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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

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• To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason:

  {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}
  

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• If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
• If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

• FHM (India) → FHM India (currently a redirect back to FHM (India)) (move · discuss) – WP:CONSISTENT with FHM Australia. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Contested technical requests

• Mouse-gray flycatcher → Mouse-grey flycatcher (currently a redirect back to Mouse-gray flycatcher) (move · discuss) – to conform to Misplaced Pages standard of using IOC bird names Craigthebirder (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't WP:ENGVAR and MOS:RETAIN apply? Minor spelling variations are not really different names. Note that Gray hawk does not use the IOC's spelling. See prior discussions at Talk:Gray hawk. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• United States amusement park accidents → Amusement park accident (move · discuss) – WP:SINGULAR, article not supposed to cover only accidents in the US and contains lists that include global incidents, Template:Globalize placed to address the potential issue –Tobias (talk) 21:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been at its current title for almost two years which IMO is a bit late to revert a previously undiscussed WP:BOLDMOVE. Unsure a case for globalization should be made here given the article currently only covers US amusement part incidents and Incidents at European amusement parks already exists in a much more advanced state. Note there is a previous version of the article that had much more thorough coverage of US incidents here before it was gutted in 2022; perhaps that could be fixed up.Further discussion would probably help here. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tobiasi0 your move request has been contested. If you wish to continue, please open a full requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. RachelTensions (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Venkateswara → Venkateshwara (currently a redirect back to Venkateswara) (move · discuss) – Correct spelling as per Hunterian transliteration Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Tstcikhthys1 Warrants a discussion. "Venkateswara" appears much more common according to ngrams. C F A 02:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Ngrams can't be the only source used; this is a typo that needs to be fixed. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  You can start a requested-move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. C F A 18:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Theodore Roosevelt III → Theodore Roosevelt IV (currently a redirect instead to Theodore Roosevelt V) (move · discuss) – To avoid current confusion: President Roosevelt's father was Theodore Roosevelt Sr., and while the same-named son did not commonly use a "Jr." name suffix, his same-named son, grandson, and great-grandson count Theodore Roosevelt Sr. as the first in the name order, not the President. Mrn5768 (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is a complicated rationale and definitely would require a full requested move discussion. In addition, there are previous requested moves here and here which make this move ineligible for a bold, undiscussed move per the requirements at WP:RMUM. You can start a full requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. RachelTensions (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Mrn5768 your move request has been contested. If you wish to continue, please open a full requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. RachelTensions (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hemipenthes alba → Hemipenthes albus (currently a redirect back to Hemipenthes alba) (move · discuss) – H. albus remains the valid spelling (see http://www.diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/205521) until and unless it is corrected in a peer-reviewed journal. Nomenclatural changes should not be performed in a Misplaced Pages article. Moreover, from what I can tell, πένθος (pénthos) is neuter, so I do not believe an emendation to the name is warranted. I cannot perform the move because of the redirect Shawnbrescia (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Shawnbrescia Search shows that current name is also commonly used. Full RM might be needed ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Where are you seeing H. alba used? The only case I can find is BioLib, which changed the page after the Misplaced Pages page for H. alba was created. Also, even if H. alba is used by secondary sources, the rules of scientific nomenclature forbid renaming of species unless it is done in a peer-reviewed journal, which I can find no evidence of. Shawnbrescia (talk) 15:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Better do a full RM ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 05:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bunnypranav: would you be willing to move the page first, then if you are still concerned about sourcing, do an RM from albus back to alba? My strong concerns about potential WP:circular reporting (as implied in Shawnbrescia's reply to you) compel me to ask for this deviation from standard procedure. The sources in the article itself suggest alba is WP:OR: the ICZN source cited says nothing about H. albus itself. My own searches on Google Scholar found the one source cited, Ávalos-Hernández 2009, for albus but absolutely nothing for alba. Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 08:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your arguments and the nom is fine, but I'm still not that confident about the move. Feel free to move it to the above discussion if you think another PM can take care of it. Or just simply start an RM, that will have comments from many more editors about the confusion in sources. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

