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== Notification of RfC: Voluntary RfA after resignation ==
== ] is now policy ==


There is an RfC on seeking tools via a voluntary RfA after resignation at {{slink|Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)|RfC: Voluntary RfA after resignation}}. ] (]/]) 21:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
After ], ] is now a policy. The procedure is as adopted by the ]. Some questions remain, which may be discussed at the policy's talk page. ] (]) 18:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
:And we already have the first petition. In one fish's opinion, it is evidence that I was right to oppose this becoming policy, and it's too bad that consensus was against me. --] (]) 22:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
:Shouldn't there be something about RECALL and RRFA added to the main RFA page? I don't even think there are links to those pages in ]. It seems that there's should be something about them given that the process has already started to be used. -- ] (]) 05:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
::So, looking at it from a critical position: This "Policy" was enacted by a very quiet RFA, which was not well publicized, with a maximum of 37 support votes. That's too few to elect a single admin. The linking is now not very good, in keeping with submarining a policy into the wikipedia core. I'm not suggesting that this was the intention, but this is how it can look. I have a concrete suggestion: Let this "policy" stand for RFA, and be !voted on, plus or minus. If it reaches at least 70%, with at least 100 !votes, it will have a solid standing. ] (]) 07:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|AKAF}} See ] for a discussion of similar issues. &ndash;&#8239;]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 08:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Realistically at this point, I think we are stuck with this for a while. We will need to see how the initial implementation of the process works out. And then, rather than relitigating whether or not this ''should'' have been enacted, will will likely have an RfC on whether to revoke it. --] (]) 19:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:The recall process needs more visibility, including one ongoing. How about watchlists? And ]? ] (]) 18:56, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::I think that would be reasonable, considering that RfAs are advertised on both venues. ] ] 19:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I think this is something that should be discussed and figured out prior to another recall, not during an ongoing one. But that also leads me back to the idea that 25 is too few signatories since so many more people will become aware if it's advertised at those locations. ] (]) 19:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm not saying go do this now, but it's probably something that should be discussed at the reworkshop if it hasn't been already. Even in my RfC, there have been recurring comments of "only if it's more well advertised". ] ] 19:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Regardless of whether this is "policy" or "process", it's something already in play; so, trying to change it in some significant way while there are active recall petitions playing out seems like a really bad idea, and might also be seen as being unfair. The possibility that there will always be at least one recall position active at any given time or which can be started at any given time should be assumed, which means a moratorium on new ones should be enacted if and when it's determined things need to be changed. You don't need to go back and retroactively apply any said changes to petitions that have already run their course, but you shouldn't by trying to significantly change things mid-stream. -- ] (]) 21:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::As I said, {{tq|I'm not saying go do this now}}. One RfC is all the stomach I have for trying to change things as they happen. Anyways, since I didn't link it in my previous comment, I was talking about ]. Might as well do my part to make that more advertised. ] ] 21:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Clovermoss}} FWIW, my post wasn't specifically directed at you as in "I think you need to do this"; it was intended to be taken in a more general sense as in "I think this should be done". When I used "you", I didn't mean you specifically but rather you collectively. -- ] (]) 12:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, thanks for clearing that up. ] ] 17:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::I think the re-confirmation RFAs will be advertised using watchlist notices and T:CENT. I don't think it's a good idea to also advertise the recall petitions. The drama and stress for the candidates at these recall petitions is already way past what I would consider comfortable. Further marketing would only make it worse. –] <small>(])</small> 22:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I agree. A recall petition doesn't need more attention from editors who wouldn't have found it on their own in the course of an entire month. That's just asking for participation from people who have zero clue what's actually happening but think pile-ons are fun. ] (]) 12:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


== Odd patterns ==
== Support percentage and colors ==


The currently open RfA (]) has unanimous support votes (201/0/0 as of last check). I can observe that such unanimous supported RfAs are often for indviduals who have an ''exceptional'' track in copyright matters, if I remember correctly, since this area tends to be understaffed when it comes to admin capacity, as is the case with the subject of the RfA. Furthermore, for some reason, co nominations tend to be successful and self nominations tend to be unsuccessful (through means of withdrawal, ] e.g ], or ] e.g. ]). These are a few patterns that I could find at RfAs, but I do not see a reason for the latter (co noms better than self noms). ] (]) 20:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Graham87's ] support currently stands at 54%, which would, under the RRfA criterion, put it in the middle of the discretionary threshold. However, it is shown in bright orange (and has been since coming below the regular RfA discretionary threshold). Should the colors be adjusted for RRfA, to match the different threshold? ] (] · ]) 15:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:All ill consider RfAs - i.e., someone ignoring all the guidance - are always self nominees. That alone would create a bias towards self nominations being less successful. The other reason is, perhaps, that !voters can't be bothered to review the track record of most candidates so for self noms will either tend to not !vote at all, or if they do !vote oppose, but will happily trust nominators and support. But without surveying !voters, who can say for sure. ] (]) 21:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would say yes, that would make sense and I can't see any reason we wouldn't do that. No clue how easy to impliment that would be, however. ] ] 15:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC) ::I'd say that when the person is qualified and happens to self-nom, they tend to pass. Some relatively recent examples include me, Spicy, and 0xDeadbeef. ] ] 06:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Why, self-noms are "prima facie evidence of power hunger", of course! /j ] (]) 11:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Just checked and it was indeed implemented by ] a few hours ago at ] – missed it earlier, but Graham going back up to 55% makes it more visible. ] (] · ]) 15:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:Let me put it differently: If a respected user nominated someone for RfA and that RfA ended as NOTNOW, it means that something went seriously wrong, most likely the nominator did not make proper research. Most nominators do, or at least attempt to do proper research, this is why NOTNOW RfAs tend to be self-nom. ] (]) 11:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Problem solved! ] ] 15:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Most of the credit goes to {{u|Theleekycauldron}} for implementing RRFA support in the template. I just adjusted the color range. – ] (]) 15:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC) :Nominators also serve as coaches. They often tell the candidates if and when they should run or not run, and provide other very useful advice during the process, helping to avoid common missteps. A respected nominator can also provide a boost in supports, due to folks trusting the nominator. –] <small>(])</small> 17:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Don't worry, it won't stay orange for long. ]'']'' 17:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:<s>Told ya :) </s> ]'']'' 10:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::c'mon, man, too soon :( ] (] • she/her) 11:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::About ] :) but OK, I withdraw my colour analysis. ]'']'' 11:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
* while we are at it, what about adding it to "recent RfAs", or " RRFA"? —usernamekiran ] 12:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

