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'''Maiori forsan cum timore sententiam in me fertis quam ego accipiam ("{{highlight|Perhaps you pronounce this sentence against me with greater fear than I receive it}}") {{dash}} ]''' | |||
== October 2024 == | == October 2024 == | ||
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] Hello, I'm ]. I have removed your contribution (awards section) on the ANI article. I don't think it is needed there. Because it was given to ANI founder Prem Prakash and not to ANI. Thanks<!-- Template:uw-delete1 --> ] (]) 18:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:@], I added just to clarify that simply saying the word “sh*t” is not sanctionable, but using it to describe/attack another editor is probably is. Are you having problem with that? | |||
:I don’t think I’ve removed any content from that article. No. Would you please provide the diff? | |||
:And to borrow their words, I am tired of their attacks, their harassment, their complete lack of couth. No, they aren’t the worst editor in the history of the project. I am. | |||
:OTOH, you have removed the content I added just now . The person was an employee (and founder) of ANI and he got an award for his contribution to journalism. I don’t think that content should be removed. --] (]) 19:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:So <ins>do</ins> you really think {{highlight|I am a very hypocritical bad faith incompetent <ins>deceptive </ins>editor who sh*t on others <ins>who persistently making disruptive edits, casting aspersions, wikilawyering, showing classic WP:TE?</ins>}} (You know all these stem from the fact that people presumed that a tbanned user is a bad editor It caused much misunderstandings, prejudices, humiliations and cyberbullying/harassments afterwards. I have been tolerating all that. And you now choose to block me. Do you think it’s fair? You are trying to destroy the last bit of respect that I have for you). --] (]) 14:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC); --] (]) 04:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Did the person win the award, or the organization? - ] (]) 19:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Trying to bully the blocking admin is probably not your best choice of action. Bullying me is allowed, I'm a nobody here, but ScottishFinnishRadish is a respected member of this community. I only pray that they read the entire report, and see how many times you ] other editors in the space of a week. - ] (]) 14:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::: The person. But it’s the right place for that content. Please see ] --] (]) 19:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Ok I just read this | |||
:::@], re your , I think it obviously doesn’t align with WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, and probably has an issue with WP:NOBLANK as well. WRT the concern you expressed in your edit summary, we are not talking about Article for creation or Article for deletion ... As long as the person was mentioned in news/ media (I.E.. reliable source), then the person is not a journalist of nobody and can be included. That edit of yours is removing cited text. | |||
:::*] | |||
:::Aside, it's ... interesting that you aren't restoring the other edit of mine, which is also cited and relevant to to article, but choosed to remove more content instead. --] (]) 21:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::** I do see who is canvassing and bullying our admin now. | |||
::::In case you think the source isn’t good enough, why not help FIXIngTHEPROBLEM by finding a better source? E.g., https://freepresskashmir.news/2017/09/23/journalismisnotacrime-list-of-journalists-killed-in-kashmir-proves-otherwise/amp/ from ]? --] (]) 21:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::--] (]) 14:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::Wrong again, for a person to be notable, they need to have more than just their name mentioned once in an article ''about someone else''. Please read ]. If we allowed anyone who has had their name mentioned in the news, then almost anyone would be "notable", myself included. On top of that, you are wrong about the person in question being a journalist, as the article you cited claimed they were only a photographer. Also, it is not my responsibility to find a better source, the ] is on the person adding the content. - ] (]) 23:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::For the record, re {{tq|”Bullying me is allowed ... I only pray that they read the entire report, and see how many times you attacked other editors in the space of a week”}} No that’s not true. | |||
::::::You are citing WP:NBASIC, which is a section of ], but have you read the very first part of it? | |||
::::I’ve never bullied or ] anyone. Everything I said in that is true. Saying that I have, without providing any diff (that isn’t misrepresented), is bordering on aspersions. Yes there are serveral other editors that disagree with /criticise me in that discussion. However, the fact that for a high visibily venue like that (up to 6-7K pageviews per day), there were only so few of them, and that almost all of them were either pinged / canvassesd to that discussion and/or have content disputes with me before (including the bloocking admin, who were pinged there), i.e., not uninvolved, is enough to prove that who is at wrong and that the silent majority is likely on my side. --] (]) 08:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{xt|On Misplaced Pages, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.}} | |||
::As I said when you protested to my closure at ], I would reopen it for another six hours if you wanted. Most people don't want reports open any longer than necessary, and it was clear that would be the result. Being a consensus of administrators at AE it would require a clear consensus at an appeal to modify or overturn. ] (]) 14:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::It’s the first time I heard that whenever we mention a name in our article we need to check the notability guideline, which is a very innovative interpretation of the guideline I would say. | |||
:::I don’t think after a person has stabbed someone, one can pretend that nothing had happened just by saying that “ok I’ll take out the knife if you want”. But it’s up to you. Thank you. --] (]) 14:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::As to whether the person was a journalist, you may want to read . OTOH, even *if* we really don’t think he’s a journalist, the issue can easily be fixed by changing the section heading from == Notable journalists == into == Notable employees ==, in accordance with WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM. | |||
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:::FYI, it’s not “a consensus of administrators”, as you '''can’t close that AE discussion as “a consensus of administrators” in less than 24 hours according to the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Procedures ''' But again, you are the one with the power and it’s all up to you. It’s how this Misplaced Pages works. Thanks again. --] (]) 14:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
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::::]... - ] (]) 14:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::@], you {{highlight|]|lime}} me from ] to <ins>] to ] ,etc. to</ins> the totally unrelated ], <ins>assuming bad faith, harass me and casting aspersions since 17 Oct, first on my talk then at ANI, </ins> refused to my attempt to make peace, saying that you had “mental health crisis” on my talk and saying that I bullied you at ANI. Aside from those ], which did earn my empathy, you cast 20-40 misrepresentations / aspersions against me <ins>either on my talk or</ins> at ANI. Just because you can’t accept losing, just like you did at RfA (and I don’t think you have improved even <del>you did admit</del><ins> after you were told that</ins> “you don’t have any knowledge about our policies” ). You know what kind of person you are. Do not post to this Talk page again. I’ll view any further comment by you as ]. --] (]) 15:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC); --] (]) 05:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::I am also starting to grow weary of your ], especially when you keep throwing WP shortcuts at me that you obviously have not fully read (I.E. WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, not being related at all to non-notable additions, WP:NOBLANK for reverting a non-notable addition, and your attempts the last time we spoke (which you have conveniently removed from this talk page)), I feel it is starting to verge on ]. - ] (]) 00:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::For the record, this is the discussion at ] that leads to the above block: | |||
::::::Please see my reply above. Aside, my attempts the last time we spoke to suggest that we focus in commenting article content, instead of commenting on editors, seems failed; and I’m now being thrown some “personalised” new WP shortcuts. | |||
::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=1254115812#User:Dustfreeworld_and_CIR | |||
