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== Question about the scope of this wikiproject ==


I happened to see a comment in ] that led me to an article with a section about antisemtism. Should the ]’s talkpage be tagged with this wikiproject's banner? Thanks in advance, ] (]) 16:53, 2 December 2016 (UTC){{small|please ] me}}
==Question==
One problem with this project is how is ] "not" going to be related to ]? Perhaps it would help if this project was RENAMED ] (i.e put the word "Secular" into it to differentiate from the religion of ]), which would then perhaps make the project clearer. ] 07:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:That would be fine, as long as we understand "]" in the sense of "Jews working in cultural areas not generally considered to be connected to religion" rather than "the culture of nonreligious Jews". (I started the WikiProject to get the ball rolling, and deliberately erred on the side of inclusiveness, so any refinements on the scope are very welcome.) ] ] 23:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


:Hi ]. I may be the only editor who belongs to both ] and this WikiProject. Maybe I should create an infobox! {{=)}} If you want an answer to your question, you ought to ask it at ], which is the active WikiProject for Judaism-related articles. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 00:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:I think your proposed name, IZAK, is ambiguous. I don't consider myself or my cultural practices secular, but I do have much in my life related to Jewish Culture that is not entirely religious. I think this project aims to oppose the monistically religious aims of ]. I think the latter's title is more ambiguous than this one. ] ] 02:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


::{{Yo|Malik Shabazz}} Just caught me on the way out :-) I thought about posting this to ], but I have been told (somewhere, sometime, on wikipedia) that Judaism is about the religion, and jewish is about the ethnic group. Thanks for remembering to ping me btw. ] (]) 00:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC){{small|please ] me}}
== Israeli ==


:::Hi ]. You're correct; ] is a religion, philosophy, culture, and way of life; ] are people. Although there have been efforts over the years to create WikiProjects about non-religious Jewish subjects—], ], ], even ]—almost all have faded because of lack of interest and only two remain: ] and ]. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 04:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi,


==]==
Does this project include Israeli culture? Or more diaspora-oriented? These are quite different things.
Can someone please 'adopt' this article and make it passable for ]? IMO it is a notable subject, but IMO WPDYK wpdyk turned into a walled garden nominating selves or each other, and their rules grew formal arcanity. I have troubles with using computer: it took me over 5 hours to write this stub, and unfortunately I am leaving it now. - ] ] 23:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:P.S. I am not going to nominate it for DYK myself. I consider doing this bad taste or a symptom of wikiholism.- ] ] 16:45, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


