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== DYK: Cherry on Top (Bini song) ==
==Mentorship questions Oct-Dec==
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Hi, ] May I request to change the DYK that you promoted on my nom ]'''ALT2''' to '''ALT1'''? I added on the article and do you think can work that? Thank you.
Can a foreigner joining army --] (]) 03:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
:Judging by ], only if you are from a country that was part of the ] {{u|EnockNseke}} ] (]) 01:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)


'''ALT 1''':... that ''']''' was featured on the halftime show of ] by the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team of ]? ] ] 16:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
=== Question from ] ===
:Hi {{u|Royiswariii}}, I don't think this hook is more interesting to an international audience than the current choice. ] (]) 17:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)


== Season's Greetings ==
Como fazer pra receber --] (]) 18:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
:I'll leave a message on your talk page. ] (]) 20:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)


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== nomination ==
Hey, so you know those "segments", don't know the specific name but those you do with ==name==, well I did some of them but they're in the wrong order and I don't really know how to change them, do i have to do them again? It's my first time doing this so I really have no idea 🤕


Sorry for the trouble and thank you in advance. --] (]) 04:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:Hi there {{u|Andrea shn87}}; honestly the section headings (see ] for more details) look fine to me. The bigger problem is whether the article meets ]—it seems rather borderline at the minute. ] (]) 16:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)


I have nominated ] - again - please take a look and criticize at will. Here: ] ] (]) 23:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
=== Question from ] ===


==New message from Red-tailed hawk==
Hey Fieryninja, I appreciate your help!
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— ]&nbsp;<sub>]</sub> 16:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks {{u|Red-tailed hawk}}! ] (]) 20:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


==''The Horde''==
I'm having a lot of difficulty with the page for Sarah Jama. I'll send you a link to the version I created, which has been repeatedly sabotaged:
So, since I’m probably not the best at uploading pictures, maybe you could upload one of the Horde, onto the Horde, because apparently I didn’t provide enough information for the last Horde picture I took. ] (]) 20:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sarah_Jama&oldid=1254559532
:Oh, by the way, was that you who added all those citations and extended the Horde, if it was, thank you, if it wasn’t, it is still okay ] (]) 20:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::It was me, yes {{u|Yuanmongolempiredynasty}}. Good work on expanding the sentences on the final chapter. You need to upload the book cover to Misplaced Pages, not Wikimedia Commons. Commons only accepts free images, and a book cover is copyrighted. If you click the "upload file" button on your screen, that'll do. ] (]) 23:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Ok. Does the Horde cover have copyright? It will not let me upload it and I don’t know why, I provided a bunch of information ] (]) 12:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is copyrighted {{u|Yuanmongolempiredynasty}}. If you have trouble uploading, you can make a request at ]. ] (]) 13:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::So, I added the Horde cover to the article and finished up the chapter stuff by concluding it with the Epilogue, and I was thinking maybe I could make like a sort of picture thing, because their are some really cool black-and-white drawings and maps in the book, that I would like to note. I for one wanted to know your opinion, and, would like to see your opinion of the pictures. Although I couldn’t get the pictures, I hope you can find them and give me your opinion, I don’t know if they has copyright on them, but I do know that the pictures are from long ago. So, please give me your opinion and check them out. ] (]) 21:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::All maps will be copyrighted and totally unusable on Misplaced Pages. Which pages are the images on {{u|Yuanmongolempiredynasty}}? ] (]) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Well, there are a lot of pages the pictures are on, there is page 301, which shows the 1480 stand on the Ugra River between Grand Prince Ivan IV and Ahmad Khan. If you mean web pages, I have no idea, I couldn’t get them because there was not a single website I could find on them, and taking pictures with a book and iPad in your hand is very hard. ] (]) 22:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::That one is already on Misplaced Pages—see ]. ] (]) 22:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, maybe try a circa 1300, “Khurasan Anushirvan Orders the Execution of Mazdak and his followers” ] (]) 22:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Page? ] (]) 22:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes ] (]) 22:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Not an answer... ] (]) 22:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::All I wanted to ask you is your opinion on whether or not I should make a picture section describing the pictures in the Horde, on ] ] (]) 23:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::No, because the pictures in the book are merely illustrative and not a major subject of what the book is above. If it was a book about the art and architecture of the Horde, images would be more helpful. In any case, galleries of image are usually discouraged; see ]. ] (]) 23:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)


== Kitakagaya Station ==
Some of my formatting isn't perfect, especially around dates for citations and so forth. But I think you'll agree that my content is objective, impartial, and well-substantiated.