::::::Anyway, that article does seem controversial and people seem to have strong feelings about it. I guess it may not be worth for me to spend much time on it anymore. Let’s accept that we are happy with a subpar/problematic article for our readers. --] (]) 01:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::--] (]) 04:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::No, let's be clear, 2 days ago you accused me of editing in bad faith, stalking you (across a total of 2 pages that were on my watchlist long before you ever started editing), claimed statements I made regarding policy were untrue, threw completely unrelated WP shortcuts at me in an attempt to scare me, mentioned "articles that 'owned'", and even admitted that you were lazy and ]. All because I questioned your adding multiple empty section headings to an article and your incorrect maintenance templates. My comments about your tban (of which, indoor air pollution could be construed as a health/medical topic) were not a personal attack, those (tbans AND personal attacks) are taken very seriously around here. If you think the article is "subpar", work to improve the content already there, please do not add additional "subpar" content and throw more unrelated WP shortcuts at me that you haven't bothered to read. | |||
:::::The OP (and all the related IPs) who filed that ANI complaint against me is now blocked (CheckUser block): | |||
:::::::And if you are going to add a person as a "notable" anything, then the ONUS is on ''you'' to show they pass notability concerns, not to tell ''me'' to find more sources to prove that the person passes. Otherwise, why don't we just add every photographer/journalist that ever worked for the organization and happened to be mentioned in some random article? Why don't we add every citizen that has ever been merely mentioned in a newspaper article to their community's article's list of "notable residents"? - ] (]) 02:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::*https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2A02:6B67:D622:5E00:0:0:0:0/64 | |||
::::::::Well, you aren’t admitting that your interpretation of ] is inappropriate. It seems to me that you are preventing other editors to improve our article through addition of content. Perhaps you would like to edit the ] page and trim most of it’s content according to your criteria? (Aside, that person died from a parcel bomb when he’s an employee of ANI, how many employees of a news agency died like that?) Re our last conversation, I don’t think it’s related to this discussion (unless people are taking things personal). That said, I don’t remember that I’ve ever mentioned the phrase “personal attacks”; but if you think it’s the appropriate description, perhaps it really is. Again, I hope we aren’t taking things personal, and people can comment on article content instead of editors. Thanks and regards, --] (]) 02:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::--] (]) 10:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
{{undent}}I just wanted to clarify your thinly veiled remark ("my attempts the last time we spoke to suggest that we focus in commenting article content, instead of commenting on editors, seems failed; and I’m now being thrown some “personalised” new WP shortcuts"), that, since you chose to blank your entire talk page and seem to have already forgotten, it was you that was assuming bad faith and commenting on my behavior. As I previously asked, and you ignored, please explain why he is notable, other than "he died"? ] is ''NOT'' a valid argument. What did he do in life that makes him notable? As opposed to "John Doe, photographer" who died and was merely mentioned by name in an article about someone else? What makes him more notable than anyone else who has ever died? Did he win awards? Did he cure cancer? Tell me anything about the person other than "he was a photographer who died" (which is all that the ref you originally cited states, and is why I removed it from your newly created section titled "notable journalists"). What is your "interpretation" of what makes a person notable enough for inclusion on Misplaced Pages, if you do not believe in using the accepted WP standards regarding notability of people? Otherwise, accept that he is not notable enough for inclusion in a "notable people" section and move on. I have explained myself quite clearly and am done playing your silly games. - ] (]) 04:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::*Adolphus79 blocked on 29 Oct for grave dancing . Unblocked the next day upon appeal | |||
::::::*Karnataka officially warned for engaging in sock puppetry , "The only reason that you're not currently blocked is because I didn't notice it until now, and blocks aren't supposed to be punitive." | |||
::::::--] (]) 13:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::For the record, just a few hours after I made the above post, it seems that User:Karnataka had made a request to rename user "Karnataka" to "Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a", and now their account is . I think it’s the result of a successful account vanishing request? But per , “Even if vanish is intended to be permanent, it may still be reversed” ... | |||
:::::::Actually this is not the first time that they request for renaming. They have requested to have their name changed from Tirishan to Karnataka after a sockpuppet investigation that was closed as no action in May 2023 | |||
:::::::Will they be back as an established user who has never been sanctioned? I don’t know. Vanish may still be reversed, and they have a *clean* block log, much much cleaner than that of mine ;-) | |||
:::::::<small> | |||
:::::::a) https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Log?type=renameuser&user=&page=Karnataka&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist | |||
:::::::*17:30, 4 November 2024 TenWhile6 talk contribs renamed user Karnataka (6,282 edits) to Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a (per request) | |||
:::::::*19:54, 8 June 2023 Neriah talk contribs renamed user Karnataka (0 edits) to Karnataka (usurped) (per usurp request on enwiki) | |||
:::::::b) https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Log?type=move&user=&page=User%3AKarnataka&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist | |||
:::::::*17:30, 4 November 2024 TenWhile6 talk contribs moved page User:Karnataka to User:Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a without leaving a redirect (Automatically moved page while renaming the user "Karnataka" to "Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a") (revert) (thank) | |||
:::::::c) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?page=User:Karnataka&title=Special:Log/delete | |||
:::::::*18:29, 26 July 2023 Fastily talk contribs deleted page User:Karnataka (U1: User request to delete page in own userspace – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND) (thank) | |||
:::::::*14:18, 8 July 2023 Sdrqaz talk contribs deleted page User:Karnataka (U1: User request to delete page in own userspace – to retrieve it, see WP:REFUND) Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit (thank) | |||
:::::::And, https://meta.wikimedia.org/Special:Contributions/Renamed_user_941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a | |||
:::::::</small> --] (]) 22:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Forgot to add this last time, | |||
::::::::<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Tirishan</nowiki> | |||
::::::::"Tirishan" is not registered on this wiki. Please check ] to see if the account is registered on other wikis. | |||
::::::::This user has been renamed. The rename log is provided below for reference. | |||
::::::::* ] ] ] renamed user (1,412 edits) to ] ''(per ])'' | |||
::::::::This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference. | |||
::::::::* ] ] ] deleted page ] ''(replaced by ] (]))'' (]) | |||
::::::::--] (]) 17:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Re advocacy == | |||
:Hmm, I can’t understand why people who come to my talk page to make comments on me are complaining that I’m commenting on their behaviour. I know about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but that can’t be used to support that the relevant content should not be included in the comparable article that is under discussion. The person died ... in a way that most newspapers will report ... as a photojournalist .. and you are asking what did he do in his life ... | |||
:And basically what you mean seems to be that almost none of the employees of a news agency should be mentioned in the news agency’s article ... Anyway, I don’t think this is going anywhere, and as I’ve said, “I guess it may not be worth for me to spend much time on it anymore. Let’s accept that we are happy with a subpar/problematic article for our readers.”<small>P.S. FYI the TP was blanked because that article is the subject of a lawsuit and I don’t know if I would travel to India some day.</small> --] (]) 05:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
@], re your recent at ANI and some of your recent reverts, I believe there’s misunderstanding somewhere. Yes I’m against pollution. BUT, I don’t think there’s anyone in the world who is *not* against pollution. I really can’t agree with your comment that I’m here to “bring their advocacy against pollution into Misplaced Pages” or to RIGHTGREATWRONG. Quite the contrary, I’m here to improve our articles on that topic, and trying to reduce the biases/ misinformation/ viewpoint-unbalance. Per ]: "All encyclopedic content on Misplaced Pages must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, '''all the significant views''' that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." (emphasis mine). | |||