==Identifying who is Jewish==
Interestingly, in Israel when we say "Israeli Culture" (Tarbut Yisraelit) we mean usually the secular culture and when we say "Jewish Culture" ("Tarbut Yehudit") then there must be at least some pinch of religiousness in it. The "Israeli" is usually Jewish in language only - which is amusing by itself, as most of the diaspora Jewish culture had little Hebrew. There is lately a wave of secular artists that incorporate religious themes in their creations and then we usually call it Jewish.
I was wondering how do you define who is Jewish on Misplaced Pages since being Jewish seems to cross between religious and ethnic/cultural categories (i left the same post on ]). What would be sufficient sourcing? I have searched all the relevant help pages but cannot seem to find a definitive answer. Assigning religious identity to living people requires self-identification (]) while deceased people may be identified without self-identification (e.g. "services were held at Temple xxxx"). Being Jewish as an ethnicity does not seem to require such a high hurdle (]). I was told that in order to designate a person as Jewish I would need multiple irrevocable sources that specifically state that the reference is referring to ethnicity in order to include. As most citations do not specify whether the subject is Jewish by faith or descent, they would not be sufficient. For example, Edits to ] (1824–1907) have been removed since I do not have multiple sources and the one I do have does not specify whether it refers to religion or ethnicity.
*{{Cite web|last= |first= |authorlink= |title= Maurice Kremer: Very Early Pioneer Jewish Merchant and Civil Servant of Los Angeles |publisher=]|date= |url=http://www.jmaw.org/kremer-jewish-los-angeles/ |accessdate=April 9, 2018}}
and ] have been removed despite having an interview where she states she was confirmed and her parents attended temple during the high holy days
*{{Cite web|first= Susan B.|last= Reiss |authorlink= |title= Evelyn Danzig Haas - Fine Arts and Family: The San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, Philanthropy, Writing, and Haas Family Memories - Interviews Conducted by Susan B. Reiss|publisher=Regional Oral History Office, The Bancroft Library ]|date=1995 |url=https://archive.org/details/fineartsfamilyor00haasrich/page/n29 |quote= }}
and despite her funeral being held at ]
*{{cite news|last=Cabanatuan|first=Michael|title=Philanthropist, arts patron Evelyn Haas dies|url=http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-02-04/bay-area/17847248_1_mrs-haas-modern-art-bay-area|work=SF Gate|date=27 June 2011}}
For living people, I am told that I need to demonstrate a verified consensus of reliable sources that indicate that their being Jewish is key to their notability in addition to self-identification. see ] with three sources deemed insufficient
* 19 July 2009
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*{{Cite news|first=Gabriele |last=Grego |authorlink= |title= The Jewish Origins of Value investing |newspaper=]|date= December 8, 2014|url=https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-jewish-origins-of-value-investing/ |quote=It also should be pointed out that most value investors, including ], ], Bruce Berkowitz, ], ] and ], are Jewish.}}


If this is the standard, it seems that there will be very few Jewish biographies left (I was perusing "Jewish writers" and very few would stand up to this level of scrutiny). ] (]) 18:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
That's how our modern Hebrew language differentiates the nationality from the religion. Personally i don't like it - and i am secular myself.


==FYI==
So anyway: if this project deals with Israeli culture - religious or not - then i'll gladly help. But i know little about the diaspora culture except some ] and ] and even there i'm not an expert.
A discussion of Lists of Jewish people on the ] has been started. I would imagine it will also encompass what sourcing is required to define someone as Jewish.] (]) 14:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


== Jewish identity guidelines ==
Oh, and is ] and ] included? If you ask a common antisemite, then 95% of Hollywood's creations is Jewish culture :) --] 08:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Does WikiProject Judaism or WikiProject Jewish history have guidelines for when to classify subjects of biographic articles as "Jewish", "people of Jewish descent", etc? I have not seen any such guidance. I have noticed that many editors, who may be coming from a non-Jewish perspective and may not understand Jewish identity, inaccurately classify many Jews as non-Jews. I have seen Jewish descriptors removed from articles about secular Jews, formerly religious Jews referred to as "former Jews", and so forth. I have seen people placed into categories as being merely "people of Jewish descent", when they are indeed Jews. These presumably non-Jewish editors seem to not comprehend that Jewish identity is not only a religious identity, but a socio-cultural and ethnic identity as well. I have also seen non-Jewish Messianic Christians classified as Jews, when Jewish communities and Jewish movements overwhelmingly reject this self-identification.


One more issue; the categories for Ashkenazim, Sephardim, etc. There seems to be no guidance for when to classify a person as Ashkenazi or Sephardi. The categories are currently organized according to ancestry. People with both Ashkenazi and Sephardi ancestors are typically categorized as both. Ashkenazi and Sephardi identity is more complicated than that. Being Ashkenazi or Sephardi can be considered a person's minhag, their ethnicity, or both. An Ashkenazi Orthodox woman who marries a Sephardi man may adopt her husband's minhag and consider herself Sephardi. A person with mixed ancestry and an Ashkenazi father may only consider themselves Ashkenazi, due to minhag being passed down on the patrilineal line. A convert through Chabad will adopt an Ashkenazic minhag. I think it would be useful to clarify these distinctions in articles and categories and clearly state how we are classifying people.
: Israeli culture definitely included. ''Seinfeld'', I'd say yes. ''Sex and the City'' I don't know much about, what's specifically Jewish about it? - ] | ] 23:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