So, I saw this article that is called ], could you check it out and see if it should be draftified, because there are zero citations, no references, and 2 websites in Japanese. ] (]) 20:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
I see that https://en.wikipedia.org/User:El_C locked the page and requires that extended confirmed users alone are allowed to make edits. While I applaud the protection, the problem is that the version implemented contains multiple very serious omissions, most notably MPP Sarah Jama's legislative work, which you'll see in my version, but not the page's current version.
:{{u|Yuanmongolempiredynasty}}, for questions like this, it is better to ping me on the talkpage of the article, so other interested editors (if there are any) can have their say. In this case, draftifying is not appropriate since the article is more than 90 days old. For more information see ]. ] (]) 20:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


== History of Christianity ==
Any help will be much appreciated, I only want the truth to be represented.
Pat --] (]) 01:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|PatHamilton47}}, while I am not Fieryninja, I will try to help. Unfortunately, I cannot agree that the content you added was objective, impartial, or well-substantiated. To start with, any information you add in the ] should summarise material ''already included'' in the body.{{pb}}Secondly, all information should be sourced to a ]; a is not that.{{pb}}Thirdly, even considering the unreliable nature of the source, you are taking significant liberties with what they say, and presenting them in a way that ''cannot in any way'' be described as objective or impartial. Please remind yourself of the central importance and the guidelines of ].{{pb}}If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. ] (]) 11:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for this information, ] - I'm new to Misplaced Pages so this is quite illuminating.
::-Regarding the lead section, I didn't realize this part at all, I can see why my proposition was rejected.
::-Regarding the motions, I absolutely cannot agree. The source is the Ontario Legislature central database, stating precisely what was proposed by the MPP in question. How does this not qualify as a reliable independent secondary source? It is not from MPP Jama's website, or even a news source, both of which could take significant liberties with their presentation of the motion. The OLA website presents *verbatim* exactly what was written.
::-As for the third point, this is completely valid - I'll concede I was not appropriately adhering to Misplaced Pages's neutral POV policy.
::If I polish up my phrasing to adhere to the above policies, would you be willing to help me edit Jama's page? I'd really appreciate it, and I'm trying my best to learn Wiki's policies in good faith.
::Thanks for your help regardless. ] (]) 15:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|PatHamilton47}}, a database which "presents *verbatim* exactly what was written" is not good enough. MPPs are presumably free to write their proposals in whichever way they feel are most persuasive, no? Thus motion 106, for example, says that working with the selected representatives would "ensure access to adaptable housing for people with disabilities" and "benefit all Ontarians"—we cannot take that statement at face value and state it in Misplaced Pages's voice.{{pb}}Even if the motion is completely correct, there is also the problem of ]—if such a fact was not described in independent ], how much ] do you give it in the article? Editors would have to make their own decision, which would be ].{{pb}}Of course, feel free to run any drafts by me. ] (]) 19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
::::That makes a great deal of sense! Thank you for clarifying. I'll put together a couple higher-quality revisions and send them along to you, you can see what you think. ] (]) 19:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)


