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| == ] == | |||
| ] is clashing with many of the top-right-corner icons for anons at the moment (see the thread linked in the section title for details). So it probably needs to be moved to the left. Per discussion in that thread, I'm taking the matter here for dicussion. --] 10:08, 26 February 2007 (]]]) | |||
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| == hello == | |||
| i am wondering how to read articles on technical thing | |||
| thanks much i am pleased ur support | |||
| :For technical information about Misplaced Pages and MediaWiki, ] and ] may be good starting points. --] 18:39, 19 March 2007 (]]]) | |||
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| == "Send new password" problems == | |||
| <small>Shocker: I'm sorry for editing this post, but</small> there is a problem with the "Send new Password" function. I forgot my password, chose "Send new password", it said I'll get my password via email but I didn't. It's been 3 days now, I tried a couple of times to ask for a new password, but I don't get any email :\ <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 14:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small> | |||
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| == How do I lock my Wikia from editing? == | |||
| I have a scratchpad wikia wiki that is getting vandalized a lot. How do I lock all pages from non-admin editing? It's not easy to do, b/c wikis are meant for editing, but in my case I have to. How to do it? | |||
| Thanks for helping me w/ a question unrelated to Misplaced Pages.] 08:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :If you're an admin there, you can protect all of the pages (or semiprotect them, which prevents anonymous and newly registered users from editing them). Or if you're a developer... well, that seems a bit extreme. So, if you're not an admin, there's probably not much you can do, sorry, besides reversion. ]<sup>]</sup> § 17:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::These guys should be able to help ]. --] (]) 07:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Corrected number of articles == | |||
| ] states ''"The automatic definition used by the software at Special:Statistics is: any page that is in the article namespace, is not a redirect page and contains at least one wiki link. The statistics software currently has no method of detecting disambiguation pages..."'' I assume it uses the text <nowiki>#REDIRECT</nowiki> to discriminate redirect pages; is there not some simple way the software could be taught to recognise {{tl|disambig}} or ]? This seems like a very easy thing to fix, why isn't it already there? Although, it will suddenly and dramatically reduce the article count, which may be difficult to explain... — <font face="Verdana">''']''' <small>· ] · 14:56, Monday, 2 April 2007</small></font> | |||
| :It's a problem of what's efficient, not what's possible. Redirects are actually stored differently from ordinary pages in the database, so that the software can tell them apart trivially; the software can recognize disambiguation pages using the list in ], but couldn't check every page in a resonably efficient manner. There has been a feature request (]) for disambiguation pages to be more cheaply distinguishable from ordinary pages, but for the time being it would be too much load on the servers to remove dab pages from the article count. --] 15:03, 2 April 2007 (]]]) | |||
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| == Orange warning bar not showing up on IP talk page? == | |||
| Has anybody else experienced this problem? A message posted to an IP talk page may not necessarily be received by the user. Some IPs experience it as the fact that the orange bar is '''stuck''' and won't clear out. Others have experienced it as the "new messages" notification '''does not show up''' no matter how many warnings are posted or if the cache is cleared. See ] & ] for more details. -- ] ] 01:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I had the orange bar stuck problem while I was temporarily an anon way back in Jan or Feb. It took perhaps 20 mins or so (can't really remember to be honest but it was a fair while) for it to disappear after I had visited the message. Purging etc didn't help nor was it cache related. There was at least one other report at the time ] 10:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::My problem is that they do not show up for me under a IP address. -- ] ] | |||
| :::This is . ] <sup>]</sup> 02:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Has anybody else experienced this problem? I think that this is a major problem that is affecting ''many'' IP addresses. Please reply if somebody else has a similar problem with the "New Messages" bar. -- ] ] 03:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::It affects '''all''' IP addresses, and has been doing so since January--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>]</sup> 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Template clash == | |||
| Currently, {{t1|featured article}} and {{t1|sprotected2}} both put their symbol right in the upper right corner of the screen. They clash with eash other if a page has both, such as ]. Should one of these be changed? ]<font color = "red">]</font> 00:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I've brought this issue up before on the relevant talk pages. My proposed solution was to create a single template that would accept as parameters the names of other templates, and would then space the images appropriately, rather than having many different templates use absolute values. This, of course, would require quite a bit of work to implement. There are some disputes going on at some of the protection templates right now, so it'd be pretty much impossible to get a word in edgewise regarding this problem. The three most common corner templates (spoken, fa, and sprotect2) used to be at different positions until the latest protection template changes. --- ] 01:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Administrators editing signatures == | |||
| I always thought it'd be good if (somehow) administrators could edit people's signatures, so we could deal with blatant violators of ]. Perhaps something like ]? Just a thought. --] ] 01:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Tony Sidaway had had a ] because he edited signatures everywhere. Apparently, some agreed that in certain situations was fine, but many others rejected the idea. But, in trhuth, I don't think this is really necessary. -- ] 02:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :That's what user talk pages are for. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 17:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Something needs to be done, to stop people producing signatures that are eiether unreadable, comprised of deprecated HTML, or both. ] 17:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I agree, but that "something" should start with talking to the problem editor. You don't need to be an administrator to leave a note on someone's talk page (well, if it's protected you do, but you get my point). ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 18:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, I would propose we amend ] to deal with the specifics of exactly when administrators should edit people's signatures, for example, only if the user was asked politely first. I wouldn't suggest we add this feature and not impliment no set of rules dictating when it can be used. I don't think it'd be abused. If we implimented guidelines on when to use it, would you agree with the software addition? --] ] 19:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I'd agree with it, personally, but there would have to be strict policy about its use, and possibly a log. You're just changing a variable in a database somewhere, as far as I'm aware. ]<sup>]</sup> § 20:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Good idea; guidelines should be set down. Asking a user to change their signature before changing it without their knowledge is better than just changing someone's signature without them being given a chance to change it. ] 20:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I think that's getting a bit ]. Is there a specific instance where a user has been told by another editor (on their talk page) that their signature was disruptive and they ignored it, to the detriment of the community? You're talking about a largely cosmetic issue; personally, I dislike sigs that have super- and sub-scripts in them, as they distort the line spacing; is that a blockable offense? What about my own signature; is the ☯ offensive to someone? Is someone using a <font> tag instead of a <span> tag going to bring about the end of the encyclopedia; is using full color notation (ie: #336666) as opposed to simplified color declarations (ie: #366) causing people to leave the project? Should someone be banned indefinitely from the site for using the <blink> tag?<br />Well, the answer to that last question is "yes", but my point still stands: we've got a solution and we're looking for a problem. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 21:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::It's a ''problem'' I've been addressing, albeit on a small scale, for a couple of years. ] 21:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::A few days ago I asked {{user|TomasBat}} to change his excessively long signature. He asked me if he *had* to, and I reluctantly said no. Apparently he didn't get the hint that he ''should'', so there should be a way for us admins to give him the hint. Threats of blocking make no sense, so ] is a great idea. It would've prevented the whole -Ril- mess, too. ] 21:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Yes, my thoughts exactly. We'd, of course, also need something that prevents people from changing their signature back too though, since otherwise our changes could be undone, if the user just refuses to accept it. Maybe just ], then, which resets the signature to it's default when the account was created? --] ] 21:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::It probably won't be that useful to prevent someone from changing back their signature, since they could just paste in their (unacceptable) signature manually for each comment they make, if they really want to. ] ] 21:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::True, and putting in a guideline that says that users shouldn't paste it back in could create instruction-creep; an issue we want to avoid. ] 22:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :If done, I'd absolutely want some log of who changed what, and when, along with some strict guidelines about when sigs can or can't be edited. By the end of the day, it may be easier to implement some technical restrictions (on images, or perhaps length, for example). If the goal is to avoid useless cluttered code when editing talk pages, then a character limit length would seem to address a large portion of the problem, no? – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 22:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Restrictions would not really work, anyone can just paste a long signature if necessary (after all, I type the four tildes myself everytime I sign). Maybe we should start a ] to report extremely long signatures ;-) -- ] 22:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Another problem with restricting long signatures is that if that kind of change was made to the software, the existing long signatures would need to be automatically removed through an SQL query which could use up a lot of memory, and additionally, what would they be changed to? If they were just truncated, that could make the html invalid, whilst simply resetting them to the default value could upset a lot of users. As for the 'signature change log', it would only really make sense if users' changes to their own signature are logged as well. ] ] 22:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Such a tool would very likely be problematic especially if adminstrators sharing the POV of someone like ] were to have access to it. Sidaway changes ''all signatures'' indiscriminately and given the number of times he is called to task about that on his talk page, ''doing that is disruptive''. Who's going to be making the judgement call? I don't appreciate my signature being altered and I especially wouldn't appreciate the altering of signatures enmasse by some power tripping adminstrator with a tool like this. There is a long tradition on the project for upstanding and highly contributory users to utilize distinctive signatures to better identify themselves and the commentary they make, this thinking goes counter to that tradition and is likely to alienate these valuable folks. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 00:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I would just observe anyone alienated by changes to their signature wouldn't seem to have all that deep of a commitment to the project. Also, a limit on the length of signatures can easily be enforced by simply not allowing anyone to change their signature to one longer than the prescribed limit. No need to change all the existing long signatures, eventually they will be weeded out. —] 01:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Is ] not a deep enough commiment to the project Doug Bell? I agree that there are signatures that are too long and or too garish (literally I've seen signatures that due to their high contrast nature have <span style="background: green; color: red;">interrupted</span> a given talk discussion) but as others have said here, the best way to address this is through discussion with the concerned user. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 01:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I wasn't directing the comment at you, but rather at anyone that would become alienated (i.e. significantly disturbed as to impact their participation in the project) by a change to their signature. I'm not assuming that characterization applies to you. —] 06:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: It does come off as incredibly disrespectful. Remember we're volunteers here - if we feel a lack of respect, or believe our contributions are not welcome, we can quit at any time. ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 03:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Not possible. I can set my signature to <nowiki>{{subst:User:ReyBrujo/sg}}</nowiki>, and have all the HTML code I want at that subpage. -- ] 01:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I've got two thaughts on this. 1) this is to much ]. If someone's signature is disruptive, blocking is available. 2)Enabling the other extreme (e.g. ]) would allow for this, as well as assiting users with other preerences related challanges. This would need to be resticted to sysops and the email settings should probally be left alone. — ] <sup>]</sup> 04:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Questions: | |||
| # How would this be an improvement to the encyclopedia? | |||
| # How is this not just another attempt at an administrative power grab over editors? | |||
| # With administrators now busying themselves making sure everyone's sig is perfect, how will they have time to create and edit articles? | |||
| # Does Deskana understand the ill-will this will engender in those editors who have their well crafted sigs edited, or is he simply that callous that he doesn't care? | |||
| <span style="font-family:Papyrus; letter-spacing:-1.2px;font-weight:normal; background:#F0F8FF;white-space:nowrap;cursor:help;">—] (] <small>•</small> ]) 20:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)</span> | |||
| :To address #3: a ''lot'' of administrators don't contribute to article creation, and focus more on the "nuts and bolts" of running Misplaced Pages. I don't see this as a bad thing (I, for one, have ''never'' created an article from scratch). At most, I think it would be administrators watching a noticeboard (maybe just using ] so it wouldn't be a new board) and addressing issues as they come up; to suggest that policing sigs would somehow significantly impact an admin's workload is a bit silly, in my opinion. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 23:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| === Suggested solutions === | |||
| I'm sure that these have been suggested previously, but how about just: | |||
| *disallow images in signatures (this should be a no-brainer especially with the recent clarification from the board). Also consider that we ''still'' have people putting fair use images in userboxes, having to go and clean up such signatures, would be needless work that just shouldn't be necessary. One can be creative and unique without an image. | |||
| * disallow transclusion of pages in a signature (Honestly, I thought that that was already disallowed...) | |||
| * set a shorter length. Yes, a user "could" then paste the signature, and there is no reason to set an actual "rule" against it (I '''''really''''' don't want to find that we have editors sitting there counting characters in a signature...), however, just removing the "convenience" of the "extreme" lengths should be enough to cut down on thoughtlessly long signatures. I've seen quite a bit of discussion about how to concatenate/shorten lengths, and I think that this would just add an extra "suggestion", without having "instruction creep" of requirements. | |||
| Hope this helps. Interested in further discussion, obviously : ) - ] 00:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Moving a category == | |||
| Why can't categories be moved?? Surely the developers should make them movable?? I can understand images not being like this, but categories... --] 15:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Moving a category would involve changing all the inclusions to it on all pages that it contains. Such moves are done by bot (see ]). --] 16:39, 1 April 2007 (]]]) | |||
| ::I still don't understand. Why couldn't there be redirect similar to an article being moved? --] 19:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Image resize quality == | |||
| I uploaded an image (click on the thumbnail): ] | |||
| What I notice is that the resized version (800x530) shown on the image's page looks very unsharp. (If you look at the original size, you will see that it is quite sharp.) As a test, I uploaded the same image to my Flickr account. The resizing algorithm there seems to do a much better job. See: | |||
| or | |||
| (the wikipedia size is in between these two sizes). | |||
| Does anybody else notice this effect? It doesn't look like a JPEG artifact, but maybe a poor resizing algorithm. ] 06:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Looks like an ] was used on the Flickr versions. I downloaded your ] original, resampled this to 1024*678 and took the arithmetic difference with the Flickr version. The outline of the edges are clearly visible. Especially on a large zoom of the lighthouse antenna/], So, can’t really blame the resizing algorithm, unless you expect an image filter to go standard along with it.. --] 09:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Fair enough. It doesn't surprise me that Flickr does some processing. Thanks for your efforts. ] 10:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, Flickr does some sharpening on resized images; we don't currently do that but have considered adding it, as a slight sharpening generally increases perceived quality. --] 18:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Any pointers on how one might insert an extra sharpening step into the rendering performed on a private Mediawiki site? ] 02:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I would find the code that calls the "convert" program, and change it's command line. It is all ] based. <small>]<sup>(Need help? ])</sup></small> 02:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == How to delete wikipedia accounts. == | |||
| ::hay i just want to know how to delete an account on wikipedia? | |||
| thx for your time. | |||
| :By the ], we can't delete accounts. You can request deletion of your userpage ({{]}}) and stop editing. Might also want to see ]. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">] ]</span> 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Issue with ] == | |||
| For some reason, the {{tl|protected title}} template (used at ]) is now applying cascading protection to existent templates listed in this manner, despite the fact that they clearly aren't transcluded (but MediaWiki reports that they are): ]<br /> | |||