BTW, "It seems to me that you are preventing other editors to improve our article through addition of content" could be construed as a ], considering I have clearly explained my actions based on WP P&G multiple times. Please be more careful with your words in the future. As well as that I just noticed, since no one said "admitting that one is WP:TIRED is not an appropriate thing to do". You said you were WP:TIRED, I only suggested maybe taking a wikibreak (which is exactly what WP:TIRED says). - ] (]) 04:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
For example, for ], before I edited it, it’s totally outdated, and heavily biased towards certain view points. The are not just fuel combustion from power plants or cars. It’s much much more than that. Another example is the . It only mentioned *one* organisation, which was heavily biased. <ins>I had removed it (moved to it's own article) and the</ins> list I added later was to fix that NPOV problem and FYI it’s *sourced* to the government website at the end of the section. Perhaps you didn’t notice the sources because I didn’t add it to every entry … I do agree maybe the list is a bit long and need some trimming, but I don’t think it should be completely removed. | |||
:After being incorrectly described as having accused you of personal attacks, now I’m told that what I said “could be construed as ...” OTOH, I do want to know if phrases like “your silly games” could be construed as ... Re “Please be more careful with your words in the future.” All I can say is ‘same to you’. Re the ES, you said “even admitted that you were … WP:TIRED”, isn’t that implying that it’s not an appropriate thing to do? Anyway, it surprised me (and perhaps it’s my pleasure?) that you are interested in the edit summary of my User page ... if I may ask, how long has it been on your watchlist? Lastly, I’d like to suggest again that let’s not taking things personal. Thanks and regards, --] (]) 05:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
While I do agree with some of your reverts and admit that I should have formatted the article better and shouldn’t have made it look like sandbox/draft, I believe most content removed are relevant and ], and I know HK so well that some info that looks like ] to me may look irrelevant or even advocacy for others … As I seem to be the only contributor there and the page has very low visibility (only 10-20 visitors each day), also, I was planning for retirement (after I have that article in an acceptable state) and was in a hurry, I admit that I was too relaxed with my edits there (e.g., many links that are now removed from the EL section should have been put in Further reading as sources for future article expansion instead of External links, and many of the see also links belong to the article body, instead, and, the structure/headings of the article needs much improvement which I didn’t have time to do better, etc.) Please accept my apologies. But again, please believe my good faith in making the article more comprehensive and less biased, instead of “advocacy”. | |||
::Yes, ''you'' said you were ] and lazy, to which ''I'' suggested you take a wikibreak (just as WP:TIRED itself suggests, if you had read it). I never said anything that would even suggest it is "not appropriate", as I have taken a few wikibreaks myself during my tenure here (and may have even previously made a couple tendentious edits myself before a stay in the hospital due to a mental health crisis), but I learned from it, listened to other editors, and it (allegedly) made me a better editor. Putting words in my mouth, or making the statement that I am "preventing you from improving an article" when you are making redundant edits or adding something that does not pass notability concerns is outright false. Since you continue to provide nothing that would suggest the person is notable enough for inclusion (besides, again, "he died" or WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), then I stand by my revert that you have not provided anything to substantiate their notability or inclusion. No, random employees of a news agency that have not done anything of note (won an award for their work, published a book, had books/news articles written about ''them'', held an esteemed position, "made a name for themselves", etc.) are not notable enough for inclusion. As I said, you don't see entries for people in "notable people" sections simply because they died. Otherwise, I (or anyone else) would be able to add my father, grandfather, great grandfather, etc. to the "notable residents" section of my hometown just because "they died and their name was mentioned in the paper". That is why we have the standards that we do, and that is what keeps every article on this project from being "subpar" (or keeps the majority of us constantly striving to improve/maintain them). The fact that you ] the first several times I tried to explain it, and continue trying to fault others for your own misunderstanding, further proves my point. And the fact that you want to just keep arguing the same point instead of listening or discussing it shows me that I am just wasting my time with you. I will not try to discuss things with you in the future, I will just post a warning template to your talk page and move on, and if you want to keep being tendentious, disruptive, and pointlessly argumentative instead of learning the P&G like the rest of us had to, then I can not be held responsible if you get blocked for your own actions. I will suggest one more time that if you are this overwhelmed by the policies and guidelines that the rest of us strive to follow, maybe a wikibreak is your best option. But having a poor attitude, snapping at other editors, taking personal offense at the P&G (or people commenting on your talk page trying to help you), or claiming that a page is "subpar" when you are not willing to improve the content that is already there (or your editing) instead of adding additional "subpar" content, is not going to get you far around here. Good luck... - ] (]) 06:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Well, we may have very different understanding of our policies. While I do think the person is important enough for inclusion, per WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, simply “not notable” is not the license for outright removal (our policies only allow direct removal for serious issues such as <ins>libel and</ins> vandalism). Editors should discuss on article talk *instead of* direct revert. Not to mention that you aren’t just removing that person’s entry, but you are removing the whole section (WP:NOBLANK). Even if, I say if, that person shouldn’t be included, the section and the heading should be kept, and other editors can continue to add new entries to it. | |||
:::From my research, there were 55 journalists killed worldwide in 1995, and I think being one of them would be notable. I don’t know how old you are, but in my generation, back in those days, parcel bombs were always something in the news, not to mention that it’s even more notable if someone was killed that way because of their journalistic work. But as I said, this is going nowhere. My main concern is, the article of a Western news agency can have that section, but the article of an Indian news agency can’t (but contain a lot of negative content instead) can we blame the latter’s government for sueing our editors or the WMF? Anyway, as I said this is going nowhere. | |||
:::I’m sorry to hear about your previous mental issues, but I really can’t agree with your comment that “you ... being tendentious, disruptive, and pointlessly argumentative ... poor attitude”, etc. And yup, wikibreak is good, I have had that and probably will have that again very soon too; but perhaps it’s not a good idea for us to ] others to do so. Thanks anyway, --] (]) 07:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC); --] (]) 08:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::As to your call for prove of notability, besides the one more source that I have provided above, here is another: | |||
:::*https://thekashmiriyat.co.uk/on-26th-martyrdom-anniversary-mushtaq-ali-continues-to-inspire-the-journalist-fraternity-in-kashmir/?amp=1 | |||
:::That photojournalist is still remembered and reported 26 years after his death, which shows sustained/ lasting coverage. The source is easy to find, and I’d rather we’d spend more time in finding sources than having endless discussion here ... --] (]) 08:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::*, from ]. I start to suspect that someone may want to write an article for him. | |||
