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The common name in English is clearly "Calicut", the article should therefore reside at Calicut. --dab (𒁳) 13:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The official name is now Kozhikode and that's recognized by other sources including the Britannica, The British Council and US State Dept. Of course you're going to find references to the old name - Calicut, but given that everyone else seems to be accepting the new name, no reason for Misplaced Pages not to do so. -SpacemanSpiff 16:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

BCE-CE Vs BC-AD

Since BC ("Before Christ") and AD ("Anno Domini", "In the year of the Lord") represent a Christian Point of View, i have replaced it with their secularized versions ie. BCE ("Before Common Era") and CE ("Common Era") in the entire length of this article keeping in tone with Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy. Before any reverts to this pls discuss in here . Thanks. Arjun (talk) 18:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Since CE also means "Christian Era", and BCE "Before Christian Era", I don't think anyone could object... -- megA (talk) 19:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Portuguese colony?

I believe that is not true. Portuguese attacked the town and set trade posts, but could never colonize? If this is the case, we have to remove the category "Former Portuguese colonies". Anyone against? Zencv 22:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

agree, must be removed. Arjun 07:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC) == Danish overseas Territories? == I found no mentioning of any period under assignment to the danish throne or consignment as trading post under danish supremacy.If that not being the case, maybe the reference appearing in the article on Danish India ought to be removed.¨¨¨¨

Calicut was never under Portuguese empire . So i removed it.

Pronunciation : audio clip

The audio clip for the pronunciation is incorrect. It follows the non-malayalam pronunciation of the name : koZHIkode, instead of കോഴിക്കോട്. We need a new audio file with the correct pronunciation of the name. Agree?--Bilbo elffriend | Talk 02:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilbo elffriend (talk • contribs)

Agree. I have made an audio file and uploaded it. Pls review it. Arjun 12:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Not being a spoilsport, but that pronounciation reminds me of the way some of my friends from North Kerala pronounce that word :) Sounds a little like 'koikkode'. A little more stress on the 'ഴി'?--Bilbo elffriend | Talk 21:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilbo elffriend (talk • contribs)

When i reheard the clip; i feel the pronunciation is more like koഴിkode than koikkode. Well, since a man is always a bad commentator to his own creation; i woudn't completely disagree with you. Requesting standard replacement. Arjun 09:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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Allegation of bias in 'Mysore Invasion'

Since the topic comes under the section 'History', would it not be better if the atrocities commited by Hyder and Tipu be briefly mentioned under 'People'? This in fact I intend to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Choosetocount (talk • contribs) 20:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

The atrocities have to come under History section. But it may be also noted under "People" if such a note seems called for. 117.204.87.171 (talk) 15:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The quote is included but a block is not appropriate as it unnecessarily over-emphasises one particular issue at the cost of other contents within the subtitle, altering the overall theme. Also the block breaks the flow of the paragraph. If the purpose is to emphasize conversion during the invasion please create a new write up under an appropriate title.

  Choosetocount (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Please verify the veracity of the summary before moving 'extensive write' to new section.

I appreciate the fact that the history section has grown much longer. However, please correct the details in the summary that is being used to replace the 'extensive write up'. For. eg. 'Kozhikode during the Sangam age...', there was no kozhikode during the sangam age. 'We have no details of Kozhikode during the 9th CE etc....', Kozhikode itself was founded in early 12th century. So its obvious nobody heard of the city. I would be glad if you could correct these facts (may be using the extensive write up itslef) and then move the section to a new page titled 'History of Calicut', with a capital 'C'(which we should because i too realize that the section is longer than warranted. Copy pasting the previous version is highly condemnable and is against the spirit of wikipedia. And please discuss before a whole section is moved! thank you.

Choosetocount (talk) 22:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Moving history to 'History of Kozhikode'

The bloated section on the history of kozhikode is being moved to a new article by the same name. Hope this fulfills one of the requirments of the clean up request.