For these reasons and others, I think it could be useful to have inclusive but clear guidelines for determining Jewish identity. ] (]) 10:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
::I would think Israeli culture would fall on the border of this project, and belongs more in an Israel project; nonetheless, Israeli culture as it relates to global Jewish culture and Jewish history very much belongs here. It is cross-departmental.
::As for Seinfeld, yes, definitely: literary depiction of Jewish culture, as well as the influence of Jewish culture and society on New York, America, Western culture in general should all be topics of relevance here. ] ] 00:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
:::In sex and the city, I think the most Jewish part is the bagels. Oh and one of the protagonists converts herself at some point in great detail, in order to marry a Jew.


== ] listed at Requested moves==
== Copyright status of Jewish Encyclopedia images ==
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== Good article reassessment for ] ==
The following was posted on the ]. I thought it might be of interest to the project. ] ] 12:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 23:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


== ] listed at Requested moves==
There is a group of images in ] that are from the Jewish Encyclopedia, but they came from . I know the Jewish Encyclopedia is in the public domain but is the material at that web site PD as well?
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== ] listed at Requested moves==
Their TOS is pretty clear: ''3.2 You may search, retrieve, display, download, and print content from the Service solely for your personal, internal use, and shall make no other use of the content without the express written permission of JE.com and the copyright owner (or its authorized agent) of such content. '''You will not modify, publish, distribute, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part, found on the Service.''' Further, you will not engage in any systematic downloading or other activity directed towards any of the content, in whole or in part, found on the Service that would create any electronic data base or archive containing such content .'' Seems to me if that statement has any legal weight then Misplaced Pages shouldn't be using those images.
]A ] discussion has been initiated for ] to be moved to ]. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion ].<!-- Talk:Judaeo-Spanish#Requested move 10 December 2024 crosspost --> —] 02:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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This also brings up a general question. Can scans or photographs of PD works be copyrighted?--]] 04:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:Seems to be no, according to ]. - ] 05:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::I would assume than applies to scans as well. In which case it would seem JE.com can't legitimately put a copyright emblem on their scans of pictures from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I bring all this up because one of the images on the category page is mislabeled--it's actually a duplicate of another--and I wanted to replace it with the correct one. I just wanted to make sure all my jots and tittles are in place.--]] 06:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

== Minor help needed ==

At ], I need some help cleaning up some Hebrew-language citations. Also, if someone wants to do some research, there are some just plain uncited assertions in that section. - ] | ] 03:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== Jews and Bolshevism ==

Could I ask people to look in on my remarks at ]? I disagree with three recent edits to that article, but I'm hoping to hear from a few other people rather than singlehandedly revert. -- ] | ] 07:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== Deletionism facing (Judaism) articles ==

I have just placed the following on the ]. ], ] 09:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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:Shalom to everyone: There is presently a very serious phenomenon on Misplaced Pages that effects all articles. Let's call it "The New Deletionism". There are editors on Misplaced Pages who want to cut back the number of "low quality" articles EVEN IF THEY ARE ABOUT NOTABLE TOPICS AND SUBJECTS by skipping the normal procedures of placing {{]}} or {{]}} tags on the articles' pages and instead wish to skip that process altogether and nominate the articles for a ]. This can be done by ''any'' editor, even one not familiar with the subject. The implication/s for all articles related to Jews, Judaism, and Israel are very serious because many of these articles are of a specilaized nature that may or may not be poorly written yet have important connections to the general subjects of Jews, Judaism, and Israel, as any expert in that subject would know.