| I'm baffled as to why this is occurring, and I was unable to duplicate this result by manually adding an ordinary link to a cascade-protected page (which is all that should be happening and all that appears to be happening). Can anyone figure out what's going on? —] 14:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :See {{h:mlm|ParserFunctions|Code_execution}}.--] 15:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm still a bit confused. Why would this only affect templates (and not other pages)? —] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::It is about side-effects of wikitext processing, other than rendering the page; it also affects the link table.--] 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::What I don't understand is why this doesn't cause existent pages other than templates (articles, etc) to be protected. —] 16:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Do you have an example? It seems they are protected too.--] 16:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Oh, wow. You're right. When I tested this earlier, the article that I selected at random (]) happened to be semi-protected, and this condition apparently prevents the cascading protection message from appearing when a sysop attempts to edit the page. | |||
| ::::::I'm nearly certain that this bug manifestation didn't exist when I created ] (and was introduced in a subsequent MediaWiki revision). It isn't a big deal, but it should be addressed (if possible). —] 17:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm not quite clear on what needs to be done to change this behavior. —] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::From the linked text: | |||
| :::put the whole parser function call inside the braces or brackets, e.g. <nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|b}} | ''parameters'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{a|</nowiki>''parameters''}} | <nowiki>{{</nowiki>b |''parameters''}} }}. If there is no else-part a dummy template such as {{tim|x0}} can be used:<nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|x0}} | ''parameters'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{</nowiki>a|''parameters''}} }}. If the parameters of a and b are not the same the parser function can be split up into one for the then-part, and one with inverse condition with the else-part becoming then-part (or the same condition and only an else-part): <nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|x0}} | ''parameters of a'' }}<nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|x0|b}} | ''parameters of b'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{a|</nowiki>''parameters of a''}} | <nowiki>{{</nowiki>b |''parameters of b''}} }}. | |||
| :::I think that can be applied here too.--] 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yes, I read that suggestion, but I'm not quite clear on how to implement it. Any assistance that you can provide would be much appreciated. —] 16:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Has a bug report been filed? —] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Not that I know of. It may not be so easy to change, it is how parser functions are processed: by first processing the parameters (including noting that a page is transcluded, for, among other things, the purpose of cascading protection), and then applying the parser function itself (such as discarding the included template if the condition is false).--] 16:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| For the record, Patrick devised a clever coding solution. Thanks again, Patrick! —] 18:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == HTML color == | |||
| What is the ] of the blue links? —] (] • ]) 14:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Looks like rgb(0,43,184) to me. In hexadecimal, that would be #002BB8. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">] ]</span> 15:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks! —] (] • ]) 15:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == IT Jargon in disambig page == | |||
| Can a few editors familiar with IT jargon check out the third item listed in ], and improve or delete it if inappropriate. It not only has no links, the last part of it is really making no sense to me whatever other than as a signature. "PM" should be Preventive maintenance, if I'm parsing it right at all, but it's all buzz words as written. // <b>]</b><font color="green">]</font> 15:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Appears to be nonsense, added by a user with a past history of vandalism - couldn't find anything informative on Google. I've deleted the information and put the template in the correct place. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">] ]</span> 15:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Another Watchlist Problem. == | |||
| I don't seem to be able to access my watchlist at all. Every time I go into it, it comes up with an error. Does anyone else have this problem? ] 18:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : Yes, see same problem. Also see job queue at 1.4 million and increasing. ] 18:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: Interesting; the job queue length has caused a lot of watchlist problems recently. ] 18:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I was having problems with it along the lines of what has been said, but now it appears to be working again. Strange. --''']]''' 18:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Indeed, it's working again. It seems the watchlist problems last for up to half an hour at most (by my experience) to as short as a few minutes. ] 18:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Again. 2nd day running? ] 22:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :And now that it has come up it is 20 minutes behind present amazingly. ] 22:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Then not loading again. ] 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::It has been working for me again, except now it is suddenly over 5 hours behind. What is wrong this time with it? Anyone else having this sudden problem? --''']]''' 04:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Yes, see ] ] 04:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == How to add article to category by a different name == | |||
| Is there a way to add an article to a category but have it under a different name (on the category page) then the name of the article? | |||
| --] 19:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :If you mean an alias, I don't think so. If you meant to have it indexed differently, yes. <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code> places the entry as one would expect for a person named ''first last''. —] 19:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| So I set it on the article page? Is there any other fuctions I can change when appying the category tag?--] 19:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, it goes on the article page. If you edit some category pages, you'll see that most are empty, except to make the category a subcategory. The category is "filled" by references from articles—kinda backward from normal. If you can follow that, you'll have got it. | |||
| :Another category feature is the <code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}</nowiki></code> magic word (even though it looks like a template call, it is processed directly by the wiki code). It makes the parameter the default index of all the categories, so each doesn't have to redundantly list the altered key value. See the wikitext at the bottom of ] for a good example. —] 20:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It is also possible to create a redirect to the article from the alternate name and place the category on the redirect. But that really should only be done where having the article under the actual title might cause confusion if it were in the category (as, for example, can sometimes happen when merging stubs into a main article). ] ≠ ] 21:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Lower case first letters == | |||
| Congratulations on getting around the capital first letter issue. It looks a bit jury-rigged (it displays the upper case title, i.e. Will.i.am, for a moment before switching, and the URL is still Will.i.am), but it works! :D ] 22:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It's done with javascript, so that only happens after the page loads. ]<sup>]</sup> § 04:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Wanted categories problem == | |||
| There are quite a few categories listed at ] that have been empty for months, but still show up even after the page is updated (e.g. Pages on votes for deletion, Historical stubs). Is there a way to force these off the list? --- ] 00:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Job queue == | |||
| The ] is over 2 million. Isn't that sort of high? -- <i>] <sup>]</sup></i> 03:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Not really, and it's likely the result of an edit in a high-use template (maybe a cite template?). ] 09:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::(cringes) - Well, at least part of it could be as a result of cleaning up user categories. I've been going through the userboxes and removing parent cats (essentially duplicative cats) from the programming/OS userboxes. ''Many'' of them did not use includeonly/noinclude, and often a userbox would add the transcluder to several cats. For example, if you have bas-3 on your userpage, you would have been added to bas-3, bas, and Wikipedian programmers. I've been removing the latter two as parent cats. I also removed the OS category from the userbox per ]. (It's ''still'' not depopulated, after a few days...) Even so, I don't think that those actions would equal even close to a 20 thousand, much less, 2 million? - ] 10:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Oh, and ] has been merged, and it's also a fairly good sized cat... Anyone else out there been fixing/altering templates? : ) - ] 10:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I edited some templates yesterday, including {{tl|birth date and age}}. Any idea how long the queue would take to clear if there were no new additions at all? There is a request to edit {{tl|fact}}, which would add quite a lot. ] · <small>]</small> 13:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I wouldn't worry about it, and go right ahead and perform the changes that are requested. The developers will step in if there are any problems, see ]. ] 15:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Right, it shouldn't hurt performance, but it might frustrate people who are changing categories on templates to wait a week before the job queue gets to the articles that use the template. There is a related ] that seems to suggest 2 million is higher than normal. ] · <small>]</small> 16:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| As I understand it, the reason for the job-queue remaining so full is that the server which would normally be servicing it is busy performing some rather massive updates to the database schema which are keeping it busy. | |||