In that case, I ask a pagemover please move to albus before opening a RM discussion back to alba if pagemover still has concerns about sourcing. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: That’s not how this page works. We don’t move an article and then request to move it back. A page mover has already contested the request. If you are interested in moving the page, you are free to request it on the talk page. cyberdog958 15:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I intentionally invoked WP:IAR this one time for reasons I already outlined above; this specific set of circumstances should (in its imperative mood) not be used to set any sort of precedent. I do not oppose moving this to article talk. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: I think a full RM would be required. There you can present your reasonings to other editors more familiar with the topic area. We can’t control what others do with the information coming from Misplaced Pages. I don’t see WP:CIRCULAR as a compelling enough reason to IAR and hasten the process outside the normal procedure. cyberdog958 17:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't think this case of IAR really helps anything. The discussion is relatively unlikely to end as a no consensus close, and regardless of where the article is before the move, the last stable title is the current one; no consensus closes default back to the last stable title. This should either be handled here (which by now, enough discussion has occurred where it really shouldn't be) or in a full RM beginning at the current title. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Dracunculus medinensis → Guinea worm (currently a redirect back to Dracunculus medinensis) (move · discuss) – WP:COMMONNAME. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Any evidence for this? C F A 02:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Courtesy pinging @Closed Limelike Curves. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Trends – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Trends collects data on search terms, not sources. Ngrams, on the other hand, collates hits in sources and also backs up this COMMONNAME trend. Toadspike 21:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Contesting as controversial since a previous RM was unsuccessful. Feel free to start another discussion, Closed Limelike Curves. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• William H. Natcher Parkway → Natcher Parkway (currently a redirect back to William H. Natcher Parkway) (move · discuss) – The shorthand form of the name was and continues to be the common name for the roadway, even after its official decommissioning, per local news reporting. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 10:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett Quick search shows that sources are using the long name as well. Full RM might be needed to due no clear common name. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rana (2012 film) → Rana (film) (currently a redirect instead to Rana) (move · discuss) – Both the 1998 and cancelled film lack articles. Kochadaiiyaan is a prequel to the unreleased film Rana as per the article. DareshMohan (talk) 10:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@DareshMohan There seems to be no primary between the two films. @Wbm1058: recently moved an article away from this title. So this is not uncontroversial, full RM is required ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Phong Điền district, Cần Thơ (currently a redirect to Phong Điền district) → Phong Điền district (move · discuss) – This place name is no longer easily confused. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Khanh Nguyen There is not primary topic yet per Pageviews, the dab page lists two place with the same name and district suffix. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Phong Điền district, Thừa Thiên Huế has been redirected to Phong Điền (town). Currently, this location no longer carries the district suffix. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• WNYT (TV) → WNYT (move · discuss) – Primary topic; WP:SMALLDETAILS; no terrestrial radio station with this call sign; WNYT (internet radio) just got AFDed Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • WNYT → WNYT (disambiguation)

@Mvcg66b3r You yourself just filed the AfD on WNYT (internet radio) three minutes before requesting the move here. I suggest to wait until the AfD is closed before we start moving the pages around. cyberdog958 05:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Alternate reality → Alternative reality (currently a redirect back to Alternate reality) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Alternate reality game → Alternative reality game (currently a redirect back to Alternate reality game) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Alternate history → Alternative history (currently a redirect back to Alternate history) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning for the word is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Alternate ending → Alternative ending (currently a redirect back to Alternate ending) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tstcikhthys1 I am contesting all of these "alternate" to "alternative" moves, as they are not uncontroversial and should go through a full move discussion to determine the COMMONNAME of their subjects. Toadspike 13:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