:Two recent examples will illustrate this problem:

::1) See ] where a notable Orthodox synagogue was deleted from Misplaced Pages. The nominator gave as his reason: "Scarce material available on Google, nor any evidence in those results of notability nor any notable size." Very few people voted and only one person objected correctly that: "I've visited this synagogue, know members, and know that it is a well established institution" which was ignored and the article was deleted. (I was unaware of the vote).

::2) See ] where the nominator sought to delete the article about Rabbi ] because: "It looks like a vanity project to me. While he does come up with many Google hits, they are all commercial in nature. The article is poorly written and reads like a commercial to me." In the course of a strong debate the nominator defended his METHOD: "... what better way to do that than put it on an ] where people who might know more about the subject might actually see it and comment rather than slapping a {{]}} and {{]}} template on and waiting for someone to perhaps come across it." But what if no-one noticed it in time and it would have gone the same way as "Congregation Zichron Kedoshim"? Fortunately, people noticed it, no-one agreed with the nominator and the article was kept.

:As we all know Googling for/about a subject can determine its fate as an article, but this too is not always a clear-cut solution. Thus for example, in the first case, the nominator saw almost nothing about "Congregation Zichron Kedoshim" on Google (and assumed it was unimportant) whereas in the second case the nominator admitted that Berel Wein "does come up with many Google hits" but dismissed them as "all commercial in nature". So in one case too few Google hits was the ''rationale'' for wanting to delete it and in the other it was ''too many'' hits (which were dismissed as "too commercial" and interpreted as insignificant), all depending on the nominators' ] of course.

:This problem is compounded because when nominators don't know ] or know nothing about Judaism and its rituals then they are at a loss, they don't know variant ] spellings, and compounding the problem even more Google may not have any good material or sources on many subjects important to Jewish, Judaic, and Israeli subjects. Often Judaica stores may be cluttering up the search with their tactics to sell products or non-Jewish sites decide to link up to Biblical topics that ''appear'' "Jewish" but are actually missionary sites luring people into misinformation about the Torah and the Tanakh, so while Googling may yield lots of hits they may mostly be Christian-oriented and even be hostile to the Judaic perspective.

:'''Therefore, all editors and contributors are requested to be aware of any such attempts to delete articles that have a genuine connection to any aspect of Jews, Judaism and Israel, and to notify other editors'''.

:'''Please, most importantly, place alerts here in particular so that other editors can be notified'''.

:Thank you for all your help and awareness. ] 08:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Nationality and ethnicity ==

I'd greatly appreciate if people would look in at ]. Basically, at least one editor is systematically removing mention of people's Jewishness from article leads, citing the manual of style. I think this is inappropriate, and is downright absurd in the case of (for example) prominent figures in Yiddish theatre. Would people please comment there instead of here? Thanks. - ] | ] 20:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== Problem with Kugel (disambiguation) ==

I'm having a bit of a problem with a user who insists on adding irrelevant material to the Kugel (disambiguation) page. Most of the material is German language compound words, and German surnames containing "kugel", and I don't see the relevance to the English language page. I've tried to reason with the user, first on his talk page, then on the articles, but I don't seem to be getting anything coherent from him. He just says that he's "listed the article for translation" (see the article's talk page. Some sane voices are needed. Any suggestions what to do? Regards, ] 10:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

== A Spanish-language resource ==

For anyone who reads Spanish, the April-June 2006 issue of the excellent ''Vanguardia Dossier'' (published by ''La Vanguardia'' of Barcelona) is on Israel. At a quick skim, it looks excellent. -- ] | ] 03:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Articles for review January 2006 ==