| This should be finished within a few days when normal service will be resumed. | |||
| HTH HAND —] | ] 09:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks. I had the distinct impression that it wasn't going down. Is there a noticeboard somewhere with information like this? ] · <small>]</small> 10:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::There's the , but the information there is very technical (it's directed at the other developers); there's also the channel topic for . However, most of the time, the information comes from lurking on #wikimedia-tech. --] 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Combined-category filtering == | |||
| It occurred to me recently that it would be useful to have a tool, for non-technical users, whereby articles in two specified categories could be listed; for instance "all articles in category:Birmingham also in Category:articles needing cleanup" or "all articles in category: living people also in category:people from Birmingham". I have no idea how this might be achieved, not the skills to implement it,. Anyone interested? ] 07:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Try ]. It may have a problem with ] because it's so large; I tried an intersect of ] with that and it died on me after a few minutes.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">]</font> 08:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::] has a list comparer function, where you can load the articles in two categories (or from what links here and others) and find which are in both, one or the other. It will take ages to load large categories though. You could try scanning the ] offline for large categories, although the data might be slightly out of date. ]] 10:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == More on sortable tables == | |||
| Ongoing discussion at ]. --] 13:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Search result lisitings... == | |||
| I notice that often when I search for something, several pages of results come back. However when I click on one of the page numbers or the "Next »" link, often it takes me to a generic "no results" page. For instance try searching for "fromthe". Currently four pages are returned but only the first seems to display. What's going on here? Is this a Misplaced Pages problem or a Mediawiki problem? No problem? ] 17:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I think what's happening is you're searching in only one or a few namespaces, but it still gives the total number of results in all namespaces. Checking all the checkboxes beside the namespaces gives all 4 pages of results. –] 18:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you, Pomte. It appears you are correct that it is a namespace thing. The question now becomes is this behavior that is best? I think it is certainly confusing the way it is. ] 21:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Error on selecting 'Save page' (Vista) == | |||
| My new Vista-based PC is set up with multiple accounts – one for each of the family, plus one admin account. On accounts where Parental Controls have been enabled, I am seeing a problem when trying to save an edited page. | |||
| When 'Save page' is pressed, the updated page is not displayed. Instead, I get an essentially blank page saying the following: | |||
| Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage <BR><BR> | |||
| Most likely causes: | |||
| - You are not connected to the Internet. | |||
| - The website is encountering problems. | |||
| - There might be a typing error in the address. | |||
| The URL in the address bar is unchanged (it still ends 'submit'), but clicking 'Refresh' clears the error page and reloads the article page in edit mode. ''(This confused me for a while, until I realised that my previous edits HAD been accepted, and I had re-opened the saved page for a further edit.)'' | |||
| The problem is NOT caused by a page filter, as my account does not have any URL restrictions enabled. (My account has a time restriction set, to disable access at midnight in a desperate attempt to stop me editing WP late into the night :o( ). Disabling all restrictions and restarting the account cleared the problem, but re-enabling the time limit restriction brought the error back again. I never see the problem in my admin account, but see it 100% in restricted accounts. | |||
| The problem applies to both WP and 'Commons'. | |||
| * So, any ideas? | |||
| * Is it purely a Vista problem? | |||
| * Were the WP tecchies aware of it? | |||
| * Is there anything I can do to avoid the problem, short of disabling the restrictions? | |||
| ] 19:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :The problem hasn't been reported to the bug tracker yet, as far as I can see; you can file a bug report at ]. I can't think of any solutions to this (maybe someone else at VPT can?). I suspect it's a Vista problem, or it would probably have been noticed before now. --] 11:59, 5 April 2007 (]]]) | |||
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| == Toyota Prius page layout is messed up on Firefox == | |||
| The layout of the Toyota Prius page is bad on Firefox 2.0.0.3 on Windows XP. | |||
| Looks okay on IE. The left column with the menus is missing and | |||
| the menus are scattered over the left side of the text. ] 20:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I think I fixed it by closing the table used in the article. Is it fixed now? --] 22:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == GNU/Linux Naming Controversy FAR == | |||
| Can somebody figure out how to list ] for FAR and move my justification from the talk page? I have no idea what I'm doing. ] 22:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :See ]. If you have any questions, let me know below. Cheers. --] 22:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: Yes, I tried to follow those guidelines, adding the FAR tag apparently doesn't work because of the slash in the page name. ] 20:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Never mind, I did not know I had to create the page. ] 20:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Tab Priority/Position == | |||
| I understand why focus isn't given to the search box on the ] (yes, I read ])....but how about putting focus on the item (or some other "placeholder") just prior to the Search box. Or perhaps giving the Search box a higher tab priority/index. Currently, one must Tab through nearly every hyperlink on the page before the cursor finally gets around to the Search box. | |||
| By adjusting the tab priority of the search box and/or the initial tab position of the cursor, one could still use the arrow keys to function as expected, and would only require a single 'TAB' to move it to the search box. (Incidentally, if the focus were in the Search box, the same action would allow the arrow keys to work...just "Tab" out of it.) It just doesn't make sense that the page requires a user to move his/her hand back to the mouse, click the search box, then move his/her hand back to the keyboard to perform a search. This could all be simplified with proper tab priority/position when the page loads. ++Arx Fortis 07:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :The ] attribute is set on that element, to "f" (see also ]). You can also put something in your personal to set focus right on it, like: | |||
| addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchInput').focus(); return false;}); | |||
| :Or you could set the tabindex to 1 (note that diff pages, edit pages and other such pages already have an element with a tabindex="1" attribute, so you'd either have to except them or accept them): | |||
| addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchInput').tabIndex='1'; return false;;}); | |||
| :--] (]) 07:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::The Search access key in Firefox requires CTRL-ALT-F. That's an awkward combo for a fairly routine task. I doubt most users know they have a user.js....much less how to edit one. I still haven't heard a good reason why the tab index can't be changed to make search #2. ++] 13:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == category weirdness == | |||
| Can someone help me figure out why ] isn't showing up in ]? <span style="white-space: nowrap">— ]]</span> — 01:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It probably has something to do with the ] being at ]. --] 01:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::46 hours after it was tagged for speedy? I've seen other categories get tagged and untagged in the meantime, which did show up in the parent category. Doesn't make sense... <span style="white-space: nowrap">— ]]</span> — 02:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Edit tabs == | |||
| How do you remove the links that show up on the right from within a page? ] 09:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :] -> Editing -> Enable section editing via links (first checkbox). –] 10:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::For a specific article add: <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> (see: ]). --] 10:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thank you! ] 10:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == ] not working == | |||
| It seems that {{tl|Link GA}} fails to work properly. For example, after I added <nowiki>{{Link GA|zh}}</nowiki> to , the GA icon doesn't show up in the part of the interwiki links. However, {{tl|Link FA}} is fine at the moment. -- ] 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Did it ever work? The reason that {{tl|Link FA}} works is because of supporting JavaScript in the <code>linkFA</code> function in ] and a CSS definition for <code>li.FA</code> in ]. ] 05:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It looks like there is a bullet image for this purpose already at ]. I've also created ], which is a downsized version of ]. The resulting lists would look something like this: | |||
| ;] | |||
| <div style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.25em; margin-bottom: 1.2em"> | |||
| <div><span style="vertical-align: top">]</span> ]</div> | |||
| <div><span style="vertical-align: top">]</span> ]</div> | |||
| <div><span style="vertical-align: top">]</span> ]</div> | |||
| </div> | |||
| ;] | |||
| <div style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.25em"> | |||
| <div><span style="vertical-align: top">]</span> ]</div> | |||
| <div><span style="vertical-align: top">]</span> ]</div> | |||
| <div><span style="vertical-align: top">]</span> ]</div> | |||
