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== Gender and Sexuality of Joan of Arc == |
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== Category:Women warriors == |
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Because the gender and sexuality of Joan of Arc are often debated, I was wondering if it would be appropriate to include the categories ] and ]. This is in no way an opinion for or against these theories, it is simply recognizing that they exist. I added these categories to the article ]. ] (]) 21:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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She should be added to this category. |
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:I'm open to adding the category, the sub-article on the topic definitely illustrates some of the issues and the debate. But, I know that this has been a contentious issue with Joan. There are some editors with strong opinions on the topic, maybe they will weigh in. ] (]) 16:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 October 2024 == |
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== Appearance section == |
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Hello, can someone with access write a section about Joan's appearance and character? There are many descriptions of her. It's interesting. ] (]) 17:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Please link this phrase: |
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:I don't think a section devoted to her appearance would be appropriate. The documentation during her trial was focused on her testimony and clothing, not her personal appearance. Most descriptions of her come from testimony over 24 years after her death in 1450, when Charles commissioned Bouillé to open an inquest into Joan's execution, and after 1452, when d'Estouteville and Jean Bréhal began the second inquest. The descriptions would rely on memory over a quarter of a year old, testimony from over 100 witnesses varying reliability that was collected in a political context focused on showing her execution was unjust. |
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:Interpretations of her character are given in the narrative sections (e.g., her encouraging the assault on Jargeau and the pursuit that lead to Patay, her testimony and actions at the trial) as well as the legacy sections. ] (]) 16:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC) |
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using this code: |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 August 2024 == |
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Joan of Arc was not transgender and did not believe she was anything other than a woman, she was not trying to be a man but rather break the glass ceiling. It was her strength as a woman that made her the icon she was and is today. ] (]) 13:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Also, a couple of sentences earlier, there's a passage reading |
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Since the sentence also says that they were ''tortured and martyred'', please change these words to |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 August 2024 == |
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The women referenced in this section both appear in the prose at the beginning of the target section. Thank you. ] (]) 23:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> no need for the first link per ]. Second link is fine. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 23:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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The information I saw at first was wrong, can you let me edit, please? ] (]) 06:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> Edit requests are designed for you to get someone to make the edit on your behalf, not to allow you to edit yourself. Please either re-open this request or start a new one, explaining the changes you want in a 'Change X to Y' format, the reason for the edit, and a ] if applicable. ] (]) 07:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 September 2024 == |
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== Didn't she refer to herself as Jehanne? == |
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Please change " In 1920, Joan of Arc was canonized by the Roman Catholic Church" to "In 1920 Joan of Arc was canonized by Pope Benedict XV ] (]) 23:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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In the page it says that she refers to herself as "Jeanne," but isn't this the standardized version of her name? You even have her signature in the page "Jehanne" ] (]) 12:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}} ] (]) 17:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Have you seen all the different ways Shakespeare signed his name? More or less, orthography in every European language before 1800 was sporadically standardized at best. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 12:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 September 2024 == |
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== Does the lede need to be so long? == |
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Why Joan of Arc IS a patron saint, if she lived in XV century? Of course she couldn't survive till nowadays even she wasn't executed, so replace it with WAS. For example, in ] article it says WAS a first-century Jewish preacher etc. ] (]) 14:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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This article has a gold star, but I have no idea why so much biographical detail is needed in the summary of a ]. I am not going to attempt to edit it but as someone familiar with being concise I think it can be trimmed down to give a snapshot of her, without being so long. ] (]) 21:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Doesn't the continual veneration of saints confer immortality on them? ] '''is''' the patron saint of farmers, etc. Jesus is no longer a preacher. ] (]) 17:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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: ''she requested to be taken to Charles VII, later testifying that she was guided by visions from the archangel Michael, Saint Margaret, and Saint Catherine to help him save France from English domination. Convinced of her devotion and purity, Charles sent Joan, who was about seventeen years old, to the siege of Orléans as part of a relief army. She arrived at the city in April 1429, wielding her banner and bringing hope to the demoralized French army. Nine days after her arrival, the English abandoned the siege. Joan encouraged the French to aggressively pursue the English during the Loire Campaign, which culminated in another decisive victory at Patay, opening the way for the French army to advance on Reims unopposed, where Charles was crowned as the King of France with Joan at his side. These victories boosted French morale, paving the way for their final triumph in the Hundred Years' War several decades later.''Why all of this detail in a summary? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It's four full-ish paragraphs, which is roughly what we aim for. The passage you posted is a pretty memorable narrative arc in her life. If I were to pick an FA to rag on its lead, it wouldn't be this one. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 22:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
In the page it says that she refers to herself as "Jeanne," but isn't this the standardized version of her name? You even have her signature in the page "Jehanne" Tisthefirstletter (talk) 12:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
This article has a gold star, but I have no idea why so much biographical detail is needed in the summary of a WP:LEDE. I am not going to attempt to edit it but as someone familiar with being concise I think it can be trimmed down to give a snapshot of her, without being so long. Hausa warrior (talk) 21:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
level-3 vital article is rated FA-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
Not done: no need for the first link per WP:OL. Second link is fine. Remsense ‥ 论 23:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)