* ] - need more info on cantorial history, and general review.
**Did some on the article, would like to do more on the musicians particularly. --] ] ] 18:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
* ] is currently on AfD - can it be expanded beyond a dicdef?
**IMO, no, it's not really an encyclopedia topic. But it could redirect to ] or ] or ]. Indeed, some articles linked from the latter are dicdefs and should be similarly placed on AfD, IMO. ] ] 05:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
** It survived AFD, but what survived is little more than a stub. -- ] | ] 08:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
* ]: ] and I have done a lot of work on this lately. I think we have covered some areas well (some so well that they may deserve to be spun out into separate articles), but I'm equally sure that we've barely scratched the surface. And it needs a lot of citation: I was largely writing what I happened to know, at most just confirming from other (often uncited) Misplaced Pages articles, and I suspect he was doing the same. -- ] | ] 07:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
**I actually think that if we clean up the citation on the article and balance some of the information it would be a good featured article candidate. ] 18:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
**Help is needed with expanding ] and ]. Both of these sections were started by ], who did an excellent job with them and with the whole article in general. However, I am trying to expand the smaller sections of the article to have the same depth as the larger sections, and since I am hardly in expert in the following topics, help would be appreciated. I think that ] can also use some additional information regarding both Ashkenazi traditional dance and Israeli folk dancing (I have also made such a request on the ].

== Excellent essay on Jabotinsky ==

I just read what struck me as an excellent essay on ]:
* Jacqueline Rose, "The Zionist Imagination", ''The Nation'', June 26, 2006, p. 27-34.
Nominally, it is a book review of a translation of Jabotinsky's novel ''The Five'', and to some extent it is that, but that's more a point of departure than anything else. Despite ''The Nation's'' left-leaning politics, it is by no means a hostile essay.

For various reasons, I don't feel I'm a particularly good person to work on the Jabotinsky article, but I strongly urge someone for whom such a topic would be their "turf" to read the piece; I suspect it is worth mining. - ] | ] 15:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

== WikiProject Orthodox Judaism ==

Welcome ]. Please join if you are interested. Thank you. ] 08:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== ] and ] ==

The German article ], which is a direct translation of ] over here, is currently nominated for deletion on the German Misplaced Pages, with a majority of people so far voting for deletion. The bottom line of the delete votes is that the article mostly consists of dangerous (anti-Semitic) clichés, lumps together all aspects of Jewish culture without proper differentiation, and reduces them to their "Jewishness" in the negative sense of Richard Wagner. One editor went as far as saying that the topic was "notable" but that it was going to remain "unworkable" in the German wikipedia "for a long time". I do not think that the article as it stands is beyond criticism, but I do not think it is beyond (or even badly in need of) repair, either. If anyone here thinks the same and is able to communicate in German (I'd be glad to help), please contribute to the . --] 10:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
: The article here is ]. - ] | ] 17:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

==]==
] is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found ]. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. ] 14:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

==]==
In case anyone is interested, ], ]'s story, is up for featured article status. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 08:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)



== Jewish WIKIVERSITY ==

NEW: On there is now a "." Will it become a "duplication" of many things on Misplaced Pages? What should it's goals and functions be? Please add your learned views. Thank you. ] 09:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

There is an article up for deletion at ] which describes a social event claimed to take place in many cities the day before Erev Rosh Hashanah. Someone has posted some sources to back up the claims of the article but they are all in Hebrew:
*http://www.ynet.co.il/yaan/0,7340,L-20716-MjA3MTZfNDY1MjI2ODZfMTQ4Njg3MjAw-FreeYaan,00.html
*http://www.ha-lool.co.il/magazine/article.asp?id=357
*http://www.tam.co.il/26_12_97/tar1.html
Could a Hebrew-speaking person look these up and comment at the AfD as to whether they support the accuracy of the ] article? Thanks! --] 03:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Metropolitan90, The third one is directly related, some of the links from the second one are directly related, and some are not really related (i.e. some are related to rosh hashonah). As for the the top one, it is mentioned, but it is not the sole focus of the article. Again, much of the article is about rish hashonah. So, only the third source is purely about the event in question. Hope this helps. Faito. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 6 September 2006.</small>

== RFC: ] ==

The article ] has accurate information but a ] title. Discussion on ] and on ] have determined that the article must be moved; that discussion also shows that no one knows where to move it to. Per the instructions at ] I am requesting comment here and at ]; but '''please direct all discussion to ]'''. Thanks so much.&mdash;]<span class="Unicode">&#x2120;</span> 15:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

== Lead sections ==

Could I ask the participants in this project what they think of this by {{user|Jack O'Lantern}} to ]? I disagree entirely with the direction he was going. Asch is reduced from being "Jewish" to "of Jewish heritage", and mention of his being Jewish is removed from the first paragraph, while mention of him being a "Polish-born American" is retained.

