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			The result was '''delete'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I'm closing this AFD as "Deleted" even though only CactusWriter has provided a policy-based reason for deletion. The deletion nomination statement is weak (every article probably "needs more work") but the unbolded Keeps don't put forward a strong argument either. I've un-redirected the draft version which the page creator should be allowed to continue to work on and submit to AFC in case they are able to locate sources that can establish notability. CSD G4 doesn't typically apply to Draft space and shouldn't here even if the content is similar to the main space version. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 18:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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			*'''Delete''' I must say I'm baffled. An earlier attempt was speedied. The author then created this directly in the main space, from where it was draftified. I advised them against trying to create this directly, ''on account of their COI'', and the next thing I find out they've gone ahead and done just that. So apart from anything else, I think the author should give some undertaking not to keep creating this, because otherwise we're just chasing our tails here. I don't think there's much point in draftifying this, as another copy already exists in the draft space; let's just figure out whether the subject is notable, and delete if not. For now, I'm saying delete as non-notable, because there's nothing in the draft as it currently stands that would suggest otherwise. --] (]) 14:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
			*:I do not understand anything you said. In wikipedia in order to post something I think I need to graduate from a University. All the terminology used such as COI etc. are not clear for me what is this and what have a undertaken?
			*:Really it is very hard to understand the system how does it work here. ] (]) 10:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			*::@]: in that case, I probably need to leave it for someone else to explain this. I've spent a fair amount of time on your talk page trying, and clearly failing, to make things clear(er). Someone more articulate will come along soon... -- ] (]) 11:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

			:I would like to contribute to the discussion and confirm that Ms. Anahit Saribekyan is the webmistress of the International Dance Council CID at UNESCO. I am the current President of the CID. The International Certification of Dance Studies is one of the permanent programs of the CID. It has been established in order to assist dance schools in validating their classes by offering to their students a document valid world wide. Approximately 1000 dance schools are offering this document, which is issued by the CID upon request. Detailed information is to be found at the official website of the CID www.CID-world.org
			:As all the activities of the CID, it is strictly non-commercial and it is not advertised.
			:Therefore, I vouch for the retention of the relative article at the Misplaced Pages and remain at your disposal for additional information.
			:Prof. Dr. Alkis Raftis ] (]) 15:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Welcome to Misplaced Pages, Prof. Dr. {{u\|Alkis Raftis}}.
			::Just to explain, Ms Saribekyan's role in all this isn't the issue, or at least not the main one (it does give rise to a conflict of interest, but I think we've already successfully dealt with that, even if it continues to cause some difficulties). The main problem we face is one of lack of any evidence of ], which is a core requirement for inclusion in the encyclopaedia; as well as promotionality, which is, conversely, an impediment. The former issue is what this 'Articles for Deletion' discussion seeks to explore, so that the community can form a consensus on whether or not this article should be retained.
			::Best, -- ] (]) 16:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			* '''Delete''' -- Fails ]. My search has found no ] and none have been presented -- and the only hits appear to be promotional for commercial dance companies. If any relevant information is found, then it can be encapsulated in the ]. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 18:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 18:44, 9 November 2024

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. I'm closing this AFD as "Deleted" even though only CactusWriter has provided a policy-based reason for deletion. The deletion nomination statement is weak (every article probably "needs more work") but the unbolded Keeps don't put forward a strong argument either. I've un-redirected the draft version which the page creator should be allowed to continue to work on and submit to AFC in case they are able to locate sources that can establish notability. CSD G4 doesn't typically apply to Draft space and shouldn't here even if the content is similar to the main space version. Liz 18:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

International Certification of Dance Studies

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Contested draft, immediately moved back to mainspace by the author. Article clearly needs more work, and should remain in draftspace for the time being. No objections to deletion. CycloneYoris 11:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Dance and France. CycloneYoris 11:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 11:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete I must say I'm baffled. An earlier attempt was speedied. The author then created this directly in the main space, from where it was draftified. I advised them against trying to create this directly, on account of their COI, and the next thing I find out they've gone ahead and done just that. So apart from anything else, I think the author should give some undertaking not to keep creating this, because otherwise we're just chasing our tails here. I don't think there's much point in draftifying this, as another copy already exists in the draft space; let's just figure out whether the subject is notable, and delete if not. For now, I'm saying delete as non-notable, because there's nothing in the draft as it currently stands that would suggest otherwise. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do not understand anything you said. In wikipedia in order to post something I think I need to graduate from a University. All the terminology used such as COI etc. are not clear for me what is this and what have a undertaken?

Really it is very hard to understand the system how does it work here. Anahit Saribekyan (talk) 10:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
@Anahit Saribekyan: in that case, I probably need to leave it for someone else to explain this. I've spent a fair amount of time on your talk page trying, and clearly failing, to make things clear(er). Someone more articulate will come along soon... -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I would like to contribute to the discussion and confirm that Ms. Anahit Saribekyan is the webmistress of the International Dance Council CID at UNESCO. I am the current President of the CID. The International Certification of Dance Studies is one of the permanent programs of the CID. It has been established in order to assist dance schools in validating their classes by offering to their students a document valid world wide. Approximately 1000 dance schools are offering this document, which is issued by the CID upon request. Detailed information is to be found at the official website of the CID www.CID-world.org

As all the activities of the CID, it is strictly non-commercial and it is not advertised.

Therefore, I vouch for the retention of the relative article at the Misplaced Pages and remain at your disposal for additional information.

Prof. Dr. Alkis Raftis Alkis Raftis (talk) 15:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, Prof. Dr. Alkis Raftis.

Just to explain, Ms Saribekyan's role in all this isn't the issue, or at least not the main one (it does give rise to a conflict of interest, but I think we've already successfully dealt with that, even if it continues to cause some difficulties). The main problem we face is one of lack of any evidence of notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in the encyclopaedia; as well as promotionality, which is, conversely, an impediment. The former issue is what this 'Articles for Deletion' discussion seeks to explore, so that the community can form a consensus on whether or not this article should be retained.

Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Delete -- Fails General Notability Guideline. My search has found no independent reliable sources and none have been presented -- and the only hits appear to be promotional for commercial dance companies. If any relevant information is found, then it can be encapsulated in the International Dance Council. — CactusWriter 18:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.