First, thank you. I am totally blown away by your edits. I don't want to let you and all your good work down, but I have now withdrawn the nomination. I wish I could think like you, but I just can't, so the chances of me ever fixing this are pretty low. I am all about the tiny points - a sickness evident in all those in my academic field. I should only write on tiny topics. :-) I am so deeply grateful to you, and I genuinely admire your skill and the person you are, kind and helpful to others. I don't know what I could ever do for you, but if you ever need a favor, please ask. Thank you again, ] (]) 04:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
=== Question from ] ===
:I started editing the article after the nomination was withdrawn {{u|Jenhawk777}}. What I'll do is I'll copyedit and trim the entire article to focus on the key points, and identify areas that need some detailing that have been skipped over. Then you may have a chance. ] (]) 13:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::I just sat down and cried for a bit. I hardly know what to say. Let me know what's been skipped so that I can research for you. I can do that. Would you be willing to be a joint nominator when you're done? ] (]) 16:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Am I allowed any objections? The paragraph in Early Christianity that starts out "Beginning with less than 1000 people..." and ends with a sentence on Paul makes it sound as if Paul was the only missionary, and it says nothing of Christianity's spread outside the Roman Empire. Won't that make it harder to explain it becoming a state religion in Armenia etc. in the fourth century? ] (]) 16:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: You removed this earlier as uncited, but Bundy has this on page 118: "...Christians came to live in most areas of Asia, including what is now eastern Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia, China, Pakistan, the Arabian peninsula, Soqotra, the Persian Gulf and India." These are also discussed in more detail from page 135 on. And this: "Christian texts and peoples were scattered throughout Asia and parts of non-Latin/Greek-speaking Eastern Africa by the beginning of the fourth century." on page 120. I'll check Wilken on the archive if I can and get back to you here. ] (]) 17:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::: Okay, I see the problem. Bundy is Late Antiquity. What's needed is Trombley, from volume 1, chapter 16. He says there is evidence of pre-fourth century Christianity in "Rome, ... Asia Minor, in Roman Africa and possibly at Syracuse in Sicily." (page 302) in Syria on page 303, along the Euphrates and into Numidia, (p.304}. I have no idea where that is. Egypt is on page 305, Gaul and Spain are on page 307, Britain is also mentioned at the bottom of 307-308. Africa is discussed on page 308. This might be usable: "Christianity expanded more quickly in the eastern Mediterranean coastal cities, and soon penetrated the hinterlands of Asia Minor... Galatia, Lydia and Phrygia, and further east in Cappadocia and Pontus. This culminated in the acceptance of Christianity by the semi- autonomous princes of Armenia in 314."(308) There's a whole long list of cities on pages 308 - 309. All of this is no doubt too much detail, but one sentence you might want is from age 309: "Christians seem to have been a tiny minority in most Mediterranean towns c.300..."
:::::: This is the reference but I won't put it in until you tell me if you want to use any of this.
* {{cite book |last=Trombley |first=Frank |title=The Cambridge History of Christianity |publisher=Cambridge University Press |year=2006|editor1-last= Mitchell |editor1-first=Margaret M. |editor2-last=Young |editor2-first=Francis M. |chapter=Overview: the geographical spread of Christianity|volume=1|pages=302-313|isbn=978-1-139-05413-3 |doi=10.1017/CHOL9780521812443}}{{Talkref}} ] (]) 18:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Am I being too enthusiastic? I can back off if you need me to. ] (]) 18:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: The sentence I removed as uncited was uncited; if it was missing a source you meant to include, feel free to add it back in, and we will work it back on. Generally speaking though, if we get bogged down in what should be included, we will never get anywhere in this trimming stage. ] (]) 00:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
{{od}} I will try to have a little dignity and not act like an untrained puppy whose owner has just arrived home. ] (]) 04:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:It's fine Jen, I know you. I will be updating the section on the talk page with stuff that needs more explanation instead of being dropped into the text without warning later; would it satisfy your desire to add stuff if you focused on adding what I put there? ] (]) 12:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::LOL. :-) It will certainly help me cope. Thank you. Your edits take my breath away! I do recognize art when I see it though. ] (]) 19:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Happy holidays! ==
Hello when there is a meeting of youths? --] (]) 12:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:Afraid I can't help you there {{u|HAVUGIMANA Eric}}. ] (]) 23:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)


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Hello Sir, my name is George, I am an inspiring editor from Minnesota. Anyways, when I tried to edit a page i spotted a typo in, Misplaced Pages told me "to upload a photo first", what photo and how do I do that? --] (]) 14:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Hi {{u|Geroge Droid}}, there shouldn't have been any need to upload a photo before editing a page. Please let me know if it happens when you try again. ] (]) 23:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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=== Question from ] ===
Airship, the ] champion, thank you for all of the content you contributed over the past year. Thank you (]) for {{icon|FA}}], but also thank you for {{icon|FA}} ]. Writing content is one thing, but there is a reason {{icon|million}} ] awards are given out. From one penguin to another, happy holidays and best in 2025! <b>]]</b>&nbsp;(]&nbsp;•&nbsp;he/they) 05:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. How do I make a citation? --] (]) 13:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Crimson.Loftwing 1996}}, please see ]. ] (]) 12:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

== A thanks from a french-speaker ==

Hello from Belgium,

I'm actually reading a lot about the vast area surrounding steppic trade, and of course, steppic states. It obviously led me to the mongol empire and its forming. Someone on discord just gave me your name and i noticed that my recent traduction have been facilitated thanks to your good work.

