make it easy for others to connect the dots and figure out who you really are.Personally, I still find it a bit odd when people seek to either create Misplaced Pages articles about themselves or try to find/pay someone to create such an article on their behalf. That sort of indicates to me that said person might be mistaking Misplaced Pages for some type of social media site or other kind of online profile site, which it's most definitely not. The most natural way for someone to have a Misplaced Pages article created about them is for them to do enough Misplaced Pages notable things so that reliable sources start covering them to the point that someone completely unconnected to them wants to create such an article. Of course, since this tends to work better for really famous people like movie stars. musicians, pro athletes, etc. than it does for other types of people who tend to be ignored by main stream media sources, I can somewhat understand feeling "I've got to do this myself because nobody is going to do it for me". Still it comes down to someone wanting to have a Misplaced Pages article written about them despite the fact that they're pretty much going to have zero control over what that article becomes over time. There seem to be much better WP:ALTERNATIVEs these days for someone to establish an online presence that they'll have total editorial control over and be able to use to let the world know about all about themselves. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again. Did you mean that the persons (such as celebrities, known politicians) who have a page written by unconnected people is not able to edit that page which is about the very themselves? Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

They can edit it, but anyone else is free to edit, too. Article subjects have no control over the articles about them. Other editors can add stuff you'd prefer not to include and can remove stuff you'd like to include. Valereee (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor: The subjects of articles can edit said articles, but they're going to be expected to do so in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines just like any other editor; the subjects of articles don't "own" the articles in the sense that they've got total control over what's written in the article, and they can't stop others from editing the article. When the subject of an article has a problem with what's written about them, Misplaced Pages has processes in place to try and help them sort things out as explained here; Misplaced Pages, however, doesn't do what the subject wants just because the subject wants it done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

The general guidance is that the subject of an article can make minor corrections to grammar, spelling, numers, names, etc, can add citations to reliable independent sources, and can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that should be proposed on the article talk page.

That's after the article has been published. While it's still a draft, the subject is free to make any edits to it, and a reviewer would either accept the draft for publicaiton or decline it. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

How do I request a move on Misplaced Pages?

WP:RM gives you a guide on requesting a move, but it isn’t clear enough for me to request. How do I request it? 143.179.74.165 (talk) 12:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Which page do you want moved to which title? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sj-sound to Voiceless palatal-velar fricative. 143.179.74.165 (talk) 06:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

On a side note, always check for double redirects if the target page already exists. If not, check for broken redirects. 143.179.74.165 (talk) 07:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The article is 19 years old, it has been moved before, and its title has been discussed on the talk page, so it should be treated as a potentially controversial move with the procedure at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move. The talk page is Talk:Sj-sound. Note Misplaced Pages:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names which may be mentioned by opponents. Is that sufficient help? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Weird message on my talk page from IP user

an IP (2003:DE:E714:EA46:83D:9568:35AD:7CE8) left a weird string of gibberish on my Talk page. what should I do about it? I'm going to delete it, of course, but should this go to ANI or something? Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing Seasons Greetings from the Teahouse! I see you've already removed it, but, no, ANI would not be appropriate. This user made just two random edits - for what reason, we've no idea. Test edit? Error? Vandalism? You've reverted it. Great. That's all you need to do. I always check a user's contributions to see if they're doing it to others. tThis one isnt'. Nor is their IPv6 address doing it on the /64 range, which is always worth checking. So, just walk away and ignore it, unless it happens again. It's never worth feeding the trolls.

But, even then, this would be a case of disruption or vandalism, were the pattern to be repeated elsewhere. So, then you warn the user (Twinkle is a very easy tool for automating that process). Having warned them, check if they continue their behaviour. If they do so, warn them again, but with a higher level template and, if they still continue, report them at WP:AIV, not ANI, as that's the place for vandals to be assessed and blocked if they're continuing to be disruptive. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

thank you Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 14:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

could it be that the user tried to literally "roar with you"? If you make a clever...(a good word for it escapes me right now)(your signature makes me smile everytime I see it) you must be aware of some unusual repercussions. 176.0.139.10 (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

sorry to say, but AGF doesn't apply here. After looking at it, it was most probably an attempt on Tagging (graffiti). 176.0.139.10 (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on Draft?

Hoping this might be a place where someone might offer a bit of feedback on a draft to see if there are any issues, formatting or content related - or anything else that seems problematic.

If not please advise any alternative. Thanks in advance!

KoKo91361 (talk) 15:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

To get feedback you need to submit Draft:KarynO for review but I can tell you now that IMDb and Discogs are NOT reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this quick note. Will have to eliminate/replace IMDb and Discogs links and citations then. A bit challenging since about 1/2 of our references come from them. Good to know this would be a problem though (in advance!) KoKo91361 (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KoKo91361, I am not seeing evidence from the sources you've provided that Karyn meets our criteria for inclusion for musicians, unfortunately. If these are the best sources you have, then it doesn't look like Karyn merits an article on Misplaced Pages at this time. qcne (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

A LOT of unreferenced name-dropping that all has to be deleted. For example: "She became a technical consultant and friend to many - including Christopher Cross, Stewart Copeland, Timothy B. Schmidt, Elton John (band), Jon Anderson, Ray Charles, Billy Corgan, Eric Carmen, Butch Vig, Al Schmitt. Bruce Swedien, Oscar Peterson, Stevie Wonder, and countless others." David notMD (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

DRAFT PAGE UNIVERSITY PROJECT

Hello, i'm actually working on the draft page "Villa Fraccaroli" for a university project, i need the page to be accepted before the 31 of december, i was wondering if you could look at it, and if there's something to improve, i can work on it. Thank you in advance! Micol Liucmicol01 (talk) 16:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Liucmicol01 We cannot guarantee acceptance before a certain date- we have no deadlines on this volunteer project. and your professor has put you in a difficult position by making you do this. Your professor should review the Misplaced Pages Education Program materials to design lessons that don't depend on review by volunteers. Please show your professor this message. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

This has been reported on the Education Noticeboard: Misplaced Pages:Education noticeboard#Teahouse query from Italian university class as a few other class members have posted queries.

@Liucmicol01 please tell your instructor they have set you an unfair task: new drafts are reviewed by volunteers in their own time, and the current wait time is eight weeks or longer. qcne (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Qcue's answer is not true. The system is not a queue. Any draft can be reviewed in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Each reviewer decides what they want to review next. David notMD (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

For the curious, it has been accepted and is now at Villa Fraccaroli. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Obviously good submissions can be accepted fast, and problem ones can be declined fast. But those in between that are difficult to evaluate may be left for someone else to check. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)