| </div> | |||
| I had to fake this since the HTML filter for Misplaced Pages strips out the "style" element on <code><nowiki><li></nowiki></code> tags. If there is support for this change, ] would be the one to ask about getting it done since he maintains the {{tl|Link FA}} support. ] 05:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : I believe this has already been rejected in the past (at least we chose not to mark our own GAs with an icon at the top, why would we then try to draw attention to GAs in other languages?) —'']'' 09:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::But the fact is that this template is used in several language versions already. If English Misplaced Pages decides not to use it, please delete this template, and also lock this title, so that noone else, who doesn't know such policy, would be able to create it again. -- ] 06:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Hit Counter? == | |||
| Is there any way to add a hit counter to a Misplaced Pages user Page? | |||
| Thanx, | |||
| ] 16:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :] ] ] 16:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanx. | |||
| ] 01:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == The Watchlist Again. == | |||
| I assume everyone's watchlists are playing up again? I believe this is the third day in row we've had this? ] 23:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Nah, I hasn't been 3 days. This is the first day my watchlist is having problems. I can navigate around WP just fine...--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 23:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Same here. Any idea as to what's going on? ] 23:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I can navigate Misplaced Pages perfectly, but this is the third time this has happened within 72 hours. If you read some of the above posts you'll see this is a continually occuring problem at the moment. Some users think it's the job queue length. ] 23:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::OK, thanks. ] 23:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I was just about to report this (: <small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>]</sup> 23:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I'm glad it's not just one user who's affected; by the fact all users are probably affected means that there is a problem somewhere that needs fixing. ] 23:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :They seem to be working again now. <font color="maroon">]</font>'''<small>]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">]</font>''''' 23:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I was just about to say that. Thanks. :) ] 23:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Is there a place where there's up to date statuses about Misplaced Pages? There should be a place to report this stuff and to actually ''know'' what's going on. --''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 23:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Besides this page, where answers may be slow, the best I can think of is the #wikimedia-tech ] channel. Thats where the developers and other tech people tend to hang out. <font color="maroon">]</font>'''<small>]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">]</font>''''' 02:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Right now, the watchlist is "working" but is only reporting edits that are about four hours old. ] 04:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It's essentially useless with 4 hour edits. ] 04:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It seems to be catching up now... slowly... --- ] 05:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This lag is incredibly annoying - can't see the additions to ] on my watchlist meaning I have to actually check it! ]] 05:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Seems to be about 8 hours behind now. But this is the first time I've experienced it. <strong>] </strong>|<small>]</small> 05:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::8 hours? Mine is about 2:40! ]] 05:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::When my watchlist first fell behind, it was by about 5 hours. Now it has caught up to being about 2 and a half hours behind. Why have there been so many problems with watchlists lately? --''']]''' 05:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::No idea, but its happening again - 15 minutes behind atm. ]] 23:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::It is; and the contributions are updating slowly again as well. ] 23:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Wow, this time I didn't even notice until Viridae's edit finally showed up on my watchlist (I have this page on my watchlist). Lag: it's a terrible thing. --''']]''' 23:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::The lag is making vandalism fighting very tough. I also noticed that there is a problem with the font size in some pages. It was happening in my talk page and in other articles, like ] (scroll down). —] <sup>]</sup> 11:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::I fixed the font problem in ], which was caused by a missing close html tag for small. Since HTMLTidy has been upgraded on the Misplaced Pages servers (see message by Tim Starling below) tags don't get closed automatically anymore. ] 11:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Uha, thanks for notifying me of that. —] <sup>]</sup> 17:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Unknown exception in diff. == | |||
| I was cleaning up vandalism and came across . Up at the top left, it says "Unknown exception in diff". So, what's up? <span style="white-space: nowrap">— ]]</span> — 00:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I've noticed when you make an edit to a page but don't change anything, the revision doesn't appear to append itself to the history. In this case, both revisions are the same (no changes) but somehow got put into the history - my guess. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">] ]</span> 00:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::But they're not the same. If you look at the ranged diffs around that edit, it looks like <nowiki>]</nowiki> on line 25 was changed to <nowiki>]</nowiki>. –] 02:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hm, interesting; then I have no clue. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">] ]</span> 18:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Previewing == | |||
| Coming here from a suggestion in my post at the Help Desk ()... I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but lately for me the show preview button hasn't been working. After clicking the button, it refreshes back to the edit window without the preview above it, and only previewing the edit summary. I don't use the button much, but I was working with templates and inserting images the other day and it would have been handy. I disabled ] for a while (preview still didn't work) but logged out it worked fine. Any thoughts/suggestions/comments? I'm not too fussed about it not working, but it should, so... ''']''' <sup>''] | ]''</sup> 02:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It seems to be working fine for me. Do you have a browser problem or something? ] 02:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::No problems that I know of, everything else is working fine besides that button. ''']''' <sup>''] | ]''</sup> 02:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Here are some tests you may be able to try, which would help isolate the cause of the problem: | |||
| :::* Try another ] on your computer. | |||
| :::* Try logging into your Misplaced Pages account from someone else's computer. | |||
| :::* Make another (dummy) account and log into it from your computer. | |||
| :::Trying those tests could shed some light on whether the problem is in your account settings, or your browser or computer, etc. For example, if the problem always occurs in your account regardless of what computer or browser you are using, but it does not occur in the dummy account from your computer, then the problem is almost certainly in your account settings. Also, when you link to a post on the Help desk, your link will break when the Help desk page gets archived, unless you use a . --] 04:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == My user page == | |||
| Seems to have started displaying oddly today. Text in sections has become invisible, in Firefox and IE. Any ideas? --] 09:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : Past versions appear the same way. You don't have closing <nowiki></font></nowiki> tags after your headings e.g. ''Apologia''. –] 10:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's always worked fine until today, so I thought that maybe something has changed at the server end. I lack the skill to edit it; any help you can give me in that would be welcome. --] 10:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I've tried fixing the code. No warranty applies (grin). ] <sup>] / ]</sup> 10:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thank you so much for your work. I wonder (as the coding hadn't changed in ages) what made the site less error-tolerant overnight? Oh well, I don't understand such things; I am glad I brought it here. --] 10:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Are you using a different or upgraded browser than before? I've encountered a similar problem today: The entire bottom section was crossed out for 5 whole days without anyone seeming to notice. It was also an improper tag (<nowiki><s/> instead of </s></nowiki>) so I'm assuming that only some browsers manage to show these errors. Unless the site was autocorrecting and autoclosing tags for some reason, and just stopped. –] 11:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Both browsers I tried it with (Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Internet Explorer 7) displayed it correctly before. I wondered if something of the sort had happened. --] 11:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::See ] for what happened. --] 20:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :A couple of notes: | |||
| :*Tags should be closed in the opposite order they are placed (an example pulled from your page: it should be <nowiki><div style="whatever"><font tags="are evil">'''''Apologia'''''</font></div></nowiki> (close the font tag first, then the div). | |||