::::--] (]) 08:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::Nope, I'm done. You wasted my evening. Instead of having fun making productive edits, I had to spend the evening trying to explain to you what the policy states, and you spent the evening with your fingers in your ears like a child. Even now, you want to keep arguing that someone is automatically notable simply because they died. You blatantly failed ], ], ], ], ], incorrectly tried to use ] as an excuse not to revert non-notable content (which, empty sections CAN and WILL be deleted, because they look bad and are redundant) or ] to trump any other policy you disagree with, you blatantly failed ] multiple times (damn near every comment), as well as several other policies and guidelines. You chose to ] to get your way, ]ing the same arguments over and over, clearly not even reading the WP shortcuts that you were throwing at me. You have still failed to provide any context as to ]. After 23 months and 7,000 edits, you should have a ], but you choose to be ] and argumentative instead. Instead of looking for more information about the person, to see if they pass ], or if there is ANY information out there other than a couple brief mentions that he died, you wanted to just keep tilting at that same ]. There is a big difference between "we have a different understanding of the policies", and "I don't care what the policy says" (which clearly, was your attitude, and still is). Even your last comment here, you continue to use the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. ], ], and move on, or find something noteworthy the person did to have them included. When people try to help a less experienced editor see the error of their ways, and gets shit on like I did last night, it makes us less apt to want to help you be a better editor. It makes us say "well, that person clearly is ] to help", no matter how long you have been here or how many edits you have made (especially considering how many were as useless as adding empty sections to articles). You should have gotten the clue after your tban, but you continue wanting to shit on anyone who disagrees with you, no matter what P&G states. There is no ] or lose here, everything is done on ] to improve the 'pedia. If you truly want to die on this hill, I would suggest your next action be DR, where you can have multiple editors tell you that just because someone died and was briefly mentioned in an article ''about someone else'' does not make them notable enough for inclusion in a section of "notable people", because I'm over it. - ] (]) 15:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::Ok after I’ve posted on your talk in an attempt to make peace, you now come here to make the above comment. Your comment makes me wonder when have you put the ANI article on your watchlist. I didn’t remember inviting you to watch and then revert my edits there. I didn’t invite you to come to my talk to waste my time either. Further, you are now citing more than twenty WP shortcuts making all kinds of interesting claims against me. I think that’s enough, and I really hope people can cool down a bit. After all it’s just Misplaced Pages. | |||
::::::I’m not going to reply to those twenty claims one by one. That’s meaningless. There’s one thing really needs clarifying though. You linked to our ], in which it stated at the very beginning that, | |||
::::::<blockquote>The notability guideline <b>does not determine the content of articles</b>, but only whether the topic may have <b>its own article</b>.</blockquote> | |||
::::::It’s not about “how the person is notable enough for inclusion” as you said, it’s about whether the topic may have its own article, which is not what we have been discussing mainly here. I hope people can stop misinterpreting (or spreading misinterpretation) about our policies. Also, please be civil and stop using words like “sh*t *n” on my talk page. They are not welcome. | |||
::::::P.S. I have told you many times that the person didn’t just die. He’s a photojournalist died from bomb attack during his reporting mission. In for example, he’s described as “The Press Martyr of Kashmir”. There’s significant coverage of the person by the source, unlike someone’s father or grandmother who just died from their illnesses which won’t be reported by anyone. I hope people can do some basic research, or at least read the sources provided, before making their comments. --] (]) 16:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
Another revert I want to talk about is the Other names section that you removed from ]. FYI, the section was added per ], and I’m not sure if a section like that needs to be sourced. It’s a new and emerging technology, with presence in countries that speaks different languages (e.g., Europe, India and China), and thus it’s not surprising for it to have many alternative names. Although I didn’t add the source, please be assured that all of them *can* be sourced. It’s because I either found those names *in* the sources when I edited the article, or, I had verified that those names were used in RS before adding them. I would be more than happy if you had tagged that section as ], rather than outright removal. <ins>Btw, I have never said that *everything* that's ever added to an article shouldn't be removed. No, that's not what I think. And I really don't understand why linking to ] is a problem. People who really click on it and read on should know there are situations that justify removal (it's the first sub-section in FIXTHEPROBLEM ... I don't think everything should be preserved indiscriminately. Just that I believe most content can be tagged for improvement first (before possible removal), and that in this case for the Smog tower article, ] (which to my understanding means when an editor genuinely believes that no sources have ever been ''published'' that can support the material, and thus "material whose verifiability has been challenged" e.g., with a tag, can then be removed) should be a more appropriate reason for removal when compared with simply "unsourced" (for most non-contentious material).</ins> | |||
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There are more edits that I would like to explain or clarify. I should have written this a few days ago. But due to that case at ANI, which people holding grudges will make an issue with whatever thing I say, I decided to comment on “advocacy” only after that case. But that doesn’t matter anymore. Now that I’m blocked (at the highly visible ANI board with as much as 6K daily page views) and everyone thinks I’m a tendentious and disruptive (in addition to tbanned) editor, <ins><b>I can forsee that there will just be even more</b> misunderstandings, prejudices, unneccessary conflicts, <b>humiliations and cyberbullying/harassments in the future</b> (unless I'm happy with being an editor that only fixes typos). FYI I'm not paid and I don't see any reason for me to tolerate all that anymore.</ins> I will retire (much sooner than I planned to) and I don’t think I will come back, except to fix some obvious problems in the articles (mostly not introduced by me) I contributed heavily (e.g., now in Air pollution in Hong Kong, Joss paper is under the section “”. Also, which talk about heavy equipments that use diesel does not belongs to the power tools section either. It’s somewhat complex. Construction and demolition can generate particulates both mechanically and by fuel combustion… and I haven’t made up my mind on the article’s structure yet, so there are the many empty sections you found). Btw, there are some very important causes missing from the air pollution in HK article now, for example construction and demolition wastes, electronic wastes (e wastes) and <ins>road works</ins>. E wastes is a significant issue in HK and was widely reported in the news (you can found some sources in the removed External links section). If you can add them back, I, and the people in my place, will definitely thank you for that. Regards, | |||
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PS. As for the low quality images, my apologies again, as I dropped my phone a few times recently ... re MOSIMAGERELEVANCE, as I took most of the photos and I see them happening almost every day, I’m quite sure that they are relevant, although the caption might have been written in a better way ... Aside, I believe that block of mine does reveal some problems of Misplaced Pages. For example, admins,<ins> like eveyone else, value their reputation and "face" and their relationship with other admins and/or editors</ins>. This sometimes makes actions (or no actions) difficult. This is something for the community (and/or WMF) to think about. Do we need separate accounts for admins (e.g., User:ABC (ADMIN), just like User:ABC (WMF)? Or, better yet, has someone who is completely uninvolved in the project (not even an editor) to be admin? Further, how should the harassment policies be enforced? Only when someone complains? Only enforced for those with first mover advantage? If the victims keep silence the admins keep silence too? <ins>Moreover, are we sure we need to have trials as public as what we now have at ANI, which are similar to "public spectacles", "public mass accusation meetings", etc. in which everyone (or anyone, including those who aren't from your village/city/state/country/continent and maybe just 8 years old, etc.) can throw stones? Can you imagine some of the employees of a publishing company (e.g., of a print encyclopedia) being yelled at or threatened with "Block! Ban! Fired!" Almost everyday? Is that a good working environment? Or just because here people are voluntory contributors so they have to accept that? Yes there is workplace bullying but that is another thing which is quite different from the open/public/internet "trials" we have here. </ins>Anyway. --] (]) 20:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC); --] (]) 04:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:As for your concern that “I don't think it is needed there. Because it was given to ANI founder Prem Prakash and not to ANI.”, as I’ve said above, the ] page also have a similar section, in which the awards were given to people but not the organisation. I would appreciate if you can self-revert. Thanks and regards, --] (]) 20:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::@], by {{tq|“taboos of Misplaced Pages”}} what do you mean? --] (]) 08:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Things that should not be said, and things that should not be done. E.g. {{u|QuackGuru}}'s activism wasn't "wrong" according to the prevailing POV of Misplaced Pages, but the mere fact that he was an ] sealed his fate. ] (]) 21:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::I don’t know that editor. It seems that they left long before I joined. If I may ask, why do you come to my talk citing an ] and describing another user who had decided to left the project / stay inactive more than four years ago as “activist” (and saying something strange about their “fate”)? --] (]) 04:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::My suggestion is that you should be more welcoming towards receiving hints about your own behavior. | |||
