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| == Sourcing for events at Kamal Adwan Hospital, Gaza == | |||
| == Please help improve the following articles == | |||
| Requesting collaboration to improve the articles ], ], and ], which are all currently being considered for deletion, in order to make sure that these articles align with Misplaced Pages guidelines. I believe that all the major issues brought up in the deletion request could be addressed and fixed if we work to improve these articles collaboratively, especially considering the precedent of ]. Your expertise and contributions are highly valued. ] (]) 14:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :What was the feedback given, and where are the deleted article contents? It appears the articles are now deleted, and the feedback is not shown. ] (]) 06:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I posted on the article talk page but assume it isn’t very active so I shall ask here: | |||
| As a former military man but with no knowledge of the Hebrew language.. may I ask why the current spokesman (a naval officer with the equivalent rank to an anglophone Rear Admiral) is listed in this article as a Brigadier General? | |||
| I appreciate that Tat Aluf could mean either but doesn’t the IDF use the English equivalents according to branch rather than direct translations? ] (]) 10:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 23:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi! Please have a look at ], where an anonymous user added some very non NPOV claims. Thanks, ] (]) 07:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==POV pushing on political party articles== | |||
| I've noticed some concerted POV pushing by a couple of revived accounts on nearly all Israeli political party articles over the last couple of months – all of them are being moved one position to the left; Meretz was changed from "left" to "left to far-left"; Labor from "centre-left" to "centre-left to left", Yesh Atid from "centre" to "centre to centre-left", National Unity from "centre-right" to "centre-right to centre", Moledet and Mafdal–Religious Zionism from "far-right" to "right to far-right" etc. Worth keeping an eye on this. Cheers, ] ]] 19:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :@] Can you please provide links to some of the edits in question? ] (]) 23:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == I made a draft on a former intelligence agent, would someone be willing to quickly check if there are any sources in Hebrew about her? == | |||
| I worked on her draft ], but don’t speak any Hebrew. Would someone be willing to take a look? ] (]) 17:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I couldn't find anything of note unfortunately. ]<sub>]</sub> 17:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::It’s alright, thank you. I already have enough for the article, I just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything :) ] (]) 17:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| More feedback is needed ]. ]<sub>]</sub> 21:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 23:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Request for comment at ]== | |||
| There is a request for comment at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 23:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 00:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==Discussion at ]== | |||
| ] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC)<!-- ] --> | |||
| == Misplaced Pages Command Center == | |||
| On October 2023, {{u|דוד שי}} (David Shay) announced a WhatsApp group to "fight" against anti-Israel bias in English Misplaced Pages. According to the announcement on Hebrew Misplaced Pages , the group seems to be coordinated by {{u|שלומית ליר}} (Shlomit Lir). It is also advertised on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages Facebook group, which is often moderated by {{u|Shani (WMF)}}. The group publicly self-styles itself as "Misplaced Pages Command Center", and seems to serve as a private coordination hub for pro-Israel editing, focusing on a list of English Misplaced Pages articles. Since the group references WikiProject Israel, I bring it up here. How does this group comply with ], ], ], etc? ] (]) 15:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not too surprised given the prominence of the conflict. These are he-wiki users though so the question is what you think could/should be done here at en-wiki? ]<sub>]</sub> 21:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The group is focused on coordinating I/P editing on English Misplaced Pages, so it is relevant to this project. ] (]) 21:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::<s>I guess the discussion might continue at ], since there is a longer discussion on canvassing efforts there. ] (]) 22:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>(This topic might be partly out of scope there. ] (]) 06:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC))</small> | |||
| ::::This group is focused on writing encyclopedic entries related to Israel, not only about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, although it is also about it, and its goal is to bring to the attention of readers only correct and verified information. The group in no way engages in biasing of articles, in contrast to extensive pro-Palestinian activity on the English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 02:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Every special-interest group that organises to edit Misplaced Pages claims to only want to bring "correct and verified information". ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I do not dispute that you might discuss other articles, but the list of 35 English Misplaced Pages target articles publicly shared by the group is 100% about the Israel-Palestine conflict and, more specifically, about the 2023-2024 Israel-Gaza War. In any case, the policies and guidelines I linked in the original post apply regardless of how broad the interests of the group might be. ] (]) 06:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I understand that the coordinators of this group have read this, since the group invite link has been revoked and the post recruiting people on the Hebrew Misplaced Pages Facebook group has been deleted. I assume there are no intentions to comply with English Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Just do your thing with the IDF Spokeperson Unit, with EC gaming grinding short descriptions, etc. I must admit English Misplaced Pages cannot do much against sufficiently motivated actors engaged in long term manipulation. ] (]) 19:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I agree with what your concerns, but given the imbalance of the editing that's happening here, they probably felt like they needed to do this in order to make things more balanced, not that 2 wrongs make a right. Unfortunately in the world we live in, there's a rush to come here and get a certain POV reflected and this people care less about Misplaced Pages than they do about their own agenda. So it becomes an arm race of which side has more editors to get their POV across. This isn't what Misplaced Pages is about, but given the principles it's built on, I guess it also kind of is. ] (]) 05:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::The ] they published about anti-Israel bias is pure non-sense. The perception that Misplaced Pages and realiable sources contradict their positions is not a license to ignore project policies. There are, at least, three groups organized to covertly push for pro-Israel POV: the ], the "Misplaced Pages Command Center", and the "Misplaced Pages Lobby Group". The