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== Add the Hebrew name of this area please "Judea and Samaria" ==
== Small grammar error ==


Crossing Points section, in the 2nd sentence: "...is controlled by...", would be improved written as, "... has been controlled by". Thank you! ] (]) 11:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC) It is missing, and it very important part about this area ] (]) 19:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)


⚫ :Not done. See ]. ] (]) 20:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
== Rephrasing a sentence ==
::::] addresses terms for the West Bank in English. I believe that the ] in Hebrew is "יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן" ("Judea and Samaria"), as reflected in both ] and ]. (Yes, the calque "West Bank" exists in Hebrew, as pointed out in ] but, from what I've read, in Hebrew that's the one viewed as having a (Jordan-centric) POV.) Assuming some would object to "יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן", a possible compromise is to use "אֵזוֹר יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן" ("Judea and Samaria Area")—see ] rule #5. ] (]) 08:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::This is English Misplaced Pages. No end run around WP:WESTBANK by way of a different language. ] (]) 10:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)


== Legality of occupation ==
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Rephrase the following line from:


{{ping|BarrelProof}} : ] (]) 08:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
"It has an estimated population of 2,747,943 Palestinians, and over 670,000 Israeli settlers live in the West Bank, of which approximately 220,000 live in East Jerusalem."


:The BBC source does actually make it clear that the occupation is illegal, so I don't understand that part of the edit summary but there is a problem with "since 1967", at the outset, the occupation itself would not have been illegal but became so with the passage of time (no intent to leave and all the other reasons given in the AO). That part needs fixing up. ] (]) 08:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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::I'm not sure what part of the edit summary you're referring to, but I agree with you. The sentence in the Misplaced Pages article that I changed said the occupation has been illegal since 1967. The cited source does not say that and the ICJ did not declare that (AFAIK). My edit converted a false statement into a true statement. —⁠ ⁠] (]) 14:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Selfstudier}} I don't think we need attribution for the ICJ, top authority on international law, in the opening paragraph. A good middle ground would be ".., whose continuation is illegal under international law." ] (]) 07:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I don't mind either way, for me the point is that issue is finally resolved because it is the ICJ. At some point, sources may simply report the illegality as a fact without referring to to the ICJ, do we have any of those yet? ] (]) 09:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Selfstudier}} It was reaffirmed in addition to having been resolved, as RS have long described the occupation as having become illegal. Yes, we have at least one: : "In fact, the US moved its embassy to West Jerusalem, despite Israel’s continued illegal occupation of the eastern half of the city, in 2018." ] (]) 11:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although RS have long described the occupation as illegal and that was a significant view, there were dissenting views. Agreed that no longer matters, just that I would prefer but do not insist on, because it will likely take a little time to sink in, more RS just straight up saying it. One is however sufficient so if you want to do away with the attribution I won't object. ] (]) 11:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I have removed the attribution. ] (]) 09:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


== Palestinian flag ==
"It has an estimated population of 2,747,943 Palestinians and 670,000 Israeli settlers. Approximately 220,000 of these settlers live in East Jerusalem."


---Side Note: if you are able, check the two sources cited, I don't see those exact figures in either of the sources. These numbers may need to be updated. ] (]) 21:44, 10 October 2023 (UTC) Doesn't its inclusion here violate ]? ] (]) 08:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 04:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


:How? ] (]) 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
== The history section is messy ==
::It's a disputed area, and the State of Palestine is a ].

::] for example does not have a huge Pakistani or Indian flag on its page, as it would give an impression of partiality to a reader, thereby undermining the absorption of information. ] (]) 08:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
I'm trying to make sense from the history section, as it seems messy. Lots of things are repeated, and it has a huge section about economy, while the historical situation is absent or repeated in all the subheadings. I'm not competent enough in this topic to summarize or to move the economy data to another section, but I think it should be done. ] (]) 09:17, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Readers are not stupid children. It most certainly does not violate NPOV. Israel does not claim it is part of Israel, it is administered as occupied territory. It is part of the State of Palestine. Israel is also a partially recognized state and a disputed area for some people. That has nothing to do with it. ] (]) 09:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

::::Fair points. I'll leave this here however: ''{{tq|]}}''.
:I am trying to find out what life was like before the Jordanian annexation. Things such as "who lived in what is now the West Bank?" "Were there Jews there in the recent (post 1800) past?" "Has it always been farmland?"
::::Anything that gives an impression of partiality should be avoided imo. ] (]) 09:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
:There is little about this SPECIFIC area, with almost all of it dealing with the post British Mandate period. It's actually very odd - lots of information about everywhere else, even the "east bank". ] (]) 18:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
::::: ] ] (]) 18:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== "Considered illegal under international law" ==

<blockquote>Under ], which is considered illegal under ]<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Roberts |first1=Adam |author-link=Adam Roberts (scholar) |year=1990 |title=Prolonged Military Occupation: The Israeli-Occupied Territories Since 1967 |url=https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8aaa/455b51d4c49285089a97a08496071e322877.pdf |url-status=dead |journal=The American Journal of International Law |volume=84 |issue=1 |pages=85–86 |doi=10.2307/2203016 |jstor=2203016 |s2cid=145514740 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200215100933/https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8aaa/455b51d4c49285089a97a08496071e322877.pdf |archive-date=2020-02-15 |quote=The international community has taken a critical view of both deportations and settlements as being contrary to international law. General Assembly resolutions have condemned the deportations since 1969, and have done so by overwhelming majorities in recent years. Likewise, they have consistently deplored the establishment of settlements, and have done so by overwhelming majorities throughout the period (since the end of 1976) of the rapid expansion in their numbers. The Security Council has also been critical of deportations and settlements; and other bodies have viewed them as an obstacle to peace, and illegal under international law... Although East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been brought directly under Israeli law, by acts that amount to annexation, both of these areas continue to be viewed by the international community as occupied, and their status as regards the applicability of international rules is in most respects identical to that of the West Bank and Gaza.}}</ref></blockquote>