I simply wanted to send you this message to thank you. Your articles are very thorough and precise. Sometimes, I have nothing to add. The state of French-language articles on the steppes, in general, is particularly neglected. Thanks to you, things are improving. The article on Jalal ad-Din, for example, was as comprehensive as the source I use on the subject (*The Conquest of Khwarezm by Mongol Troops (1219–1221)* by Dmitry Timokhin, from *The Golden Horde in World History*, Tartaria Magna Series).  

Kind regards, and I look forward to reading and translating more of your work! ] (]) 21:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'm really quite gratified to read that {{u|Nanoyo88}}; I love the idea of the articles I write being translated into other languages. I haven't heard of that book/chapter before, but having managed to find I might draw upon it in the future, so thanks! If there's anything I can do to make your work as a translator easier, please let me know. ] (]) 21:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::Well, the difficulties encountered in the translation mainly concern reference templates that don't exist on WPfr. For instance, the multiple SFN template doesn't exist in our version. This means I have to retype everything manually. Similarly, the RP template is rarely used, and we generally prefer the SFN template, which is linked to a complete bibliography at the bottom of the page.
::Regarding the source, I find it interesting because it involves Russian-speaking researchers supervised by renowned international specialists on the peer-review committee. From the outset, they are clear about their goal of historical reconstruction based on recent research on the Golden Horde, a topic that was censored during the Soviet Union. Just for this perspective alone, I find it compelling.  
::I haven’t progressed much in it yet, but I’ve already used a lot of its content to improve WPfr. Compared to the state of articles on WPen, I assume most of this information is already covered there. ] (]) 22:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, I'm finding the source quite interesting for its composition and sourcing. I recently rewrote our en.wp biography of ] and it probably would have been easier if I had access to this source's detailed exploration of him, but I don't think there were too many new detail provided. Sorry about {{tl|sfnm}}, it's just a lot more professional-looking for us here. ] (]) 13:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Perhaps you could give translating ] into French a go? I've had a look at the fr.wp version (with my schoolboy memories and Google Translate), and I think the en.wp version is a thorough improvement on most levels. Obviously, it's a much bigger task than other articles, so don't feel pressured. ] (]) 13:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello, and sorry for this late reply. Apparently, I must have clicked on the notification without reading it, as I just found it while intending to reach out to you again.
::::Indeed, I am considering improving the article on Genghis Khan using the English version as a basis. However, the scope of the work is massive, and as you can imagine, it will be closely reviewed by other users. Some are quite wary of translations, which can lead to excessive or even aggressive behaviors. That’s why I’ve been keeping it "on the back burner," as we say in French.
::::Initially, I came to you for a completely different topic. I’ve started translating articles about the various Uluses of the Golden Horde and their respective Khans. I’ve noticed that another user has done substantial groundwork there, but it suffers from significant issues with the formatting of references and bibliographies. Take, for example, ]. The reference citations attempt to follow an SFN model but lack proper formatting. While this is obviously much more complicated when translating (since bibliographies are translated as plain text rather than templates, requiring everything to be traced, linked, etc.), I believe it’s also an issue on wikiEN’s side.
::::So, I took the liberty of bringing up this small issue, which could probably be resolved at its root (from wikiEN).
::::Thank you again for your feedback.
::::P.S.: An archaeologist friend of mine is going to share a significant part of his library with me concerning the history of the populations of the Tarim Basin. He has already sent me quite a few archaeological documents. If the topic interests you, I’d be happy to keep you updated on my small projects on the French side, which could, this time, help improve wikiEN :) ] (]) 13:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hi {{u|Nanoyo88}}, good to hear from you. Yeah, I can understand the difficulties with translating an article like Genghis; let me know if I can provide any assistance when you do. Sadly, I haven't quite got around to working on articles on later rulers like Timur and Toktamysh yet; they are (as we say too) on the back burner. I don't know if the previous editor was trying to follow an sfn model—en.wp allows quite a few citation styles, and this just seems to be a variant. Without overhauling the article itself, I'm prohibited from overhauling the citations per ] (because in the past people have really edit-warred over their preferred citation styles). If the documents are relevant to the Mongol Empire, I'd love to read them—otherwise I'm probably not going to get much out of them. Thanks for the offer! ] (]) 13:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I’ve already made good progress on the Genghis Khan article. I’ve also reached out to Mme Favereau to get access to French-language sources and for a review of the page. If I come across any resources that allow me to update certain information or add relevant content, I’ll be sure to share them.
::::::I think the contributor is simply doing "SFN" without a template. The SFN information is there, as is the bibliography information, but unfortunately, nothing is formatted or placed in a proper template. (And as a result, there are some bibliography entries I can’t trace back...)
::::::I had no idea you had a rule about citation styles. Edit wars over that—what a strange idea... On the French side, we have basic bibliographic conventions, but nothing requires the use of the SFN template for references. It’s just “better,” but not mandatory.
::::::Unfortunately, the works I’ve received don’t concern the Mongol Empire. You know me, I jump from topic to topic. Six months ago, I was working on the Ashantis, three months ago on the Scandinavian peoples, and now on the nomadic peoples of the Silk Road (which obviously includes the Mongols...!).
::::::See you soon! ] (]) 14:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

