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many new reliable sources have been added to sections to provide clear WP:SIGCOV but need to be structured properly into the References section rather than the further reading section with inline citations added to the biography section to them. Shakir Pichler shouldn't have to be punished with an AFK deletion/redirection decision due to the person editing the pages argumentative comments who will no longer be editing his page ever again. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.211.83.46 (talk • contribs)

• Endorse and speedy close. Looks like Ponyo re-redirected and semi-protected recently after the IP had contravened OwenX's closure of the deletion discussion as redirection. There appears to be conduct--COI and sockpuppetry--issues surrounding this, so I suggest we do absolutely nothing other than offer to educate the COI IP editor: either a clue will be obtained, or a block will, I suspect. Jclemens (talk) 06:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Considerable efforts have been made to educate the appellant, and multiple blocks issued to socks and IPs she's used. This is a SPA who doesn't care about policies or guidelines, and will continue her attempts to restore the article regardless of how we handle this. Technically, the appellant is still banned, but since I'm involved, it would be improper for me to block the IP in the midst of a DRV against me. Owen× ☎ 13:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  I totally understand your grievances with how I handled the AFD but I've never had one before and at the time, I didn't realise I was 'sockpuppeting' or what that even was. Therefore, I have informed you that there is now that there is a lot of credible references added to provide a good wikipedia entry which was the trigger for the afd to begin with and I am VERY happy to never EVER edit a wiki article again in my life, but as mentioned, I think it's extremely unfair that Shakir Pichler is punished for how I handled things.

  I honestly wasn't trying to deceive and I thought my role was to in fact argue and try to correct points of contention.

  And I honestly thought my user account was banned and not me personally, which was later explained.

  My heart was in the right place, just my skillset wasn't.

  Would be great if someone looked at the revision with the new links etc added just before afd closed and structured it better or allowed Shakir to find a good editor to take control of the page properly.

  I do apologise for my handling of the case but again Shakir Pichler shouldn't be punished for my mess-up. If any consolation, he has blocked me too! But Id like to make this right please as I feel terrible. 157.211.83.46 (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Endorse Redirect was a reasonable reading of that discussion if you ignore all of the involved editing, and while there's a chance he's notable there's nothing in the sources which makes me think redirecting this was a clear mistake. SportingFlyer T·C 19:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy Endorse - The appellant admits that they are a blocked user. The close was reasonable, but we should not even be considering the close unless an appeal is made by a good-faith editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

  again, why should the subject suffer the actions of the original editor though? seems unfair. 157.211.83.46 (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)