| :*Font tags, as I oh-so-subtly mentioned in the last example, shouldn't be used; the <nowiki><span></nowiki> (with a proper in-line CSS declaration) can apply the same effects without the odd inconstancies that they can introduce. | |||
| :*For that matter, the font tags aren't doing anything in those examples; you can easily put a "font-family" and "color" declaration into the div tag. | |||
| :That's all I spotted; I just took a very brief look at the page, though. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 13:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Technical problems when trying to revert vandalism == | |||
| I have several times tried to revert vandalism on the article ], and my edit is keep being blocked when I click save as it says I am spamming the page. As the vandalism removed half the page content and reverting it meant restoring the external links, and it is classing these legitimate external links as spam. Why is it doing this, and how can it detect which links are inapropriate and which are not? ] 15:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :That's probably the ]; take a look at the list to find which of the external links is causing the block, and do not restore it when reverting the page. --] 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == ] == | |||
| This page has been broken since early yesterday - refuses to display. What's up? - ] 17:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It always takes ages to load whenever I try and load it... presumably because there are so many protected pages and the content of the page is huge? Perhaps your browser just timed out? --] ] 17:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Actually it seems a bit broken. There's an entire section filled with stuff about the article ], which seems to be an error relating to ], and there's also a lot of stuff about the article ]. It seems a bit bugged out. Maybe we should contact the bot owner. --] ] 18:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::That is not a new problem, and it's not a bot problem; it's the ] getting hit. Just check the HTML source for the page; the parser outputs plenty of warnings hidden inside HTML comments. As to the slow loading, it's no surprise, given that the generated HTML for that page is over two '']s'' long, and that's ''without'' expanding a lot of the templates. --] 20:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I don't even get any HTML source - browser spins for two minutes and then a Wikimedia Foundation error page comes up. - ] 22:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I'm guessing that this page predates the category system? Perhaps it should be moved to categories. - ] 10:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == HTML Tidy? == | |||
| Nevermind, post moved to ]--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>]</sup> 18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Template not quite working? == | |||
| Here is a partial copy of post at ]: | |||
| {{cquote|''I was pecking away at the ] and noticed something. It seems about a quarter of the articles are listed alphabetically by their names and about three-quarters of the articles are listed under "T" as '''Talk:XXXX''', though all are shown as the Talk pages. I looked at the differences between the two and both types look identical with the '''<nowiki>{{NorthAmNative}}</nowiki>''' template in their Talk pages. Can anyone figure out why so many are being listed under "Talk"? Thanks. ] 05:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : I think I know part of what is going on here. When we have the '''<nowiki>{{NorthAmNative}}</nowiki>''' template alone in the '''Talk:''' page, it files the article under "T" for "Talk" but if there are multiple templates on the '''Talk:''' page, then it files the article under the article's name. This seems like an issue not of IPNA but with the Misplaced Pages system in general. I will take this question to the ] or the ] and ask there how to resolve this issue. ] 18:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)|17px|17px}} | |||
| Can anyone here tell me how to resolve this issue I stumbled across? Help appreciated. ] 18:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You don't have to do anything; just wait for the ] to catch up. The template was changed very recently, and it was not using <code><nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> before; what you are seeing is still the old categorization. --] 20:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Funny Formatting In The Article About Amber == | |||
| ] | |||
| The formatting in this article gets strange about 1/2 way down starting at "Amber Inclusions". Everything is italicized from that section down. I looked in the source in a number of different places but I didn't see any stray "italic" syntax. Can someone take a look at this and see what is going on? ] 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *See ]--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>]</sup> 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :*I've gone ahead and fixed the {{article|amber}} article, the problem was someone forgot to close a <nowiki></cite></nowiki> tag--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>]</sup> 20:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == American/British web page parser? == | |||
| Sorry if this is question has previously been asked, but is there a tool I can use that will look at a wikipedia article and search for words that are distinctive between the American and British versions of the English language? I.e. cookie in American, biscuit in British; potato chip in American, crisp in British; center in American, centre in British; and so forth. I need to be able to search a long page and look for potential intermixing of the two. Thank you! — ] (]) 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301136296" /> | |||
| == CURENTUSER template ? == | |||
| Hello. I there such a template wich replace by the current user name? I tryed : <code><nowiki>{{CURENTUSER}},{{CURENTUSER}}, {{USER}}, {{USERPAGE}}</nowiki></code>, {{Special:Mypage}}, {{Special:Mytalk}}... but and searched in help files but i didn't find a suitable one.<br> | |||
| It is for use in an input box such as : | |||
| <pre><nowiki><inputbox> | |||
| type=create | |||
| preload={{PAGENAME}}/Bookmark | |||
| break=no | |||
| prefix=User:{{CURENTUSER}}/Bookmarks/ | |||
| buttonlabel=New bookmark | |||
| </inputbox></nowiki></pre> | |||
| It is for a wikia project.<br> | |||
| Thanks by advance if you can help.--] 22:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :No, there's no such magicword. At a guess, it's because it wouldn't be able to be meaningfully cached by the ]. —] 00:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ok thanks. I will try to find another way to do it. If someone has an idea it would be welcomed ^-^--] 00:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I think that using <code>Special:Mypage/Bookmarks/</code> could work, but you'd have to be on a site that is using a version of ] that actually supports <code>prefix</code> to test that. The version installed on Misplaced Pages doesn't support it as far as I can tell; I'm not sure about Wikia. ] 00:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Wikia support prefix. Thanks, i'll give you the result of the test in a few minutes^-^--] 00:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::It works!!! Thank you very much Mike!!!--] 00:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301162216" /> | |||
| == Index.php query string == | |||
| Where can I find the sintax of the query string for <code>index.php</code>? | |||
| (For example, when I clicked for writing this post the URL was <code><nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/search/</nowiki>'''<nowiki>?title=Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_%28technical%29&action=edit§ion=new</nowiki>'''</code>.) | |||
| I would like to develop a web form for adding <nowiki>{{subst:uw-delete1}}</nowiki> and similar templates on User Talk pages, and for performing other task which require editing multiple pages. Some time ago I noticed somewhere that there was a <code>body</code> (or similar) parameter which allow filling the edition text area with a predefined value, but I would like to know the whole spectrum of possibilites. ] 04:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Try having a look at ].]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 07:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Oops, didn't notice you snuck in an edit there Titoxd. My fault for taking half an hour to type this ^_^. --] (]) | |||
| :The "''whole spectrum''" is pretty big, as each action and each Special page (as well as each extension Special page) can have its own unique parameters. Here is the best non-source-code (but incomplete) list you'll probably find: ]. However, these aren't specific to 'index.php' as that is basically the long form of the same URI (/ is just an available alias set by .htaccess or something). For example: . | |||
| :You can often have good luck finding usable URI parameter names by viewing the html. For example, on a delete page: <input type='text' size='60' name='wpReason' id='wpReason' value="" tabindex="1" /> | |||
| :The name in this case indicates the parameter, so for example you can use <code>&wpReason=some+reason</code> to preload a reason. However, sometimes you need to view the php source. The edit page () only seems to take 4 URI parameters: | |||
| # Get variables from query string :P | |||
| $section = $wgRequest->getVal( 'section' ); | |||
| $preload = $wgRequest->getVal( 'preload' ); | |||
| $undoafter = $wgRequest->getVal( 'undoafter' ); | |||
| $undo = $wgRequest->getVal( 'undo' ); | |||
| :The rest are all POST, as far as I can tell. But, what you ''can'' do, is use &preload=Some_Template§ion=new (because preload only works with new pages or new sections, and needs a template for 'preload'). | |||
| :What I've done before to circumvent this, is a bit of javascript (for example, see ]). You could write up a little script that would, with a properly formatted URI like say: <code>en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Splarka?action=edit&appendtext=%3D%3DSome+header%3D%3D%0A%0A%7B%7Bsubst%3Auw-delete1%7D%7D%0A&autosave=true</code> | |||
| :(I often use scripts like this to batch delete, batch move, batch block, and even batch upload files, with nothing more than Firefox)... one problem though, is it requires a user to edit their user js, unlike the preload above. | |||
| :Anyway, HTH. --] (]) 08:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301159936" /> | |||