Choosetocount (talk) 06:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Shortening the lead

(This is in reference to ). First, Samoothiri is the title of the ruler of the former Kozhikode kingdom and not a name of the kingdom so doesn't need to be given as a Hatnote. I have removed the distances from TVM and Kochi from the lead. To be honest, i do not think that mentioning the distance from the state capital is undue; but since i see a mini edit-war to that regard, i have removed both and hope to draw consensus from the discussion that'll hopefully follow. Declaring the city litter-free or anything likewise by the local self govt of the city seems to be of no relevance (clearly a political statement than a social reality) - It would have been well accepted in the lead had such an honour been bestowed by an organization of national/international repute. Arjun 15:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

hi, the distance from the state capital is not undue it is so important to add the distance and it is mentioned in so many Indian city articles. Also the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian cities layout says;

The lead-in consists of text that comes before the Table of Contents. The lead-in should summarise key aspects of the city, what it is known for and its significance. The first paragraph should also mention its geographical location, distance from the state capital. Geographical co-ordinates can be mentioned, if there is no seperate section for Geography. Use the Cities infobox to enter relevent details. The origins of the city name can also be included here along with the name scripted in the local language. Also recommended are the IPA and aural rendering of the city name. The lead in should contain a minimum of two medium sized paragraphs (~300 words).

ie; here the distance is to only mention the geographic location and it can be done by adding the state capital distance. adding more links is useless and it deviates from the topic Lower4th . TalK 12:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The distance to other cities from the lead was removed to avoid expected edit war between Trivandrum loyalist and Kochi loyalists. The distance to Capital city in my opinion is fine. But, let's (at least for the time being) not include the distance to major cities and prevent the triggering of furious edit war which otherwise is certain to happen. I hope you understand the situation. Regards, Salih (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

yes i understand. you are right... Thank you.... Regards Lower4th . TalK 14:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Like i said earlier, i do not think that mentioning the distance from the state capital is undue. May be we can add the distance from Tiruvananthapuram and not add the Kochi one. Arjun 06:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand the need for distance to capital when the distance to the most important Kerala city is ignored. Who cares abt edit wars? It is Information that is important here. Kozhikode and Kochi are the two major trade centres in the state of Kerala and they deserve to be connected. Trivandrum is the capital and so let it also be mentioned. The visitor to Wiki does not or need not know about the edit wars. It is information that matters to them! So please allow both distances to be mentioned since the wiki rule says that distance to the capital should also be mentioned. - Robin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.93.162 (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring are viewed seriously and can lead to block. Could you please point to the specific rule which says the distance to the capital should be mentioned? As far as I know it is not a policy or rule. Salih (talk) 15:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

@ Robin. there is no rule to mention the state capital. it's the instructions by the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Indian cities to make the article better. also Kochi is not ignored. the distance there is to Identify the geographic location and that is done by the distance from the capital also wiki is an encyclopedia. not a forum or advertising web site. i don't think that adding links to other cities will improve the article. Lower4th . TalK 12:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

@Dear All,I think all are aware of the Meat Puppetry doing by the users lead by DileepKS,Bijuts,arunvarmaother & Mountain Whiskey.I hope all will co-operate to expose their Meat Puppetry which they doing in wikipedia and doing continuos vandalism.

--59.92.113.1 (talk) 13:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I request all of you not to start a fresh edit warring here. Just do some introspection; you'll soon realize that most of the edit warring here and other city pages were over trivial issues. Whether the distance to the other cities are mentioned or not in the lede, who cares! Salih (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey, why did you all stop discussion, and the biased editors tried to remove the capital distance from the article for some of their own unknown reasons and they removed it. so they quit the discussions. SEE THIS http://www.kozhikodecorporation.gov.in/, the official corporation website mentioned the distance to the capital. they know it's important. 49.15.9.2 (talk) 04:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Population of Kozhikode UA

I have corrected the population of Kozhikode UA according to the latest census of India 2011 from 1,015,681 to the actual number of 2,030,519 which makes it the 2nd largest UA in Kerala after Kochi, also i can prove it with the following link Most populated UA's in India according to 2011 Census .Please restore the corrections made by me to make it more accurate. --Kozhikodenz (talk) 17:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Kozhikode per the arguments below, as a technical move, without prejudice to a full move discussion. It looks to me that the practice is unclear. Check the WP:RM page for the words 'use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested.' EdJohnston (talk) 14:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC) EdJohnston (talk) 14:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Calicut → Kozhikode – Requested at WP:RM/TR. EdJohnston (talk) 02:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