== So why did you edited it back to 1162CE? ==

I mean Genghis khan's mother page. ] (]) 11:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:Because the date was not her date of birth, see ]. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 11:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, you have listed this for TFA at pending for February. I have tentatively reserved a date for it, but if you would still like it be considered you will need to nominate it at ], which is now open. Cheers. ] (]) 16:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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== Re: MOS ==

I appreciate the edits to ''Mountain Landscape'', but neither of those paragraphs could be considered exceptionally short per the most liberal reading of MOS:OVERSECTION. I’m guessing you are using a large, 4K monitor? That’s the only explanation I can formulate. ] (]) 16:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:I think your changes to ''Silver Veil'' were well intentioned, and I did try to read the new version. There's a lot of issues now with the narrative, which is jumbled and out of order. I also don't see why the sections were eliminated since they weren't examples of MOS:OVERSECTION. It looks like you tried to merge those sections into others to make larger sections but I'm not convinced it works. Also, the moving of the description section to the top and the moving of the background section below and the elimination of the development section doesn't work for me for many reasons, primarily because we use Background > Development > Description/Work/Synopsis sections as standard sections in virtually all of our articles on art, entertainment, and fiction. It's not clear to me why you don't like this, but it seems somewhat of a radical change given how standardized it is. ] (]) 17:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} ::As per OVERSECTION, filling an article with excess headings, in this case a strict one header per paragraph scheme, does nothing but inhibit the flow of the prose. In ''Mountain View'' for example, the "Description" section is awkwardly jammed in between where the painting came from and where it went; there is a misleadingly-titled section titles "Reproductions", which you might expect to detail copies painted by other artists, but which actually discusses why there ''aren't'' good reproductions; and you have a final section which ] with meaningless ChatGPT-reminiscent sentences like the one I deleted. And no, it's quite apparent on a small laptop or the phone I type this on. Hope that helps. ] (]) 17:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I understand that's your reading of oversection, and I see that you use extremely large paragraphs in your own articles and you prefer that style. That's fine. But that's not my reading of it, and I don't see the paragraphs as excessively short in this case. And the same goes for ''Silver Veil'', which now makes little sense in the current format, and whose paragraphs were not short by any stretch of the imagination. As for recentism, I don't think that's true. It's almost 2025, and the controversy started in 2023 and was covered in every major media outlet. It also doesn't actually meet the recentism description, and there's been plenty of discussion and analysis to solidify the topic and warrant its own section. But that's not really my major concerns. My concern is that MOS:OVERSECTION is being in used in ways it was never designed and these changes are interfering with the structure and design of art-related articles to the point where they become atypical. And to address what you describe as meaningless sentences, this sentence exactly summarizes the entire controversy: "The controversy highlighted the tension between the financial reality of modern educational institutions and the ] entrusted to them, raising important questions about the preservation of artistic heritage." While I think it can be certainly rephrased, that is an accurate and precise description of the Valpairsio controversy in a nutshell, so I'm curious why you dislike it. The tension between the financial reality of struggling modern universities and the expectation that they will be good stewards of art is the conflict. There's a huge amount of literature written about this. It's not meaningless, it's the very issue at heart in the controversy. ] (]) 18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::}} I just added a new compromise version of ''Silver Veil'' that addresses many of your concerns and still preserves the structure I think is needed. Please let me know if that's okay with you. ] (]) 18:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Same with ''Mountain Landscape''. ] (]) 18:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to briefly address two other things, 1) You wrote above that the description section "is awkwardly jammed in between where the painting came from and where it went". I don't understand the disconnect here. That's exactly where the description section is supposed to be. Think of an article about a book or a film; it's the same, exact structure. 