| == ping delay problem == | |||
| Hi there, | |||
| I have a small problem in terms of networking. | |||
| I had a test setup consisting of two Cisco Routers and when I Ping from one Router to Another the delay time is being inconsitent. | |||
| This setup was setup in our office and when I try to ping from one Router the Average ping delay should be around 650mSec but it is surpassing the limit and even sometimes exceeding 700mSec , which is not acceptable by our Inspection Agency, all they want to clear the system is a very good reason for the cause of inconsistent ping delay as it is exceeding the Specification. | |||
| I would like someone to assist me in this regard at the earliest, for the product to get cleared. | |||
| Thank you | |||
| D.ravikanth | |||
| *The technical section of the village pump is used to discuss technical issues about Misplaced Pages. Maybe the reference desk can help. Good luck, ] 07:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301187896" /> | |||
| == Really confusing == | |||
| ] seems not to be isolated. Can anyone here comment? ] 15:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301216936" /> | |||
| == Monobook.js == | |||
| Does the monobook.js make my user account broken? I want to know. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Your monobook.js seems not to exist, and so it can't be broken. ] · <small>]</small> 23:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301252905" /> | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Do other people see this article as I do — with the line that's normally under the title actually going through it? If so, does anyone have any idea why this is happening? (If not, does anybody have any idea why ''I'm'' seeing it that way?) --] (]) 09:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| * I also see the line going through... may be because of the superscript? ] 10:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I assume so, but I can't see how to get rid of it; nothing shows up on the Move screen. --] (]) 23:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Looks fine to me. Try previewing the article after removing the {{tl|downsize}} line. This might be a reason to disallow tags like <nowiki><sup></nowiki> on the title line. –] 01:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks, that worked. I agree about superscript tags. --] (]) 09:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301278465" /> | |||
| == New messages bar == | |||
| My new messages bar has popped up at least 5 times in the last 20 minutes but I haven't been receiving new messages at all. What's wrong? ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 16:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It just happened to me too, while viewing a diff. ] 18:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: BTW, I forgot to mention that, it happens during diffs, and when I finish the revery, it still is there until you go to your talk. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 18:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, ''that'' function is happening as it is supposed to; the message appears until you view your talk page, no matter what. If it is still appearing ''after'' that, though, that would be a different problem. | |||
| :::Also, it might be that someone made a minor edit, but not a new post ''per se''; the system can't distinguish between the two, and so gives you a message no matter what. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 23:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::: There was no edit made at all. Or esle I won't be complaining. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :In my case, there hasn't been an edit to my talk page in the last 20 hours before the phantom message bar popped up. Not even a deleted edit in the revision history ...unless a revision was removed by ]. Would the new message flag remain in those cases? Anyone here with permissions to check the oversight log for ] and ]? Sounds unlikely though. (And no, it wasn't one of those fake practical joke messages on people's user pages, just to be clear.) Perhaps there was a major glitch in the synchronization of the server times, something like that. ] 12:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think that might be it; I know there have been a lot of strange time-delay glitches here lately, such as the contribs page being out of date and whatnot. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 16:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301309065" /> | |||
| == What happened?! == | |||
| All of a sudden, my scripts quit working. Any idea what's up? <b>]<font face="Vivaldi" size="3">]]</font></b> 00:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi. I seem to have had a similar problem. When I added new options of popups to my monobook, they didn't change anything. When I bypassed my cache, it stopped working altogether. When I removed it, it worked just fine. I guess some scripts are problematic. I might need some help with this too. Thanks. – ]]]]]<sup><font color="purple">(]+]+])</font>(<font color="blue"><small>+]+]</small></font>)</sup> 00:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I had this problem after a recent firefox upgrade, kicked up javascript option to off, try reseting that setting in your browser. — ] <sup>]</sup> 00:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301246305" /> | |||
| == wikimedia diff function == | |||
| I have several questions on diff program used for page historirs. | |||
| 1) Is the diff program specifically developed for wikipedia? | |||
| 2) Is it almost the same as the "dif" program under unix/linux? | |||
| 3) If it is different, what are the major differences? | |||
| 4) Is it obtainable from wikipedia or any other resource? | |||
| 5) Is there any technical paper on how to reimplement it? | |||
| Thanks, | |||
| Ramazan. | |||
| :I don't know, but if someone doesn't come along with an answer, perhaps you could look at the source. The database is available at ], but points to the frontend source at ], which says it's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikipedia/. I agree, it acts a lot like the Linux ] utility. —] 05:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::1) kind of, 2) no, 3) it makes HTML and does word-level diffs, 4) , . 5) Possibly, try an abstract search. It's based on a diff module from PhpWiki, which was based on a Perl module by Ned Konz (now obsolete), which was loosely based on GNU diffutils. Various features and optimisations were added along the way. See the comments in the source. -- ] 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301250085" /> | |||
| == Something wrong == | |||
| Something wrong with the colors in Misplaced Pages. In my userpage, some of the blue and black color texts was turned into white. And not even that. This part I took from ]'s sign. Previously it was green and now its blue. <sup>( <font color="#339966" face="Constantia">]</font>)</sup> Original version can found on ].----] ]</sup> 08:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301263285" /> | |||
| == SVG rendering with opaque background instead of transparent == | |||
| Could a developer look at and confirm whether it is a browser problem or wiki problem (and if it is the latter then hopefully fix it). Thanks in advance ] | ] 12:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301280745" /> | |||
| == Horizontal TOC == | |||
| Is there such a thing as a horizontal toc? I've looked a lot of places now - and I can't seem to find one, but I figure if anyone knew you guys would. One problem is I can't do this like a css type of thing - any user that comes has to see it horizontally. I was hoping for something like this (with less space in between words): | |||
| {| width="100%" style="border: 2px solid #999999; background:#CCCCCC; text-align:center; font-size: x-small" | |||
| |- | |||
| |style="text-align:center" colspan="4"|'''Table of Contents''' | |||
| |- | |||
| |width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Welcome to Misplaced Pages!</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Great Job on your First edit!</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Can I have your Opinion</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Your first barnstar</u></font> | |||
| |- | |||
| |width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>You have been elected to an admin position</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>You have been elected to the Jimbo position</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? WE'RE RUINED!</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Thanks to you I won't ever let people edit MY wiki again - Jimbo</u></font> | |||
| |} | |||
| Thanks for any help! {{Signed|Danielfolsom}} | |||
| : There are horizontal ones at ], but these are for long alphanumeric and similar lists. –] 16:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::What about this? | |||
| <pre><nowiki> | |||
| <div class="horizontal"> | |||
| __TOC__ | |||
| </div> | |||
| </nowiki></pre> | |||
| ::It's a new feature that's being worked out at the moment. --] 16:50, 8 April 2007 (]]]) | |||
| :::Wow - thanks for te quick response!<small>]]]</span></span></span></small> | |||
| :::You're lucky in the timing; that wouldn't have worked a week ago. There are still some problems with Internet Explorer 6 that need to be worked out. --] 17:05, 8 April 2007 (]]]) | |||
| <span id="63301283205" /> | |||
| == Watchlist customisations? == | |||
| Or, more specifically, is there any way to display the date on which each item was added to my watchlist? I would find this useful as a memory aid. ] ] 16:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't think that information's recorded by the server, so there'd be no way to display it (and ] confirms this). --] 16:48, 8 April 2007 (]]]) | |||
| :Oh well, thanks anyway. I wondered if that might be the case. Back to the notepad and pen! ] ] 16:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::You could add links to a user subpage. This way, your edit history will tell you when you added each link, and you can use Special:Recentchangeslinked as a pseudo-watchlist. –] 17:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::That's not a bad idea. Thanks. ] ] 17:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301285065" /> | |||
| == Link color Table == | |||
| Is there anyway to set the color of links for an entire table?<small>]]]</span></span></span></small> 18:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301293705" /> | |||
| == Edit and editor count == | |||