See for instance the third footnote of Alternate history, which reads Brave New Words: The Oxford Dictionary of Science Fiction (Oxford University Press, 2007) notes the preferred usage is "Alternate History", which was coined in 1954; "Alternative History" was first used in 1977, pp. 4–5. This directly contradicts the claim that British sources prefer "alternative". Toadspike 13:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has dealt with this terminology issue in the past. At Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Albums there have been several flips over the years about what to call an extra album cover used in other countries and the like. Sometimes it was "Alternate cover" but it is currently "Alternative cover" (see Template:Infobox album). The earliest such discussion I can find was way back in 2009 at Template talk:Infobox album/Archive 5#Mistake, and note the dictionary definitions like those brought up by the requester here. So no matter how messy they may be, these requests have some precedents. All will be controversial, regardless. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Dextroamphetamine → Dexamfetamine (currently a redirect back to Dextroamphetamine) (move · discuss) – Title change to conform with WP:MEDMOS which specifies that the INN should be used for drugs Dalziel 86 (talk) 12:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dalziel 86 That article has had the same name since being created in 2005. WP:MEDMOS states that …an international standard may be helpful, though Misplaced Pages generally discourages changing existing article usage. It also stated that the most recognized and used name should be used. At least in my area of the world of medicine, dextroamphetamine is used pretty much exclusively over dexamfetamine. This would require a full RM if you want the name to be changed. cyberdog958 15:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The wording you quote from WP:MEDMOS is the latter part of a sentence that begins: "Where there are lexical differences between the varieties of English..." so it's at best a misreading to take it as relevant to the question of whether to rename the article. This is not a difference between varieties of English, it is the application of a Misplaced Pages standard for a technical subject, in this case specifying that the INN should be used for article titles on drugs. Likewise, the INN has been specified as Misplaced Pages's standard for article titles on drugs precisely because the terminology varies in different areas of the world of medecine, and the specific subjective experience of being familiar primarily with one of those areas rather than another should not be considered a basis for determining article titles on technical topics. Nevertheless, since this is a contested move, a full RM seems appropriate. Dalziel 86 (talk) 23:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Kim Bảng town → Kim Bảng (currently a redirect back to Kim Bảng town) (move · discuss) – Pages about Vietnamese towns typically do not include the suffix "town" at the end of their names. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Khanh Nguyen Move history shows it was named a district before, and it is listed in Category:Districts of Hà Nam province, so why town instead of district? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bunnypranav: this article is being moved away from a title with "town" in it. The proposed title would not have town or district. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Mộc Châu town → Mộc Châu (currently a redirect back to Mộc Châu town) (move · discuss) – Pages about Vietnamese towns typically do not include the suffix "town" at the end of their names. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Khanh Nguyen Same as above, (please ping on reply) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Operation Kilshon → Operation Pitchfork (currently a redirect back to Operation Kilshon) (move · discuss) – Move to common name in English, as abundant in sources – https://www.google.com/search?udm=36&q=%22operation+pitchfork%22 – and away from the current wiki-invented bilingual mash-up of a title Iskandar323 (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Iskandar323 Both names seem to be used in books, but news articles and general google searches show results for Kilshon, not Pitchfork. Full RM might be needed for more comments. (please ping on reply) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• KN-06 → Pongae-5 (currently a redirect back to KN-06) (move · discuss) – Official North Korean designation. The new title is currently a redirect. TCU9999 (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@TCU9999 Not uncontroversial. Our titles follow the common name used in sources, not the official name. It looks like most sources cited by the article use the "KN-06" name. Toadspike 17:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• KN-02 Toksa → Hwasong-11 (currently a redirect back to KN-02 Toksa) (move · discuss) – Official North Korean designation. The new title is currently a redirect. TCU9999 (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@TCU9999 Same as above, refs show common name to be the current title. TCU9999, please open an RM if you still think these should be moved. Toadspike 17:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• KN-19 → Kumsong-3 (currently a redirect instead to Kh-35) (move · discuss) – Official North Korean designation. The new title is currently a redirect. TCU9999 (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• R (L) v Comr of Police of the Metropolis → R (L) v Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis (currently a redirect back to R (L) v Comr of Police of the Metropolis) (move · discuss) – Unnecessary abbreviation. Hairy Dude (talk) 17:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Hairy Dude This page has a fairly lengthy move history; the most recent move summary was "since case is post-2000, this is indeed the correct format per OSCOLA". I'm going to contest this and suggest you go through a full move discussion if you still think this move should happen. Toadspike 18:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Chyah airstrike → 2006 Shiyyah airstrike (currently a redirect back to Chyah airstrike) (move · discuss) – Dating title per WP:NCWWW and defaulting place name spelling to both common usage and the standardised in-wiki style for Arabic transliteration Iskandar323 (talk) 13:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Iskandar323 While I agree with the spelling change based on the sources cited in the article, this page has been moved nine times already, including from "2006 Shiyyah airstrike" to "Shiyyah airstrike" (with the reason "per convention of removing year") and then to "Chyah airstrike". This means this request is not uncontroversial and must go through a full move discussion. Toadspike 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  Ok, didn't realise. Just checked the talk and saw no discussions. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Muwatta Imam Malik → Al-Muwatta (currently a redirect back to Muwatta Imam Malik) (move · discuss) – The work has a shorter, just as precise colloquial and more common form that is actually more likely to be recognised as the name of a work, rather than potentially be confused with the name of an individual. I went to move this myself, but was inhibited for some technical reason. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Iskandar323 Not uncontroversial, previously moved in opposite direction . Toadspike 18:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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