2) You wrote that the section on "Reproductions" had a misleading title. I think that's really an unfair characterization. While we can disagree about what to call the section, calling it misleading is overboard. While the section no longer exists and is now in the description section (which is very odd to me, but that's part of the compromise version), a section about "the action or process of making a copy of something" called "Reproductions" seems entirely reasonable. You're reading this in a way quite different from me. ] (]) 19:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:Don't have much time to reply, but no, the normal outline for books or films is plot or synopsis first. Go look at any article at ] if you don't believe me. Similarly, if you want to have a look for pther sections titled "Reproductions", "Adaptations", or similar, but which doesn't contain a list of other derivative works, let me know. ] (]) 21:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::That's super interesting. It looks like the style I'm talking about (], for example, and there's lots more like that from around 2016 and before) was changed sometime in 2018 to 2019. I was away from Misplaced Pages from Feb. 2016 to Feb. 2019. When they said I was old school, I didn't think they meant literally. ] (]) 22:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:::A few more variations from the archives: , , , , , , , , . That's just a few, there's a lot of FAs where the composition, design, or description come later in the article. As for films and novels in general, it looks like your position is primary, but there are secondary examples where films and books use the synopsis later, but that may have fallen out of fashion, I don't know. ] (]) 22:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
{{outdent|:::}} I moved the description to the top over at '']''. Let me know if that satisfies your concern. ] (]) 22:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:I also altered the hook per ]'s previous concerns about my use of wikivoice. ] (]) 22:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::I'm happy to change it further if you dislike the wording. ] (]) 22:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Likewise, I moved the description to the top over at '']''.. Let me know if there's anything else. ] (]) 22:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'm not particularly interested into getting into an extended back-and-forth on this matter—I prefer that articles hew closer to the MOS, but this isn't a GA or FA review so I won't comment further. ] (]) 12:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

== GA Assessment ==

Hello @], hope you're doing well. Could you please have a look at the ] article and confirm if it meets GA criteria or needs an assessment? Thanks in advance.-]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 13:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:Looks generally good, aside from some duplication and ] I have resolved, and some {{cn}} tags which you can ], {{u|25 Cents FC}}. ] (]) 13:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you so much. -]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 13:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

== Magadhan Empire ==

I have been seeing you falsely classifying Magadhan Empire as a psuedo nationlist idea, here i will provide sources for it.

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=kNriDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22first+indian+empire%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibtdaG1_KJAxU6a_UHHePNDYQQ6AF6BAgHEAM#v=onepage&q=%22first%20indian%20empire%22&f=false this book is primarily about it. ] (]) 16:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:No, that book is about the Nandas and the Mauryas, {{u|JingJongPascal}}, as you can see from the title, which is not "Age of the Magadhan Empire". See the difference? ] (]) 17:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::@], maybe consider actually reading the index of the box for God's sake. ] (]) 17:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:::...is that something you usually do? Normally the last section of the book is the last section I look at. Regardless, I can't access it. ] (]) 20:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

== Question ==

Mind if i can ask why u keep updating and removing my sciort of mongol invasions and conquests??? ] (]) 20:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:See the article talk page, {{u|Shadow. 547}}. ] (]) 21:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for helping Jen, and me with the DYK placement for 26 Dec! - ] it's a great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. She may be a candidate for the next women in green round. Remind me then to ''not'' go to DYK. It's such a rare if not unique thing to be Fricka and Brünnhilde in the same production, but I know who would not see that, and might suggest to only say that she never wanted to become an opera singer. 10 years earlier than the Christmas Oratorio, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! -- ] (]) 22:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:You're welcome for both ]. Sadly the prospect of the fabled white Christmas seems to be vanishing here (as it always does) but still, even for us who don't believe, much revelry and celebration of the year await. Hope you will enjoy similarly! ] (]) 23:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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DYK: Cherry on Top (Bini song)

Hi, AirshipJungleman29 May I request to change the DYK that you promoted on my nom Cherry on Top (Bini song)ALT2 to ALT1? I added on the article and do you think can work that? Thank you.