| First, is there a way to determine the number of edits an article has had, and second, the number of editors that have edited the article. I wanted that info for ] without having to count. Thanks. ] 20:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah here's the article statics page. --] ]</sup> 20:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks. ] 20:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301308645" /> | |||
| == Suggesting additions == | |||
| I want to propose a new feature that would involve a built-in moving/renaming tool for categories, similar to the one we have for pages. Where do I propose this and/or who do I contact about this? --] 23:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, you can use ] <tt>:)</tt> If you moved Category:A to Category:B, then all of the pages in Category:A would ''still'' say Category:A, and Category:B would be empty, even if the wikitext and revision history of Category:A was moved. Is the latter what you're looking for? ]<sup>]</sup> § 00:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I guess that works. I was hoping for a built-in feature, but I doubt that'll happen. Thanks! --] 00:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301316865" /> | |||
| == Repeating my questions == | |||
| I hope it is alright to do this. I asked some questions on this page that were never answered, and seeing as how they are in the archive now, I would like to repost them in hopes of getting some responses. Here they are, as copied and pasted from the archive: | |||
| :I need some help with my userpage. I got bored and started looking around when I came across ] Status Switcher script. I decided to use it, but after I put everything in I now have two problems. Problem one is that it says Example's Status on the template on my userpage. How do I get that to say LuigiManiac's Status? My second problem is that before I put in the template, my userboxes were on the far right side of the page. Now they moved to the left of the Status template. How do I get them back where they were? Thank you in advance. <small>From 24 March 2007</small> | |||
| :Okay, while I'm waiting for my five day old problem to be solved, I have a new one. It also has to do with scripts. I just started helping the fine folks at Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation pages with links, and I tried out Barticus88's dpl.js (it's shown on WP:DPL's talk page). It actually is working just fine. What's the problem? Well, I also have the popups tool in my monobook.js, and it was working until I put in dpl.js. Now I can't get any popups to, well, pop up. After using it for awhile, I put dpl.js out, purged my cache, tested my popups, put it back in, purged my cache again, and tested popups again, and I can say with great certainty that the dpl.js is blocking the popups tool. I like both of them, so is there is some way to have both enabled at the same time? Thanks in advance. <small>From 30 March 2007</small> | |||
| I hope that these will finally be answered, as they still have not been resolved. --''']]''' 02:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :The first one is done. The second one is more complex. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301341273" /> | |||
| == Non-ASCII characters == | |||
| I'm trying to clean up ]. It includes many non-ASCII characters, which display as question marks in Firefox (2.0.0.3, encoding Unicode UTF-8). I've heard that, in some cases, non-ASCII characters can be "corrupted" and actually stored as question marks or other gibberish characters in the database. How do I know whether or not that's the case here? --] (]) 03:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :The easiest approach is to install and use a font that include Asian characters, see ]. -- ] <small>(])</small> 04:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :None of the character on that page appear as a question mark. In the past I've made such a corruption: copied article text into an editor, made changes, and when I pasted it back into the edit box, the characters appeared as question marks. –] 09:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301326033" /> | |||
| == Diff error == | |||
| For some reason, the diffs on some edits I'm making in AWB aren't displaying right. For the article ] I changed ] to ]. The category was changed but the diff shows the category simply being removed . It did this for some other articles that I changed but not all (see ). I have made similar edits with AWB (slightly different category) and never had this problem. <font color="maroon">]</font>'''<small>]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">]</font>''''' 04:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :According to the history for , the article already had both categories prior to your change (see just before yours). So instead of replacing the one category with a duplicate of the other one, the first one was apparently just removed. – ] <small>(])</small> 05:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::That must be a quirk of AWB; because when there are two of the same category, it changes both of them. <font color="maroon">]</font>'''<small>]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">]</font>''''' 05:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <span id="63301346373" /> | |||
| == Something wrong with the codes I copied == | |||
| I have copied <nowiki>{{User:Storkk/Quotes{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}}}</nowiki> from ], where ''User:Storkk/Quotes'' led to ] or ]. Then I altered it to <nowiki>{{User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}}}</nowiki> on ], where ''User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary'' leads to ]. I also have copied the switch to 30 quotes on ] and expanded it to 100 quotes on ]. But, it is not working, and my limited knowledge can't figure it out. Can anyone take a look at the codes and figure out the problem? If you respond here, please, leave a note on my talk page. ] 08:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not an expert on Wiki parser functions, but I think your codes are correct. However, Misplaced Pages aggressively caches page content. If you try to edit one of the pages, and then replace "&action=edit" in the URL with "&action=purge", you'll see a new random quote. I don't know how you get around page caching other than by this manual method.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">]</font> 09:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you very much. The manual method is not working either, it's showing as a red link. Every time I click on it it gets me to - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Aditya_Kabir/Devil%27s_dictionary1&action=edit. When I replace "=edit" with "=purge" it's back the redlink again. No quotes anywhere. The code is working fine the page I copied it from. What to do? ] 10:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I guess, I have been able to figure it out. The trick is to have multiple pages with the same switching code. It gets me to ], ] and ]. It doesn't seem to use the original ] page at all. ] 10:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Technically you're supposed to have ] too. The idea is to have different sets of quotes on each of these dictionary pages. But that's an inefficient way of doing it. If you want to keep all the quotes on one page, get rid of <nowiki>{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}</nowiki>, so you can stick to ] without bothering about the numbered pages. –] 11:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Adding attributes to links == | |||
| Can we add "class " and/ or "rel" attributes to internal and external links? This is needed for certain ]s, as outlined at ]. ] 08:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == kan't login == | |||
| wen i try to get in mi account, i get the 404 message. so i kan't login | |||
| nd yes, i deliberately tiping like dis, so mi ip isnt associated wit my accoutn. | |||
| -] 16:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Ummm? How will changing how you type do anything? If it is a 404 you should just try again, it is probably on our end. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I had some trouble logging in too, something about technical difficulties. The problem went away after I executed the <code>ipconfig /flushdns</code> command, which I assume assigned my computer a new server to work with. —] <sup>(])</sup> 17:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Timestamp overlap == | |||
| :''Copied from ], 20:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| The timestamp on this talk page is overlapping with the "Your continued donations keep Misplaced Pages running!" that appears when not logged in. It has "display:none" in the style attribute, so I'm a bit confused about why this even appears at all... ] 18:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, I see this as well. It really looks rather ugly... but I don't know how to fix it. Help? ]] 16:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: Does this only appear when one is not logged in ? I don't see it now. I have seen it before and it disappears when I reload/refresh the page. Rather odd.... --] 19:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::It's a conflict between the style class "metadata topicon" which is used to locate the date on this page and the wiki-wide begging message that is only shown when logged out. The begging message is shown with javascript with a style of "text-align:right;" in the div id="siteNotice". The result is they slap on top of each other. One or the other element needs to be rethought. --] 19:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Can we move the clock a little bit down to avoid this conflict ? --] 19:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: If we move the clock down (only on this page as it's a wiki-wide style class) it will conflict with the horizontal rule when people are logged in. The div that is visible for those not logged in adds extra space. I'm not sure what to do as everyone's browser renders a little different depending on what browser they have and how it handles fonts, not to mention personal font settings. --] 19:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| How about: <tt><nowiki><div id="coordinates">'''{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAYNAME}} ], ] (])'''</div></nowiki></tt>? The text will be a little smaller. Cheers, ]'''] 22:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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