== A slew of new administrators ==

Wonderful to see the process that has been implemented recently has resulted in a bunch of editors volunteering or being nominated for adminship and that process resulting in success. Great to see progress on a point that has been of contention for years. Wish I could issue a group Barnstar! <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span>🍁 00:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:Yet we have lost and are still losing vastly experienced admins at the same time! ]] 09:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
:I sincerely hope that the new ones will be able to take the flak that some of us have been getting for years. ] (]) 09:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, so far I agree the "admin elections" trial was a success. Now we just need a next round of elections... —] (]) 09:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
::I recommend that some of the candidates who didn't quite make it in the first round of group elections to try again. I congratulate and welcome this new batch. I think that there were just too many candidates for anyone but the most dedicated nerds among us to evaluate thoroughly. A group of ten to 12 seems manageable to me. Thirty plus? Not so much. ] (]) 10:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
:::On the note of the next round, the ] for a slate of RfCs to tweak the rules is slowing down, and while the wording for most is becoming clear, some could use more input. For instance, I've not had feedback on my suggestion to ] to avoid complex interdependencies. ] (]) 10:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I, too, see this as a very good thing, one of the few bright spots to come out of RfA 2024. I just hope that it doesn't get negated by administrator recall. --] (]) 21:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
:Well, maybe we should reserve judgement on that until we hear from the people who were just below the cutoff, let's not presume that this is so wonderful for them :) --] (]) 22:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
::There is actually some of that at ]. --] (]) 22:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

==Admin project pages==
Hello. I was just wondering if ] and ] should include admin candidates who went through the election system. The page doesn't specify that it's for RfA only and it would make sense to include all successful and unsuccessful admin candidates here and in the chronological lists as well. However, since the main pages are not edited frequently, I assume that they are populated by a template so we'd have to make sure that it was plugged into the administrative election list. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

== Notification of RfC: Voluntary RfA after resignation ==

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    Notification of RfC: Voluntary RfA after resignation

    There is an RfC on seeking tools via a voluntary RfA after resignation at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) § RfC: Voluntary RfA after resignation. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

    Odd patterns

    The currently open RfA (Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Sennecaster) has unanimous support votes (201/0/0 as of last check). I can observe that such unanimous supported RfAs are often for indviduals who have an exceptional track in copyright matters, if I remember correctly, since this area tends to be understaffed when it comes to admin capacity, as is the case with the subject of the RfA. Furthermore, for some reason, co nominations tend to be successful and self nominations tend to be unsuccessful (through means of withdrawal, WP:NOTNOW e.g wp:Requests for adminship/ToadetteEdit, or wp:SNOW e.g. wp:Requests for adminship/Numberguy6). These are a few patterns that I could find at RfAs, but I do not see a reason for the latter (co noms better than self noms). ToadetteEdit (talk) 20:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    All ill consider RfAs - i.e., someone ignoring all the guidance - are always self nominees. That alone would create a bias towards self nominations being less successful. The other reason is, perhaps, that !voters can't be bothered to review the track record of most candidates so for self noms will either tend to not !vote at all, or if they do !vote oppose, but will happily trust nominators and support. But without surveying !voters, who can say for sure. MarcGarver (talk) 21:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'd say that when the person is qualified and happens to self-nom, they tend to pass. Some relatively recent examples include me, Spicy, and 0xDeadbeef. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Why, self-noms are "prima facie evidence of power hunger", of course! /j GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 11:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Let me put it differently: If a respected user nominated someone for RfA and that RfA ended as NOTNOW, it means that something went seriously wrong, most likely the nominator did not make proper research. Most nominators do, or at least attempt to do proper research, this is why NOTNOW RfAs tend to be self-nom. Ymblanter (talk) 11:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
    Nominators also serve as coaches. They often tell the candidates if and when they should run or not run, and provide other very useful advice during the process, helping to avoid common missteps. A respected nominator can also provide a boost in supports, due to folks trusting the nominator. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)