:::::Sometimes, it is other editors who are wrong, but at other times they are right and you are wrong. | |||
:::::You should know that the Misplaced Pages Community takes a dim view of "activists", even if those activists mean well. ] (]) 20:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::After reading your comment I did reflect on my own behaviour again, but I really can’t find the problem mentioned. | |||
::::::When good-faith editors query about my edits, I always try to be patient and welcoming. The newest example is the one that just above this discussion. To quote myself: | |||
::::::“I do agree maybe the list is ... and need ... I do agree with some of your reverts and admit that I should have formatted the article better and shouldn’t have ... admit that I was too ... with my edits ... do better, etc.) Please accept my apologies ... I don't think everything should be preserved indiscriminately ... | |||
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::::::I explained my views and admitted what I could have done better, and apologised twice when needed. I have no idea why you think I “should be more welcoming”. | |||
::::::As for your “hints”, they are somewhat difficult for me to understand I would say. When you first mentioned about “taboos”, I did a quick search in order to understand what that means. Unfortunately, it only comes up with two links, one is this page, another is your comment on an action imposed to your account in 2022. In that comment you said “I don't know all the taboos of Misplaced Pages. Now I know this taboo and I will behave accordingly.” It seems to me that you were still learning the “taboos” after you had registered for almost twenty years, while in your “hint” to me you said the “taboos” is “the first thing an editor should learn”. Further, I really have no idea about what’s that taboo that had led to that action, and again, I really don’t know who is Quackguru and how all these related. Please accept my apologies if my comments didn’t seem very welcoming. As to my personal view, I don’t think we need too much taboos here, as Misplaced Pages is not censored. Btw, I don’t think I’m an “activist”, no, not at all. Maybe it’s my username that gives such impression? Well, in fact a world that’s free of dust can be both good and bad. FYI, I often have concerns that a world completely free of dust would cause problems because it may be completely free of precipitation too (you may want to read ] in case you are interested; again my username just doesn’t imply whether it’s good or bad, it’s up to people’s interpretation). That said, I certainly will take your advice and pay more attention whenever I see the word “taboos”. I agree with you that “Sometimes, it is other editors who are wrong, but at other times they are right and you are wrong.” I think reasonable people can disagree. I believe collaborative editing is the key to the success of Misplaced Pages, and mutual understanding and AGF are always more important and essential that those sanctions / punishments. Lastly, I think I’ll be closing this as I’m not feeling very well recently and probably won’t be responding swiftly / frequently and I don’t want to keep you waiting. Sorry again, and thank you. Regards, --] (]) 13:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Do not "unarchive" a discussion on ANI that has been over for weeks and then dictate how you want the discussion to be closed. This discussion ended a long time ago and shouldn't be put back on the ANI main page just to note that the OP was blocked back in October. It's a non-issue. Please do not do this again. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 08:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:Sorry for the late reply as I’ve been overwhelmed by RL events. I don’t think it’s a non-issue. If you think that being described as a “very hypocritical bad faith incompetent deceptive editor who sh*t on others who persistently making disruptive edits, casting aspersions, wikilawyering, showing classic WP:TE“ is a non-issue, then perhaps it is. Maybe because I said that I’m not going to hold anyone accountable and that makes it a non-issue? I believe I’ve stated my reason for reopening the discussion clearly in my . It’s not reopened “just to note that the OP was blocked back in October”. Later information, which was not shown in the original closing statement, indicates that both the OP and another user in the discussion are likely socks, which means that the outcome of that discussion is highly disputable. Also, given that the closer even ], do you think that the original closing statement was appropriate and my unarchiving was unwarranted? I didn’t reopen the discussion to “dictate how you want the discussion to be close”. I was just proposing (and I believe my proposal was gentle and neutral enough). People can discuss and even disagree. With the “rearchive”, the discussion was then dictated to an extent that there could be no more discussion. | |||
:Having been an administrator for so long, I think you probably won’t understand what I mean by “not a non-issue”. No one will attack you like that. People may still attack/harass you, but they will bear in mind that you are an admin who can use tools to block/ban/mute people. | |||
:I don’t know why you said the discussion “ended a long time ago”. We may have different definitions for “a long time”. AFAICT, ]<nowiki/> fought for his reputation for years after those bans/blocks were imposed on him and even took ] until he died. He’s not alone. Can you imagine that a user still remember a block imposed to her back in 2013, which lasted less than an hour, and ]? (if memory serves, she said similar things more than once). I don’t think admins with clean block logs can understand all these. There are more. Have you seen an editor sanctioned at ANI, with others citing reasons such as “this editor had been dragged to ANI a few times before without being sanctioned and the discussions weren’t closed but just archived. So he should be sanctioned this time”? I have. I know it’s just Misplaced Pages. I see from your user page that you care about cyber bullying. I don’t think those are “non-issues”. | |||
:IMO, and from my own experience, all those attacks, harassments, aspersions, following (hounding), etc. are very common, especially for the active editors who didn’t choose to “hide” and thus are not “low profile”, and even those from WMF can’t be exempted from them (e.g., ) . I did hope that admins/arbitrators/WMF(?), etc. would do something about all that, but no, I was too naive. Even getting a more factual and fair closure is so difficult, not to mention having someone to speak up when needed. | |||
:Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying you are not a good admin. You definitely aren’t the one who are unjust or will bully others. I’m just saying that maybe you can do better. Or, maybe it’s a systemic problem. Maybe. --] (]) 17:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Re what I said, "all those attacks, harassments, aspersions, following (hounding), etc. are very common, especially for the active editors who didn’t choose to “hide” and thus are not “low profile”, and even those from WMF can’t be exempted". That also apply to editors who had disclosed some of their personal information/affiliation such as religions, race, etc. Also more vulnerable are those who don't have ten to hundred thousands of edits, those who don't have any/much "hats" (permissions), those who are not "old"/long-term enough, those who were sanctioned before (no matter just or unjust; e.g., editors who don't have a clean block log, those who were topic banned..), <ins>and those who has stood up for others (instead of looking away) when they witness very bad behaviour,</ins> etc. --] (]) 04:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC); --] (]) 19:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:Noted. Nvm. BTW, I've changed the title to adhere to the fact. --] (]) 13:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
Please stop closing a discussion with many participants on another people's user talk page just because ''you'' "see many untrue/ABF claims.". Your edits are against the ]. ] (]) 13:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I’m polite enough to say that I “see many untrue/ABF claims”, what I see is much more than that, and I think you know what I mean. Per our Talk page guidelines, anyone can remove those of “what I see”, again, I believe I’m gentle enough. Aside, as other users has said, that discussion is going no where. It’s just *unconstructive* and *uncollaborative*. IMO your edits are against the guidelines you linked to. --] (]) 13:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @ScottishFinnishRadish, I added this just to clarify that simply saying the word “sh*t” is not sanctionable, but using it to describe/attack another editor is probably is. Are you having problem with that?
- And to borrow their words, I am tired of their attacks, their harassment, their complete lack of couth. No, they aren’t the worst editor in the history of the project. I am.