I disagree strongly with this, and with the direction it suggests. When I think of a "Polish-born American", I do not think of a Jew, and I can't imagine too many authors more profoundly Jewish than Asch, who authored works in both Hebrew and Yiddish, and most of whose works are set in a Jewish ''milieu''.

Comments would probably be better at ] than here. I will remark there on the cross-post. - ] | ] 17:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This seems to be a campaign of his. For example, he's done the same thing to ], a little less clearcut a case than Asch, but still, someone whose Jewishness seems to me more important to have in the lead than his Lithuanian birthplace. - ] | ] 18:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

], too. All mention of him being Jewish has been removed, even though his initial interest in theater was through Yiddish theater, and he was married to ]. - ] | ] 06:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

== Maddening HTML trouble ==

I'm having a heck of a time getting the Yiddish spelling of ]'s name into his article. The problem is discussed at ]. Help (including suggestions of who to ask!) would be appreciated greatly. - ] | ] 06:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Project directory ==

Hello. The ] has recently updated the ]. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at ], listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding ], ], and ] are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. ] 16:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Yankev Shternberg ==

Minor help needed at ]: there is a footnote that needs some "captioning" of a link; I'm not literate in Yiddish, which is the relevant language. - ] | ] 07:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:How would you like the link to be captioned? The link is to an article entitled "The great writer and thinker Moshe Altman" by Yechiel Shraibman in Moldova, preceded by a short obituary of the article's author. ] 10:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
If you can just do it analogously to what I've done with the Russian-language links, that would be great. (In this case, also, there is a named author, so the original language and parenthetical transliteration should also be there for the author's name.) - ] | ] 19:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

== CfD Anti-Semitic people ==

Hi: See ]. Thank you. ] 10:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
==]==
:An editor has raised neutrality issues with the article. The subject is part of Jewish history, particularly the section ], regarding the persecution of ] during the Christian inquisition in India. I would greatly appreciate perusal and input regarding any neutrality issues. ] 04:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== Response to NOTICE and OBJECTIONS to WikiProject Religion vs. Judaism ==

Hi: It is very important that you see the points and the response from ] about his aims at ] ASAP. Have a Happy Chanukah! ] 15:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages Day Awards ==

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of ] proposal for an appreciation week to end on Misplaced Pages Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at ] where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. ] 20:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
== Stereotypical movies ==
Why is there not just one page about stereotypes of jews in popular culture like their is for other religons and ethnic groups?
This would be much easier then having to look at specific stereotypes! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 20:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Please review these articles and their talk ==

I am in conflict with an editor from the evolution/Intelligent Design argumentation world who seems to be there for ''lehakholis'' (Aramaic, for the cursedness!).

* ]
* ] --] 04:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Heeeeellp !!!!! ==

I have no idea how to to file the right kind of request for comment or mediation or arbitration, or whatever. I have a determined troll following me around "proceduring" me to death. He has been following me around through a series of articles that I have been working on, constantly editing things while I am in the process of editing them too, demending changes, moving things around.

* ]
* ]
* ]

One of the big problems, frankly, is that the topics I am working on require some knowledge of Hebrew and a lot of knowledge of Jewish philosophy and theology. This editor, who knows nothing about these matters, is simply creating one stumbling block after another, always citing some wikipedia procedure. He appears to be going to my contributions file to see what I am working on, and then going there to mess something up.