ALT 1:... that Cherry on Top was featured on the halftime show of NBA by the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team of Los Angeles Clippers? Royiswariii Talk! 16:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Royiswariii, I don't think this hook is more interesting to an international audience than the current choice. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

nomination

I have nominated History of Christianity - again - please take a look and criticize at will. Here: Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/History of Christianity/archive2 Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks Red-tailed hawk! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

The Horde

So, since I’m probably not the best at uploading pictures, maybe you could upload one of the Horde, onto the Horde, because apparently I didn’t provide enough information for the last Horde picture I took. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, was that you who added all those citations and extended the Horde, if it was, thank you, if it wasn’t, it is still okay Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
It was me, yes Yuanmongolempiredynasty. Good work on expanding the sentences on the final chapter. You need to upload the book cover to Misplaced Pages, not Wikimedia Commons. Commons only accepts free images, and a book cover is copyrighted. If you click the "upload file" button on your screen, that'll do. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Ok. Does the Horde cover have copyright? It will not let me upload it and I don’t know why, I provided a bunch of information Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 12:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, it is copyrighted Yuanmongolempiredynasty. If you have trouble uploading, you can make a request at WP:FFU. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
So, I added the Horde cover to the article and finished up the chapter stuff by concluding it with the Epilogue, and I was thinking maybe I could make like a sort of picture thing, because their are some really cool black-and-white drawings and maps in the book, that I would like to note. I for one wanted to know your opinion, and, would like to see your opinion of the pictures. Although I couldn’t get the pictures, I hope you can find them and give me your opinion, I don’t know if they has copyright on them, but I do know that the pictures are from long ago. So, please give me your opinion and check them out. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 21:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
All maps will be copyrighted and totally unusable on Misplaced Pages. Which pages are the images on Yuanmongolempiredynasty? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, there are a lot of pages the pictures are on, there is page 301, which shows the 1480 stand on the Ugra River between Grand Prince Ivan IV and Ahmad Khan. If you mean web pages, I have no idea, I couldn’t get them because there was not a single website I could find on them, and taking pictures with a book and iPad in your hand is very hard. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 22:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
That one is already on Misplaced Pages—see File:Facial Chronicle - b.16, p. 462 - Great standing on the Ugra.jpg. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, maybe try a circa 1300, “Khurasan Anushirvan Orders the Execution of Mazdak and his followers” Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 22:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Page? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 22:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Not an answer... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
All I wanted to ask you is your opinion on whether or not I should make a picture section describing the pictures in the Horde, on The Horde: How the Mongols Changed the World Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 23:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
No, because the pictures in the book are merely illustrative and not a major subject of what the book is above. If it was a book about the art and architecture of the Horde, images would be more helpful. In any case, galleries of image are usually discouraged; see WP:GALLERY. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Kitakagaya Station

So, I saw this article that is called Kitakagaya Station, could you check it out and see if it should be draftified, because there are zero citations, no references, and 2 websites in Japanese. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Yuanmongolempiredynasty, for questions like this, it is better to ping me on the talkpage of the article, so other interested editors (if there are any) can have their say. In this case, draftifying is not appropriate since the article is more than 90 days old. For more information see WP:DRAFTIFY. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