– This page had been stable at "Kozhikode" since 2002 until controversially moved, without discussion by User:Kwamikagami on 18 November 2012. Any such move to the former colonial name is bound to be highly controversial, and should have gone through the requested move process. Skinsmoke (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Editors should discuss this to reach a consensus for the best name. The page has been moved several times since 2011:

12:05, 16 November 2011 Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας (talk | contribs | block) moved page Kozhikode to Kozhikode (city) (Confusing with former state)
17:54, 1 December 2011 Walrasiad (talk | contribs | block) moved page Calicut to Calicut (disambiguation) (Calicut is direct translation of Kozhikode, and should link there.)
23:42, 18 November 2012 Kwamikagami (talk | contribs | block) moved page Kozhikode to Calicut (city) (COMMONNAME: 5x as common since 2000 per Ngram)
11:47, 19 November 2012 RHaworth (talk | contribs | block) moved page Calicut (city) to Calicut (revert)

–EdJohnston (talk) 02:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Question - unless I'm missing something (quite possible) this looks like the main article has always been stable at "Kozhikode" since 2002 and should be restored per WP:BRD and WP:RM restore, not a full RM. What am I missing? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Comment Agree with In ictu oculi. It was put forward as a technical move request to restore purely because a simple move could not be made, and the instructions at Requested moves advise that as the correct procedure. It should be restored, and if anyone wants to open a Requested move request, it should be from Kozhikode → Calicut. Skinsmoke (talk) 07:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Picture copy rights violation

The picture of Calicut International airport was taken by me and i still have the master copy with me in my PC. It was a disgrace that the guy who published the picture took the credits by robbing it from the skyscraper city forums where i originally posted the pic a few years back. Hope the admins will take appropriate action against the poster and give me proper credits; sanjay palayat Rammanohar83 (talk) 14:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Kozhikode → Calicut – Per WP:COMMONNAME: by a big margin the common name is "Calicut" as per Google Ngram. In Google Books, "Calicut" gets about 460,000 results but "Kozhikode" gets only about 71,900 results. So in English-language books, "Calicut" is more than 6 times common than the current, relatively rarely occurring "Kozhikode". Massa getae (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Support move per above. In addition, "Kozhikode" is almost impossible to pronounce accurately in English, because the consonant /zh/ in the word is the retroflex approximant /r/ from Malayalam language; the letter combination /zh/ in English language never represents a retroflex /r/ or any other variation of the consonant /r/. Furthermore, the airport named after the city is also spelled Calicut International Airport. Massa getae (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Support, even locals prefer to call the place Calicut. Only Malayalam language fanatics and government officials prefer the word Kozhikode which is not easy to spell/pronounce for any outsider including Indians who speak languages other than Kerala. The medical college at Kozhikode is still called Calicut Medical College and many more respectable organizations follow suit. --Prof TPMS (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Oppose per books in English after 2010 talking about modern "Kozhikode is" About 145 results try the same test about "Calicut is" and you'll see it is in large part books after 2010 quoting old documents from colonial history. Yes the airport and university take the old name. The town doesn't - certain not in newspapers. Look at the context of what "Calicut is" picks up : history books not books about the modern town (Page 4 of about 324 results). There are more results for Calicut is, but the above ngram is misleading because of the preponderance of historical texts. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:34, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Oppose As per the argument by In ictu oculi. It is certainly not similar to the current situation with Bangalore / Bengaluru, for instance. I suspect that the comment above by Prof TPMS may reflect personal experience rather than general usage. Imc (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Oppose per In ictu oculi. The medical college example isn't a great one because Madras Medical College and Madras High Court still have the old name of the city. —Vensatry _(Talk) 06:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Extraneous information in City of Sculptures section

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psc According to other official documents, Kozhikode is one of a oldest city in kerala and also in India. It should be allowed to be included on this page. 2402:3A80:1E72:FEDB:73FE:3DF5:704:B175 (talk) 16:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Chinese treasure voyages to Calicut/Kozhikode

Under the history, add text describing the Chinese treasure voyages of the 1400s, which regularly used Calicut. The page https://en.wikipedia.org/Ming_treasure_voyages references Calicut multiple times, but there doesn't seem to be a link from the Calicut/Kozhikode back to that treasure voyage page. 2601:204:F101:4F50:148D:BD08:6B6A:B685 (talk) 14:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

yes i will try to add 2600:4040:4522:2100:609C:DBDA:C3D4:A430 (talk) 02:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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