I frankly don't want to know all the Misplaced Pages policies and procedures. I want to write. I've been doing so for about a year, and so far, I've been very happy with it. I've asked him to back away. I asked him to come back and edit the article later in the day, or in the evening. I've offered for both of us to leave and come back in a week, to allow some other writer a chance to work.

Misplaced Pages needs contributors who are writers, who know a subject well, who do careful research work in the subject and write well balanced and thoroughly sourced articles. I am such a person. I don't claim authority in any field, like an advanced degree. (I do have an advanced degree, I just don't claim that it matters here on Misplaced Pages.)

What I can do is easy to see from what I have done. I have started dozens of articles, and never had one deleted, working some of them through to completion. Many of them are on serious scholarly topics. I enjoy writing. I don't claim to "own" these articles. If I wanted that, I would write somewhere under my own name.

What happened to me over the last few days was an incident of procedural harassment. I have never experienced anything like it. ] has been following me around through a group of articles that I have been working on, creating a long series of procedural problems. Each time, he cites some Misplaced Pages policy for why he is right.

I'm not interested in arguing about Misplaced Pages policy X or Y. I am interested in writing. I am not interested in going thourgh some kind of elaborate Misplaced Pages arbitration determination procedure, in which we somehow determine who was right.

It's very simple. There are 1,697,000 articles on Misplaced Pages that this person could be working on, and most of them do need work. ] could be working on any one of them, but instead, he chooses to harass me.

Looking at his recent logs, his last RfC was a few days ago. I've never had one. I didn't even know what an RfC was until a few days ago. This user is simply looking for fights.

If I'm supposed to go to some kind of arbitration panel and write some kind of elaborate defense or request, I'm outta here. I'm not interested in spending time doing that. I've never bothered to figure out how to cite logs, and I don't want to. ] has presented an endless series of procedural hurdles, and such a process would be more of the same, and a complete waste of time. I'm sure that once the process was finished, he would be back to more of the same.

He knows nothing about the topics that I am trying to write about. I would welcome a collaborator or two who does, but this fellow isn't that collaborator. He simply creates endless headaches. Each time, he cites the wikipedia policy under which he is of course "right," but if I then try the same thing back, or try to suggest something else, there is some other Misplaced Pages policy under which he is also right.

I've read that Misplaced Pages is interested in the product, not the process. Well this user is obsessed with the process, and presents endless hurdles to improving the product.

If your answer is that I'm supposed to file wiki-dot-colon-xxxcite-procedure and wait for a wiki-xxxxarb-med-committee to volunteer to handle the case, my answer is no. That's his game, not mine. I'm sure he is good at it too. --] 05:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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Question about the scope of this wikiproject

I happened to see a comment in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Canadian football that led me to an article with a section about antisemtism. Should the article’s talkpage be tagged with this wikiproject's banner? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:53, 2 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Hi Ottawahitech. I may be the only editor who belongs to both WP:WikiProject African diaspora and this WikiProject. Maybe I should create an infobox! If you want an answer to your question, you ought to ask it at WT:WikiProject Judaism, which is the active WikiProject for Judaism-related articles. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 00:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
@Malik Shabazz: Just caught me on the way out :-) I thought about posting this to wp: WikiProject Judaism, but I have been told (somewhere, sometime, on wikipedia) that Judaism is about the religion, and jewish is about the ethnic group. Thanks for remembering to ping me btw. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me
Hi Ottawahitech. You're correct; Judaism is a religion, philosophy, culture, and way of life; Jews are people. Although there have been efforts over the years to create WikiProjects about non-religious Jewish subjects—Jewish culture, Jewish history, the Jewish Encyclopedia (1901–1906), even American Jews—almost all have faded because of lack of interest and only two remain: WP:WikiProject Judaism and WP:WikiProject Jewish Women. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 04:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Yiddish Glory