History of Christianity

First, thank you. I am totally blown away by your edits. I don't want to let you and all your good work down, but I have now withdrawn the nomination. I wish I could think like you, but I just can't, so the chances of me ever fixing this are pretty low. I am all about the tiny points - a sickness evident in all those in my academic field. I should only write on tiny topics. :-) I am so deeply grateful to you, and I genuinely admire your skill and the person you are, kind and helpful to others. I don't know what I could ever do for you, but if you ever need a favor, please ask. Thank you again, Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I started editing the article after the nomination was withdrawn Jenhawk777. What I'll do is I'll copyedit and trim the entire article to focus on the key points, and identify areas that need some detailing that have been skipped over. Then you may have a chance. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I just sat down and cried for a bit. I hardly know what to say. Let me know what's been skipped so that I can research for you. I can do that. Would you be willing to be a joint nominator when you're done? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Am I allowed any objections? The paragraph in Early Christianity that starts out "Beginning with less than 1000 people..." and ends with a sentence on Paul makes it sound as if Paul was the only missionary, and it says nothing of Christianity's spread outside the Roman Empire. Won't that make it harder to explain it becoming a state religion in Armenia etc. in the fourth century? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
You removed this earlier as uncited, but Bundy has this on page 118: "...Christians came to live in most areas of Asia, including what is now eastern Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia, China, Pakistan, the Arabian peninsula, Soqotra, the Persian Gulf and India." These are also discussed in more detail from page 135 on. And this: "Christian texts and peoples were scattered throughout Asia and parts of non-Latin/Greek-speaking Eastern Africa by the beginning of the fourth century." on page 120. I'll check Wilken on the archive if I can and get back to you here. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I see the problem. Bundy is Late Antiquity. What's needed is Trombley, from volume 1, chapter 16. He says there is evidence of pre-fourth century Christianity in "Rome, ... Asia Minor, in Roman Africa and possibly at Syracuse in Sicily." (page 302) in Syria on page 303, along the Euphrates and into Numidia, (p.304}. I have no idea where that is. Egypt is on page 305, Gaul and Spain are on page 307, Britain is also mentioned at the bottom of 307-308. Africa is discussed on page 308. This might be usable: "Christianity expanded more quickly in the eastern Mediterranean coastal cities, and soon penetrated the hinterlands of Asia Minor... Galatia, Lydia and Phrygia, and further east in Cappadocia and Pontus. This culminated in the acceptance of Christianity by the semi- autonomous princes of Armenia in 314."(308) There's a whole long list of cities on pages 308 - 309. All of this is no doubt too much detail, but one sentence you might want is from age 309: "Christians seem to have been a tiny minority in most Mediterranean towns c.300..."
This is the reference but I won't put it in until you tell me if you want to use any of this.
  • Trombley, Frank (2006). "Overview: the geographical spread of Christianity". In Mitchell, Margaret M.; Young, Francis M. (eds.). The Cambridge History of Christianity. Vol. 1. Cambridge University Press. pp. 302–313. doi:10.1017/CHOL9780521812443. ISBN 978-1-139-05413-3.

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Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Am I being too enthusiastic? I can back off if you need me to. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
The sentence I removed as uncited was uncited; if it was missing a source you meant to include, feel free to add it back in, and we will work it back on. Generally speaking though, if we get bogged down in what should be included, we will never get anywhere in this trimming stage. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I will try to have a little dignity and not act like an untrained puppy whose owner has just arrived home. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

It's fine Jen, I know you. I will be updating the section on the talk page with stuff that needs more explanation instead of being dropped into the text without warning later; would it satisfy your desire to add stuff if you focused on adding what I put there? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
LOL. :-) It will certainly help me cope. Thank you. Your edits take my breath away! I do recognize art when I see it though. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

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Airship, the WikiCup champion, thank you for all of the content you contributed over the past year. Thank you (again!) for Hö'elün, but also thank you for Genghis Khan. Writing content is one thing, but there is a reason WP:MILLION awards are given out. From one penguin to another, happy holidays and best in 2025! HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, HouseBlaster Best wishes for you too! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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December music

story · music · places

Thank you for helping Jen, and me with the DYK placement for 26 Dec! - Today it's a great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. She may be a candidate for the next women in green round. Remind me then to not go to DYK. It's such a rare if not unique thing to be Fricka and Brünnhilde in the same production, but I know who would not see that, and might suggest to only say that she never wanted to become an opera singer. 10 years earlier than the Christmas Oratorio, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome for both Gerda. Sadly the prospect of the fabled white Christmas seems to be vanishing here (as it always does) but still, even for us who don't believe, much revelry and celebration of the year await. Hope you will enjoy similarly! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)