level of institutional support they are getting both within Wikimedia and from external organizations is unprecedented. So there is, indeed, an imbalance: the tolerance towards organized efforts by pro-Israel groups. ] (]) 07:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::I hear you. Maybe the numbers required to be an Extended confirmed user need to be increased to 3 months and 1000 edits. Editors should be here because they want to contribute to Misplaced Pages, not because they have some axe to grind. Speaking of which, I see you are a page reviewer. Would you be able to have a look at ]? Thankyou. ] (]) 07:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::It's difficult to make accurate evidence-based statements about the dynamics or the current state of the topic area that avoid sampling bias, are independent of the observer and avoid hasty generalizations. I think the topic area is rather complicated, more like a forest canopy than a system with 2 opposing forces. It's good to have some humility about our ability construct true statements about balance and motivation etc. It may be better to focus on enforcing the simple rules than imagining we can grasp the complex dynamics. ] (]) 07:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::To illustrate the complexity, of a tiny part of the topic area, starting at the Israel–Hamas war category as a root and mapping the network of subcats, articles, talk pages, templates etc. Even for that tiny substructure within the topic area, it seems pretty unlikely that broad statements about of balance and editor motives, are going to be accurate. ] (]) 08:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| There is a requested move at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 21:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Potential targeting of bios == | |||
| Starting today, a user has raised issues with multiple bios written for people killed on October 7. There may be genuine notability issues with some of these articles, but they also suggested that ] (which I wrote) be deleted. When I challenged this, they proposed deletions on two other articles I wrote, ] and ], on the grounds they were part of a "legitimization campaign". I bring this up here to ensure other eyes are on these articles, especially if deletion nominations are made, since I can't be sure that this user is working in good faith. | |||
| ] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">]</span> (]) 03:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)<!-- ] --> | |||
| The other bios that this user has raised issues with are ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. ] (]) 22:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Discussion about "History of the Jews in ____" articles == | |||
| :Some of these individuals are clearly notable (like Vivian Silver, Jayar Davidov, etc.), while others may be more of an edge case, on one hand they are covered by reliable sources, but on the other hand most of that coverage is related to the October 7 events (see ]). ]<sub>]</sub> 15:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please see ] dealing with articles about Jews and Jewish history. Thank you, ] (]) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Are there good hebrew/israeli sources about Yehudit Karp (lawyer)? == | |||
| ==SHARAP== | |||
| I think what I found in English is enough to establish notability, but I am not happy about some of the sources and am looking for something higher quality. ] (]) 09:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I wonder if anyone feels like writing an article about this contentious subject? Or failing that a section for ]? All the best: ''] ]''<small> 16:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC).</small><br /> | |||
| == D. Grossman == | |||
| :The has many sources, including Haaretz and other newspapers. Lmk if you're looking for something specific. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for the very kind offer, I’ll try working with translation and see if I can figure it out :) ] (]) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Could anyone of you please start an article on him here on en.wp? There is a lot of info sourced to him. I asked , but he seems o be on a wiki break. The article about him on Hebrew wp is https://he.wikipedia.org/דוד_גרוסמן_(גאוגרף) Cheers, ] (]) 21:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Sidebar/Series for Bibi Netanyahu == | |||
| == Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories == | |||
| Hi, guys if anyone can help me in improving ]. Please tell me how does it look and is ready to create this template. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️<sup>(] ● ] ● ])</sup> 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please see the discussion at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == depopulated Palestinian villages == | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| Hello, the entries mentioned in ], ] and ] and other articles also in other languages do not have unified/appropriate properties in wikidata, , others are left as instances of "human settelment", "village" or "former human settlement", and with inconsistent (or non-existing property for) location, country ...etc, and a few have the properties relating to the timeframe of their depopulation. wikidata is still lacking/behind in some "technical" level such as describing the former population. But those still require consistency and inclusion of missing properties. | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| Adding appropriately consistent properties to the remaining hundreds of items as this is disregarded/underacknowledged information is vital for any general attempt for reflection/contextualization that is genuine. ] (]) 14:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| == Israel-Palestine and Indigeneity == | |||
| Please find sources. ] (]) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| The concept of ] is often invoked in contemporary discourse on the ], but I don't see any article on the subject. Palestinians are often referred to as "Indigenous" by pro-Palestinian advocates and likewise Zionists often claim that Jewish people are "Indigenous" to the ]. I think there should be an article, but I'm not sure what the title should be. ] (]) 01:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Sourcing for events at Kamal Adwan Hospital, Gaza
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges § Over-use of Al Jazeera. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion about "History of the Jews in ____" articles
Please see Talk:Jews in Madagascar#Requested move 1 November 2024 dealing with articles about Jews and Jewish history. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
SHARAP
I wonder if anyone feels like writing an article about this contentious subject? Or failing that a section for Healthcare in Israel? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
D. Grossman
Could anyone of you please start an article on him here on en.wp? There is a lot of info sourced to him. I asked Rajoub570, but he seems o be on a wiki break. The article about him on Hebrew wp is https://he.wikipedia.org/דוד_גרוסמן_(גאוגרף) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories
Please see the discussion at Talk:Georgian Jews#Requested move 12 November 2024. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Gaza Strip famine#Requested move 27 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gaza Strip famine#Requested move 27 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Kav LaOved
Please find sources. Bearian (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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