The source for this line in the infobox is from 1990, which cannot account for 30+ years of development. A more contemporary source is needed to confirm this status as of 2024. –]<sup>⋉]</sup> 12:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC) –]<sup>⋉]</sup> 12:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

This has been on my todo list for a while, please allow some time and I will update (and slightly correct) this. Unless someone wants to do it first. ] (]) 12:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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== Minor edir request ==

Hello - would someone with editing access change the opening sentenc to the history section. This from 'From 1517 through 1917, the area now known ..' to 'From 1517 to 1917, the area now known ..' The reason is 'through' in this context is minor use, which is just one country. The use of 'to' in this context is near universal. The article does not require the use of a niche English language. Thank you. ] (]) 17:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

⚫ :Done. ] (]) 18:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2024 ==

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While the West Bank territory did not first emerge in the wake of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the name "West Bank" did emerge as a term in the wake of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, as being on the West Bank of the Jordain River. The West Bank ''Territory'' is the historical and biblical name for the central region of Israel, bordered by Judea to the south and Galilee to the north.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Samaria ] (]) 13:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 15:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

== Change request - Demographics \ Religion ==

{{edit extended-protected}}

Change from:
The remainder are Christian (mostly Greek Orthodox) and others.

To:
The remainder are 1–2.5% Christian (mostly Greek Orthodox), and others.

It's mentioned in the existing ref there. ] 21:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add the Hebrew name of this area please "Judea and Samaria"

It is missing, and it very important part about this area 147.235.196.127 (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Not done. See WP:WESTBANK. Selfstudier (talk) 20:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
WP:WESTBANK addresses terms for the West Bank in English. I believe that the WP:COMMONNAME in Hebrew is "יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן" ("Judea and Samaria"), as reflected in both Misplaced Pages and Wikidata. (Yes, the calque "West Bank" exists in Hebrew, as pointed out in WP:ARBPIA2 but, from what I've read, in Hebrew that's the one viewed as having a (Jordan-centric) POV.) Assuming some would object to "יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן", a possible compromise is to use "אֵזוֹר יְהוּדָה וְשׁוֹמְרוֹן" ("Judea and Samaria Area")—see WP:WESTBANK rule #5. Dotyoyo (talk) 08:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
This is English Misplaced Pages. No end run around WP:WESTBANK by way of a different language. Selfstudier (talk) 10:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Legality of occupation

@BarrelProof: : Top UN court says Israeli occupation of West Bank and East Jerusalem is illegal Makeandtoss (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The BBC source does actually make it clear that the occupation is illegal, so I don't understand that part of the edit summary but there is a problem with "since 1967", at the outset, the occupation itself would not have been illegal but became so with the passage of time (no intent to leave and all the other reasons given in the AO). That part needs fixing up. Selfstudier (talk) 08:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what part of the edit summary you're referring to, but I agree with you. The sentence in the Misplaced Pages article that I changed said the occupation has been illegal since 1967. The cited source does not say that and the ICJ did not declare that (AFAIK). My edit converted a false statement into a true statement. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
@Selfstudier: I don't think we need attribution for the ICJ, top authority on international law, in the opening paragraph. A good middle ground would be ".., whose continuation is illegal under international law." Makeandtoss (talk) 07:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
I don't mind either way, for me the point is that issue is finally resolved because it is the ICJ. At some point, sources may simply report the illegality as a fact without referring to to the ICJ, do we have any of those yet? Selfstudier (talk) 09:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
@Selfstudier: It was reaffirmed in addition to having been resolved, as RS have long described the occupation as having become illegal. Yes, we have at least one: : "In fact, the US moved its embassy to West Jerusalem, despite Israel’s continued illegal occupation of the eastern half of the city, in 2018." Makeandtoss (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Although RS have long described the occupation as illegal and that was a significant view, there were dissenting views. Agreed that no longer matters, just that I would prefer but do not insist on, because it will likely take a little time to sink in, more RS just straight up saying it. One is however sufficient so if you want to do away with the attribution I won't object. Selfstudier (talk) 11:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
I have removed the attribution. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Doesn't its inclusion here violate WP:NPOV? Shoshin000 (talk) 08:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

How? Selfstudier (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
It's a disputed area, and the State of Palestine is a partially recognized state.
Kashmir for example does not have a huge Pakistani or Indian flag on its page, as it would give an impression of partiality to a reader, thereby undermining the absorption of information. Shoshin000 (talk) 08:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Readers are not stupid children. It most certainly does not violate NPOV. Israel does not claim it is part of Israel, it is administered as occupied territory. It is part of the State of Palestine. Israel is also a partially recognized state and a disputed area for some people. That has nothing to do with it. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Fair points. I'll leave this here however: According to a 2020 report by Gallup based on data from the U.S. Department of Education, 54% of adults in the United States lack English literacy proficiency.
Anything that gives an impression of partiality should be avoided imo. Shoshin000 (talk) 09:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:FORUM Selfstudier (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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