- So do you really think I am a very hypocritical bad faith incompetent deceptive editor who sh*t on others who persistently making disruptive edits, casting aspersions, wikilawyering, showing classic WP:TE? (You know all these stem from the fact that people presumed that a tbanned user is a bad editor It caused much misunderstandings, prejudices, humiliations and cyberbullying/harassments afterwards. I have been tolerating all that. And you now choose to block me. Do you think it’s fair? You are trying to destroy the last bit of respect that I have for you). --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC); --Dustfreeworld (talk) 04:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Trying to bully the blocking admin is probably not your best choice of action. Bullying me is allowed, I'm a nobody here, but ScottishFinnishRadish is a respected member of this community. I only pray that they read the entire report, and see how many times you attacked other editors in the space of a week. - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok I just read this
- User talk:Adolphus79#c-Hiobazard-20241029140200-Hi Adolphus79, 2
- I do see who is canvassing and bullying our admin now.
- User talk:Adolphus79#c-Hiobazard-20241029140200-Hi Adolphus79, 2
- --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, re
”Bullying me is allowed ... I only pray that they read the entire report, and see how many times you attacked other editors in the space of a week”
No that’s not true. - I’ve never bullied or attacked anyone. Everything I said in that WP:ANI discussion is true. Saying that I have, without providing any diff (that isn’t misrepresented), is bordering on aspersions. Yes there are serveral other editors that disagree with /criticise me in that discussion. However, the fact that for a high visibily venue like that (up to 6-7K pageviews per day), there were only so few of them, and that almost all of them were either pinged / canvassesd to that discussion and/or have content disputes with me before (including the bloocking admin, who were pinged there), i.e., not uninvolved, is enough to prove that who is at wrong and that the silent majority is likely on my side. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 08:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, re
- Ok I just read this
- As I said when you protested to my closure at WP:AE, I would reopen it for another six hours if you wanted. Most people don't want reports open any longer than necessary, and it was clear that would be the result. Being a consensus of administrators at AE it would require a clear consensus at an appeal to modify or overturn. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t think after a person has stabbed someone, one can pretend that nothing had happened just by saying that “ok I’ll take out the knife if you want”. But it’s up to you. Thank you. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, it’s not “a consensus of administrators”, as you can’t close that AE discussion as “a consensus of administrators” in less than 24 hours according to the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Procedures But again, you are the one with the power and it’s all up to you. It’s how this Misplaced Pages works. Thanks again. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- The lady doth protest too much, methinks... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Adolphus79, you followed me from Indoor air quality to Air pollution in the United Kingdom to Joss paper ,etc. to the totally unrelated Asian News International, assuming bad faith, harass me and casting aspersions since 17 Oct, first on my talk then at ANI, refused to my attempt to make peace, saying that you had “mental health crisis” on my talk and saying that I bullied you at ANI. Aside from those emotional blackmail, which did earn my empathy, you cast 20-40 misrepresentations / aspersions against me either on my talk or at ANI. Just because you can’t accept losing, just like you did at RfA (and I don’t think you have improved even
you did admitafter you were told that “you don’t have any knowledge about our policies” ). You know what kind of person you are. Do not post to this Talk page again. I’ll view any further comment by you as WP:HARASSMENT. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 15:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC); --Dustfreeworld (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Adolphus79, you followed me from Indoor air quality to Air pollution in the United Kingdom to Joss paper ,etc. to the totally unrelated Asian News International, assuming bad faith, harass me and casting aspersions since 17 Oct, first on my talk then at ANI, refused to my attempt to make peace, saying that you had “mental health crisis” on my talk and saying that I bullied you at ANI. Aside from those emotional blackmail, which did earn my empathy, you cast 20-40 misrepresentations / aspersions against me either on my talk or at ANI. Just because you can’t accept losing, just like you did at RfA (and I don’t think you have improved even
- For the record, this is the discussion at WP:ANI that leads to the above block:
- --Dustfreeworld (talk) 04:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- The OP (and all the related IPs) who filed that ANI complaint against me is now blocked (CheckUser block):
- --Dustfreeworld (talk) 10:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- --Dustfreeworld (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, just a few hours after I made the above post, it seems that User:Karnataka had made a request to rename user "Karnataka" to "Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a", and now their account is globally locked. I think it’s the result of a successful account vanishing request? But per Account vanishing, “Even if vanish is intended to be permanent, it may still be reversed” ...
- Actually this is not the first time that they request for renaming. They have requested to have their name changed from Tirishan to Karnataka after a sockpuppet investigation that was closed as no action in May 2023
- Will they be back as an established user who has never been sanctioned? I don’t know. Vanish may still be reversed, and they have a *clean* block log, much much cleaner than that of mine ;-)
- a) https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Log?type=renameuser&user=&page=Karnataka&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist
- 17:30, 4 November 2024 TenWhile6 talk contribs renamed user Karnataka (6,282 edits) to Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a (per request)
- 19:54, 8 June 2023 Neriah talk contribs renamed user Karnataka (0 edits) to Karnataka (usurped) (per usurp request on enwiki)
- b) https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Log?type=move&user=&page=User%3AKarnataka&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist
- 17:30, 4 November 2024 TenWhile6 talk contribs moved page User:Karnataka to User:Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a without leaving a redirect (Automatically moved page while renaming the user "Karnataka" to "Renamed user 941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a") (revert) (thank)
- c) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?page=User:Karnataka&title=Special:Log/delete
- 18:29, 26 July 2023 Fastily talk contribs deleted page User:Karnataka (U1: User request to delete page in own userspace – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND) (thank)
- 14:18, 8 July 2023 Sdrqaz talk contribs deleted page User:Karnataka (U1: User request to delete page in own userspace – to retrieve it, see WP:REFUND) Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit (thank)
- And, https://meta.wikimedia.org/Special:Contributions/Renamed_user_941cc78c00a0c5924c78bcbe91e8541a
- --Dustfreeworld (talk) 22:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Forgot to add this last time,
- https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Tirishan
- "Tirishan" is not registered on this wiki. Please check CentralAuth to see if the account is registered on other wikis.
- This user has been renamed. The rename log is provided below for reference.
- 19:54, 8 June 2023 Neriah talk contribs renamed user Tirishan (1,412 edits) to Karnataka (per usurp request on enwiki)
- This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
- 18:10, 4 June 2023 Pathoschild talk contribs deleted page User:Tirishan (replaced by global user page (requested by Tirishan)) (thank)
- --Dustfreeworld (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- The lady doth protest too much, methinks... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Trying to bully the blocking admin is probably not your best choice of action. Bullying me is allowed, I'm a nobody here, but ScottishFinnishRadish is a respected member of this community. I only pray that they read the entire report, and see how many times you attacked other editors in the space of a week. - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Re advocacy
@Canterbury Tail, re your recent comment at ANI and some of your recent reverts, I believe there’s misunderstanding somewhere. Yes I’m against pollution. BUT, I don’t think there’s anyone in the world who is *not* against pollution. I really can’t agree with your comment that I’m here to “bring their advocacy against pollution into Misplaced Pages” or to RIGHTGREATWRONG. Quite the contrary, I’m here to improve our articles on that topic, and trying to reduce the biases/ misinformation/ viewpoint-unbalance. Per WP:NPOV: "All encyclopedic content on Misplaced Pages must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." (emphasis mine).
For example, for Air pollution in Hong Kong, before I edited it, it’s totally outdated, and heavily biased towards certain view points. The causes are not just fuel combustion from power plants or cars. It’s much much more than that. Another example is the organization section. It only mentioned *one* organisation, which was heavily biased. I had removed it (moved to it's own article) and the list I added later was to fix that NPOV problem and FYI it’s *sourced* to the government website at the end of the section. Perhaps you didn’t notice the sources because I didn’t add it to every entry … I do agree maybe the list is a bit long and need some trimming, but I don’t think it should be completely removed.
