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== Ideas on Uyghur persecution ==
== Denial of abuses ==


Should Uyghur genocide denial have it's own article?, I've seen a fair amount of people on the internet who deny it's happening ] (]) 21:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC) "Brainwashing" as a form of attack seems a bit ridiculous, and there should most definitely be an addition to this article about skepticism of the Uyghur persecution ] (]) 12:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)


:There is a subsection on brainwashing under the human rights abuses section. It has plenty of content, and sources are cited. Will see if that section needs to be expanded even more. I do not think it is for Misplaced Pages to decide whether this is ridiculous. ] (]) 13:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
The Uyghur genocide has been largely been debunked so no. It should not have its own article. ] (]) 15:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:The word "Brainwashing" should indeed be re-assessed. If meant literally, it is akin to arguing the earth is flat. "Brainwashing" is non-scientific, asserting "brainwashing" in some literal sense would raise the WP:FALSEBALANCE problem. However, in most instances, someone saying "brainwashing" means indoctrination. We should avoid colloquial or metaphorical language and simply say indoctrination.
:Feel free to bring forward more sources on your broader point. Editors on this talk page will read them. ] (]) 16:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::Agree that 'brainwashing' is a) a loaded word and b) un-encyclopaedic. ] 22:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


== Incorrect spelling ==
:I’m not sure there’s enough content on the denial itself to generate a separate article, but it should definitely be included in this one. ] (]) 23:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
::I concur with Butterdiplomat's doubts about the volume being enough to start a new article. Personally I only know of a handful of 'apologist' news sites. Bear in mind that you will need independent ] saying what person X/organisation Y/ group Z claim is/isn't happening and they would specifically need to say what kind of 'denial' ''(denial of mistreatment/ or acknowledging mistreatment, but arguing that it doesn't constitute 'genocide' for example)''. I'm aware of these pitfalls because of similar articles. ] (]) 05:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
:Those are straight up tankies and I suggest you sever all contact with them ] (]) 07:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


The "Cultural effcts - Naming - Villege Names" seems to be having an incorrect spelling of the word "village". Not sure if it's a stylistic choice, but it may need to be changed to keep the spelling consistency. ] (]) 19:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::The photograph in the article certainly doesn't show any sign of physical abuse. All the men looked clean, well-fed, warmly clothed, and not a single scratch on any of them. ] (]) 22:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

== Proposed merge of Xinjiang internment camps into Persecution of Uyghurs in China ==

The two articles talk about the same events basically. ] (]) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

:You are free to suggest a merger of the articles, but I would argue that this persecution article is broader in scope than the article on the internment camps. ] (]) 07:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

== Genocide ==

It’s honestly super weird that this page isn’t called “Uyghur Genocide”. ] (]) 18:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

:It was called "Uyghur Genocide", but time seems to have debunked that. Persecution is true, however. ] (]) 20:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::Only a relatively small number of ] and states refer to this as the “Uyghur Genocide”, which is our principal naming criterion.] (]) 17:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
::How is not a genocide? According to the causing bodily or mental harm to members of a group, imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group and deliberately inflicting conditions of life that bring about its destruction in whole or in part all count as genocide. Just because they aren't outright killing every single Uyhgur, doesn’t mean that it's not genocide. The word genocide is also mentioned in the article 252 times at the time of writing. ] (]) 16:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::It's not for Misplaced Pages editors to judge the genocide criteria - only to assess whether there is academic consensus.{{pb}}There are academic sources that say that the label of genocide has not been substantiated yet, for reasons such as the underlying data from Zenz being speculative (as the disclaimer in Zenz's report says) and other claims being exaggerated or unverified. The 2023 ] book is an example: {{tq|it is obvious that a campaign that aimed at Muslim minorities and abused their most basic rights definitely took place. However, the often exaggerated numbers, the way those numbers are presented—constantly repeating that millions of Uyghurs are being still and forever detained—and, principally, the unsubstantiated accusation of genocide, have to be criticized.}} — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]<sup>]</sup></span> 19:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 October 2024 ==

{{edit extended-protected|Persecution of Uyghurs in China|answered=yes}}
Change "The Chinese government has engaged in a propaganda campaign to defend its actions in Xinjiang" to "The US government has engaged in a propaganda campaign to destabilize Xinjiang". Currently, there are no solid proof of Uyghur refugees migrating outside of China, especially to the United States. China has released a 144 day visa program for tourists to visit Xinjiang, as a result, many tourist have found out that Xinjiang is nothing like what the USA proclaims and is merely propaganda from western media ] (]) 17:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] ] 17:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

== Dead link update ==

Hi, I can't update the page but this link is dead:
https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2020/07/commerce-department-adds-eleven-chinese-entities-implicated-human

I found the current one here:
https://2017-2021.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2020/07/commerce-department-adds-eleven-chinese-entities-implicated-human.html

Can someone please update it? ] (]) 02:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Ideas on Uyghur persecution

"Brainwashing" as a form of attack seems a bit ridiculous, and there should most definitely be an addition to this article about skepticism of the Uyghur persecution FrogOnGrog (talk) 12:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a subsection on brainwashing under the human rights abuses section. It has plenty of content, and sources are cited. Will see if that section needs to be expanded even more. I do not think it is for Misplaced Pages to decide whether this is ridiculous. Butterdiplomat (talk) 13:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
The word "Brainwashing" should indeed be re-assessed. If meant literally, it is akin to arguing the earth is flat. "Brainwashing" is non-scientific, asserting "brainwashing" in some literal sense would raise the WP:FALSEBALANCE problem. However, in most instances, someone saying "brainwashing" means indoctrination. We should avoid colloquial or metaphorical language and simply say indoctrination.
Feel free to bring forward more sources on your broader point. Editors on this talk page will read them. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Agree that 'brainwashing' is a) a loaded word and b) un-encyclopaedic. Blitterbug 22:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect spelling

The "Cultural effcts - Naming - Villege Names" seems to be having an incorrect spelling of the word "village". Not sure if it's a stylistic choice, but it may need to be changed to keep the spelling consistency. Princesan21 (talk) 19:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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