Can someone please 'adopt' this article and make it passable for WP:DYK? IMO it is a notable subject, but IMO WPDYK wpdyk turned into a walled garden nominating selves or each other, and their rules grew formal arcanity. I have troubles with using computer: it took me over 5 hours to write this stub, and unfortunately I am leaving it now. - Altenmann >talk 23:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

P.S. I am not going to nominate it for DYK myself. I consider doing this bad taste or a symptom of wikiholism.- Altenmann >talk 16:45, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Identifying who is Jewish

I was wondering how do you define who is Jewish on Misplaced Pages since being Jewish seems to cross between religious and ethnic/cultural categories (i left the same post on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Judaism). What would be sufficient sourcing? I have searched all the relevant help pages but cannot seem to find a definitive answer. Assigning religious identity to living people requires self-identification (Misplaced Pages:BLPCAT) while deceased people may be identified without self-identification (e.g. "services were held at Temple xxxx"). Being Jewish as an ethnicity does not seem to require such a high hurdle (Misplaced Pages:ETHNICRACECAT). I was told that in order to designate a person as Jewish I would need multiple irrevocable sources that specifically state that the reference is referring to ethnicity in order to include. As most citations do not specify whether the subject is Jewish by faith or descent, they would not be sufficient. For example, Edits to Maurice Kremer (1824–1907) have been removed since I do not have multiple sources and the one I do have does not specify whether it refers to religion or ethnicity.

and Evelyn Danzig Haas have been removed despite having an interview where she states she was confirmed and her parents attended temple during the high holy days

and despite her funeral being held at Congregation Emanu-El (San Francisco)

For living people, I am told that I need to demonstrate a verified consensus of reliable sources that indicate that their being Jewish is key to their notability in addition to self-identification. see Bruce Berkowitz with three sources deemed insufficient

If this is the standard, it seems that there will be very few Jewish biographies left (I was perusing "Jewish writers" and very few would stand up to this level of scrutiny). Patapsco913 (talk) 18:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

FYI

A discussion of Lists of Jewish people on the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Coffee removing Categories and Lists Inappropriately has been started. I would imagine it will also encompass what sourcing is required to define someone as Jewish.Patapsco913 (talk) 14:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Jewish identity guidelines

Does WikiProject Judaism or WikiProject Jewish history have guidelines for when to classify subjects of biographic articles as "Jewish", "people of Jewish descent", etc? I have not seen any such guidance. I have noticed that many editors, who may be coming from a non-Jewish perspective and may not understand Jewish identity, inaccurately classify many Jews as non-Jews. I have seen Jewish descriptors removed from articles about secular Jews, formerly religious Jews referred to as "former Jews", and so forth. I have seen people placed into categories as being merely "people of Jewish descent", when they are indeed Jews. These presumably non-Jewish editors seem to not comprehend that Jewish identity is not only a religious identity, but a socio-cultural and ethnic identity as well. I have also seen non-Jewish Messianic Christians classified as Jews, when Jewish communities and Jewish movements overwhelmingly reject this self-identification.

One more issue; the categories for Ashkenazim, Sephardim, etc. There seems to be no guidance for when to classify a person as Ashkenazi or Sephardi. The categories are currently organized according to ancestry. People with both Ashkenazi and Sephardi ancestors are typically categorized as both. Ashkenazi and Sephardi identity is more complicated than that. Being Ashkenazi or Sephardi can be considered a person's minhag, their ethnicity, or both. An Ashkenazi Orthodox woman who marries a Sephardi man may adopt her husband's minhag and consider herself Sephardi. A person with mixed ancestry and an Ashkenazi father may only consider themselves Ashkenazi, due to minhag being passed down on the patrilineal line. A convert through Chabad will adopt an Ashkenazic minhag. I think it would be useful to clarify these distinctions in articles and categories and clearly state how we are classifying people.

For these reasons and others, I think it could be useful to have inclusive but clear guidelines for determining Jewish identity. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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