While I do agree with some of your reverts and admit that I should have formatted the article better and shouldn’t have made it look like sandbox/draft, I believe most content removed are relevant and can be sourced, and I know HK so well that some info that looks like WP:SKYBLUE to me may look irrelevant or even advocacy for others … As I seem to be the only contributor there and the page has very low visibility (only 10-20 visitors each day), also, I was planning for retirement (after I have that article in an acceptable state) and was in a hurry, I admit that I was too relaxed with my edits there (e.g., many links that are now removed from the EL section should have been put in Further reading as sources for future article expansion instead of External links, and many of the see also links belong to the article body, instead, and, the structure/headings of the article needs much improvement which I didn’t have time to do better, etc.) Please accept my apologies. But again, please believe my good faith in making the article more comprehensive and less biased, instead of “advocacy”.
Another revert I want to talk about is the Other names section that you removed from Smog tower. FYI, the section was added per MOS:ALTNAME, and I’m not sure if a section like that needs to be sourced. It’s a new and emerging technology, with presence in countries that speaks different languages (e.g., Europe, India and China), and thus it’s not surprising for it to have many alternative names. Although I didn’t add the source, please be assured that all of them *can* be sourced. It’s because I either found those names *in* the sources when I edited the article, or, I had verified that those names were used in RS before adding them. I would be more than happy if you had tagged that section as Template:Unreferenced_section, rather than outright removal. Btw, I have never said that *everything* that's ever added to an article shouldn't be removed. No, that's not what I think. And I really don't understand why linking to the editing policy is a problem. People who really click on it and read on should know there are situations that justify removal (it's the first sub-section in FIXTHEPROBLEM ... I don't think everything should be preserved indiscriminately. Just that I believe most content can be tagged for improvement first (before possible removal), and that in this case for the Smog tower article, WP:CHALLENGE (which to my understanding means when an editor genuinely believes that no sources have ever been published that can support the material, and thus "material whose verifiability has been challenged" e.g., with a tag, can then be removed) should be a more appropriate reason for removal when compared with simply "unsourced" (for most non-contentious material).
There are more edits that I would like to explain or clarify. I should have written this a few days ago. But due to that case at ANI, which people holding grudges will make an issue with whatever thing I say, I decided to comment on “advocacy” only after that case. But that doesn’t matter anymore. Now that I’m blocked (at the highly visible ANI board with as much as 6K daily page views) and everyone thinks I’m a tendentious and disruptive (in addition to tbanned) editor, I can forsee that there will just be even more misunderstandings, prejudices, unneccessary conflicts, humiliations and cyberbullying/harassments in the future (unless I'm happy with being an editor that only fixes typos). FYI I'm not paid and I don't see any reason for me to tolerate all that anymore. I will retire (much sooner than I planned to) and I don’t think I will come back, except to fix some obvious problems in the articles (mostly not introduced by me) I contributed heavily (e.g., now in Air pollution in Hong Kong, Joss paper is under the section “Use of power tools”. Also, this section which talk about heavy equipments that use diesel does not belongs to the power tools section either. It’s somewhat complex. Construction and demolition can generate particulates both mechanically and by fuel combustion… and I haven’t made up my mind on the article’s structure yet, so there are the many empty sections you found). Btw, there are some very important causes missing from the air pollution in HK article now, for example construction and demolition wastes, electronic wastes (e wastes) and road works. E wastes is a significant issue in HK and was widely reported in the news (you can found some sources in the removed External links section). If you can add them back, I, and the people in my place, will definitely thank you for that. Regards,
PS. As for the low quality images, my apologies again, as I dropped my phone a few times recently ... re MOSIMAGERELEVANCE, as I took most of the photos and I see them happening almost every day, I’m quite sure that they are relevant, although the caption might have been written in a better way ... Aside, I believe that block of mine does reveal some problems of Misplaced Pages. For example, admins, like eveyone else, value their reputation and "face" and their relationship with other admins and/or editors. This sometimes makes actions (or no actions) difficult. This is something for the community (and/or WMF) to think about. Do we need separate accounts for admins (e.g., User:ABC (ADMIN), just like User:ABC (WMF)? Or, better yet, has someone who is completely uninvolved in the project (not even an editor) to be admin? Further, how should the harassment policies be enforced? Only when someone complains? Only enforced for those with first mover advantage? If the victims keep silence the admins keep silence too? Moreover, are we sure we need to have trials as public as what we now have at ANI, which are similar to "public spectacles", "public mass accusation meetings", etc. in which everyone (or anyone, including those who aren't from your village/city/state/country/continent and maybe just 8 years old, etc.) can throw stones? Can you imagine some of the employees of a publishing company (e.g., of a print encyclopedia) being yelled at or threatened with "Block! Ban! Fired!" Almost everyday? Is that a good working environment? Or just because here people are voluntory contributors so they have to accept that? Yes there is workplace bullying but that is another thing which is quite different from the open/public/internet "trials" we have here. Anyway. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC); --Dustfreeworld (talk) 04:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Taboos of Misplaced Pages
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- If you want to spend time at Misplaced Pages: use it in order to learn the taboos of Misplaced Pages. Seriously. That's the first thing an editor should learn, but it is never too late. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Tgeorgescu, by
“taboos of Misplaced Pages”
what do you mean? --Dustfreeworld (talk) 08:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)- Things that should not be said, and things that should not be done. E.g. QuackGuru's activism wasn't "wrong" according to the prevailing POV of Misplaced Pages, but the mere fact that he was an WP:ACTIVIST sealed his fate. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t know that editor. It seems that they left long before I joined. If I may ask, why do you come to my talk citing an essay and describing another user who had decided to left the project / stay inactive more than four years ago as “activist” (and saying something strange about their “fate”)? --Dustfreeworld (talk) 04:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- My suggestion is that you should be more welcoming towards receiving hints about your own behavior.
- Sometimes, it is other editors who are wrong, but at other times they are right and you are wrong.
- You should know that the Misplaced Pages Community takes a dim view of "activists", even if those activists mean well. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- After reading your comment I did reflect on my own behaviour again, but I really can’t find the problem mentioned.
- When good-faith editors query about my edits, I always try to be patient and welcoming. The newest example is the one that just above this discussion. To quote myself:
- “I do agree maybe the list is ... and need ... I do agree with some of your reverts and admit that I should have formatted the article better and shouldn’t have ... admit that I was too ... with my edits ... do better, etc.) Please accept my apologies ... I don't think everything should be preserved indiscriminately ...
- PS ... my apologies again ... “
- I explained my views and admitted what I could have done better, and apologised twice when needed. I have no idea why you think I “should be more welcoming”.
- As for your “hints”, they are somewhat difficult for me to understand I would say. When you first mentioned about “taboos”, I did a quick search in order to understand what that means. Unfortunately, it only comes up with two links, one is this page, another is your comment on an action imposed to your account in 2022. In that comment you said “I don't know all the taboos of Misplaced Pages. Now I know this taboo and I will behave accordingly.” It seems to me that you were still learning the “taboos” after you had registered for almost twenty years, while in your “hint” to me you said the “taboos” is “the first thing an editor should learn”. Further, I really have no idea about what’s that taboo that had led to that action, and again, I really don’t know who is Quackguru and how all these related. Please accept my apologies if my comments didn’t seem very welcoming. As to my personal view, I don’t think we need too much taboos here, as Misplaced Pages is not censored. Btw, I don’t think I’m an “activist”, no, not at all. Maybe it’s my username that gives such impression? Well, in fact a world that’s free of dust can be both good and bad. FYI, I often have concerns that a world completely free of dust would cause problems because it may be completely free of precipitation too (you may want to read Cloud condensation nuclei in case you are interested; again my username just doesn’t imply whether it’s good or bad, it’s up to people’s interpretation). That said, I certainly will take your advice and pay more attention whenever I see the word “taboos”. I agree with you that “Sometimes, it is other editors who are wrong, but at other times they are right and you are wrong.” I think reasonable people can disagree. I believe collaborative editing is the key to the success of Misplaced Pages, and mutual understanding and AGF are always more important and essential that those sanctions / punishments. Lastly, I think I’ll be closing this as I’m not feeling very well recently and probably won’t be responding swiftly / frequently and I don’t want to keep you waiting. Sorry again, and thank you. Regards, --Dustfreeworld (talk) 13:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t know that editor. It seems that they left long before I joined. If I may ask, why do you come to my talk citing an essay and describing another user who had decided to left the project / stay inactive more than four years ago as “activist” (and saying something strange about their “fate”)? --Dustfreeworld (talk) 04:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Things that should not be said, and things that should not be done. E.g. QuackGuru's activism wasn't "wrong" according to the prevailing POV of Misplaced Pages, but the mere fact that he was an WP:ACTIVIST sealed his fate. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Tgeorgescu, by
Your request
Has completed. — xaosflux 19:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- It's a non-issue. Please do not reopen. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Dustfreeworld,
Do not "unarchive" a discussion on ANI that has been over for weeks and then dictate how you want the discussion to be closed. This discussion ended a long time ago and shouldn't be put back on the ANI main page just to note that the OP was blocked back in October. It's a non-issue. Please do not do this again. Liz 08:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Liz,
- Sorry for the late reply as I’ve been overwhelmed by RL events. I don’t think it’s a non-issue. If you think that being described as a “very hypocritical bad faith incompetent deceptive editor who sh*t on others who persistently making disruptive edits, casting aspersions, wikilawyering, showing classic WP:TE“ is a non-issue, then perhaps it is. Maybe because I said that I’m not going to hold anyone accountable and that makes it a non-issue? I believe I’ve stated my reason for reopening the discussion clearly in my edit summary. It’s not reopened “just to note that the OP was blocked back in October”. Later information, which was not shown in the original closing statement, indicates that both the OP and another user in the discussion are likely socks, which means that the outcome of that discussion is highly disputable. Also, given that the closer even misunderstood who was the OP, do you think that the original closing statement was appropriate and my unarchiving was unwarranted? I didn’t reopen the discussion to “dictate how you want the discussion to be close”. I was just proposing (and I believe my proposal was gentle and neutral enough). People can discuss and even disagree. With the “rearchive”, the discussion was then dictated to an extent that there could be no more discussion.
- Having been an administrator for so long, I think you probably won’t understand what I mean by “not a non-issue”. No one will attack you like that. People may still attack/harass you, but they will bear in mind that you are an admin who can use tools to block/ban/mute people.
- I don’t know why you said the discussion “ended a long time ago”. We may have different definitions for “a long time”. AFAICT, this user fought for his reputation for years after those bans/blocks were imposed on him and even took legal action until he died. He’s not alone. Can you imagine that a user still remember a block imposed to her back in 2013, which lasted less than an hour, and compared it to a “scar”? (if memory serves, she said similar things more than once). I don’t think admins with clean block logs can understand all these. There are more. Have you seen an editor sanctioned at ANI, with others citing reasons such as “this editor had been dragged to ANI a few times before without being sanctioned and the discussions weren’t closed but just archived. So he should be sanctioned this time”? I have. I know it’s just Misplaced Pages. I see from your user page that you care about cyber bullying. I don’t think those are “non-issues”.
- IMO, and from my own experience, all those attacks, harassments, aspersions, following (hounding), etc. are very common, especially for the active editors who didn’t choose to “hide” and thus are not “low profile”, and even those from WMF can’t be exempted from them (e.g., ) . I did hope that admins/arbitrators/WMF(?), etc. would do something about all that, but no, I was too naive. Even getting a more factual and fair closure is so difficult, not to mention having someone to speak up when needed.
- Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying you are not a good admin. You definitely aren’t the one who are unjust or will bully others. I’m just saying that maybe you can do better. Or, maybe it’s a systemic problem. Maybe. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 17:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Add
Re what I said, "all those attacks, harassments, aspersions, following (hounding), etc. are very common, especially for the active editors who didn’t choose to “hide” and thus are not “low profile”, and even those from WMF can’t be exempted". That also apply to editors who had disclosed some of their personal information/affiliation such as religions, race, etc. Also more vulnerable are those who don't have ten to hundred thousands of edits, those who don't have any/much "hats" (permissions), those who are not "old"/long-term enough, those who were sanctioned before (no matter just or unjust; e.g., editors who don't have a clean block log, those who were topic banned..), and those who has stood up for others (instead of looking away) when they witness very bad behaviour, etc. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 04:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC); --Dustfreeworld (talk) 19:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Undid too much
CLOSED Enough. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 15:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I only wanted to undo your change of the title, not all three edits, apologies. Fram (talk) 13:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Noted. Nvm. BTW, I've changed the title to adhere to the fact. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Please stop closing a discussion with many participants on another people's user talk page just because you "see many untrue/ABF claims.". Your edits are against the Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines. Fram (talk) 13:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I’m polite enough to say that I “see many untrue/ABF claims”, what I see is much more than that, and I think you know what I mean. Per our Talk page guidelines, anyone can remove those of “what I see”, again, I believe I’m gentle enough. Aside, as other users has said, that discussion is going no where. It’s just *unconstructive* and *uncollaborative*. IMO your edits are against the guidelines you linked to. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 13:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
archiving at ANI
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This is the job of a bot, actually. Valereee (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee, I know. Just that I think the bot should do it faster for cases that are closed as no action, especially when the discussion title is so contentious and being associated with a user’s name in such a way to imply wrongdoing. As it’s a bot, it won’t be able to distinguish that. Thanks for the comment anyway. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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Happy Holidays
Hello Dustfreeworld: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 13:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this messageAbishe (talk) 13:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks
I hope you also have a wonderful Christmas and New Year.
Best Boynamedsue (talk) 13:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Happy Christmas
Merry Christmas, Dustfreeworld! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Misplaced Pages. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity.Onel5969 03:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025! | |
Hello Dustfreeworld, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
Merry Christmas!
If angels sung a Savior’s birth, On that auspicious morn, We well may imitate their mirth, Now He again is born! If stars in heav'n shone bright as day To light the manger throne, We should rejoice as well as they That love doth reign alone. All Glory be to God on high, And to the earth be peace; Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men Begin and never cease. - "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous |
4meter4 (talk) 13:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks
Wishing you a good New Year, and feel better sooner. --Iztwoz (talk) 07:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Seasons Greetings
We wish you a Merry Christmas,We wish you a Merry Christmas,
We wish you a Merry Christmas,
And a Happy New Year! May your holidays be filled with peace and joy. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! CAPTAIN RAJU 02:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Adapted from {{Xmas6}}. Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:User:Altamel/Christmas}} to their talk page.